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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2006 10:49:46 GMT -5
Here's a little tidbit I haven't seen mentioned. While Eko quoted the 23rd Psalm, I heard one phrase that differs from the actual text. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death" in the original became "Yea, though I walk through the shadow of the valley of death". I doubt if they'd quote everything perfectly except for that one twist unless they meant to. And, given Eko's stare-down of the shadow monster, walking through the "shadow of the valley of death" seemed very appropriate. Oh, cool! The Valley of Death = The Island of the Lost? Are Locke, Charlie and Mr. Eko the only 3 people on the island (that we have been shown) who have seen the Shadow and survived? And what was with the explosions right before its appearance?
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2006 10:50:30 GMT -5
The very same. Bet Locke has a hard time picking out a card on Father's Day. I'd hate to be the Hallmark writer working on that sentiment: "Dad, You've always been to me a miserable, prevaricating puddle of organ-stealing crap..." Found one in our local Hallmark.... "I didn't know my dad when I was just a kid, he Left me high and dry. But then had a bum kidney. He wined me and he dined me and made me think he cared. He took me out bird hunting, and then the old man dared To con me into giving the organ that he needed. He shunned me once again, my stalking went unheeded. So on this Father's Day, I tell you Daddy Dear. I hope a flaming railroad tie gets driven up your rear!" Aw. That one always makes me cry.
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2006 10:56:20 GMT -5
Okay - my power went out - kicking off my taping so by the time I got home - I only was able to see half the episode. It started during the trek with Charlie. Could someone fill me in on the first half. So far I gather - Mr. Eko - was a bad guy (which I am not surprised at all) who assumed the role of a priest after his brother - who really was a priest - saved him from going on board the Virgin Mary carrying heroin plane. Why was Charlie trekking with Mr. Eko? Claire threw him out of the tent - I gather she discovered the heroin? But meanwhile - Charlie has been stashing the heroin? Were we given any indications he has taken any? The monster is a swirly smoky thing that couldn't handle the Eko glare of doom. Kate gave Sawyer a haircut - I gather I missed that. Any fun dialogue there? Walt is chatting with Michael (maybe) and has a plan to go get him? Everybody did the whole musical montage of making nice at the end. Bummer about the power outage, Pixi! See my avatar quote for one line Kate said to Sawyer when she was cutting his hair and he was protesting that he could cut it himself. During that scene, many people, (Hurley, Michael) came up and welcomed Sawyer back. Jack came up at the end of the haircut and interrupted the Kate/Sawyer flirtage - gave Sawyer his antibiotics. We didn't get to see much of the message *Walt* typed to Michael - again, Jack interrupted, and at the point where Michael was reading Walt's reply, so it looked like he didn't get to read it - or maybe we just didn't get to.
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Post by Pixi on Jan 12, 2006 11:09:53 GMT -5
Okay - my power went out - kicking off my taping so by the time I got home - I only was able to see half the episode. It started during the trek with Charlie. Could someone fill me in on the first half. So far I gather - Mr. Eko - was a bad guy (which I am not surprised at all) who assumed the role of a priest after his brother - who really was a priest - saved him from going on board the Virgin Mary carrying heroin plane. Why was Charlie trekking with Mr. Eko? Claire threw him out of the tent - I gather she discovered the heroin? But meanwhile - Charlie has been stashing the heroin? Were we given any indications he has taken any? The monster is a swirly smoky thing that couldn't handle the Eko glare of doom. Kate gave Sawyer a haircut - I gather I missed that. Any fun dialogue there? Walt is chatting with Michael (maybe) and has a plan to go get him? Everybody did the whole musical montage of making nice at the end. The show started with a scene of Eko's brother (as a kid, 10-ish) being handed a gun by some baddies (who had driven up to carry off the kids from their village) and being told to shoot an old man. The chief baddie kept yelling at the brother, who wouldn't pull the trigger. Finally, Eko ran up (wearing the cross necklace) and grabs the gun from his brother and shoots the old man. No doubt he was motivated out of fear that the baddie would eventually strafe his brother if he failed to carry out the execution. But, the bad guy's impressed and takes Eko from his village. Claire casually mentioned to Eko how religious Charlie was, how he carried around a statue of the Virgin Mary all the time. Eko asked to see the statue, then smashed it with his stick, exposing the heroin to Claire. At this point, he runs down Charlie and demands Charlie take him to where he discovered the plane. Charlie finally caves under Eko's glare o' doom and they start the trek together. Eko's brother got shot and was more or less dragged/thrown onto the plane. It was one of Eko's henchmen who barred Eko from getting on, for whatever reason. Can't remember any specific haircut dialogue. They were joking around about it some. At this point, I think Charlie's hoarding heroin as kind of a security blanket. There was no specific indication that he's using it. Walt and Michael shared a chat on the Dharma board. I think Walt's last typed line was "You need to come...." At which point Jack walked up and interrupted and nothing more was seen. Beyond that, you'll have to depend on the memories of other S'cubies or TWOP. Thanks Sharky. That catches me up perfectly.
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Post by Pixi on Jan 12, 2006 11:11:30 GMT -5
Okay - my power went out - kicking off my taping so by the time I got home - I only was able to see half the episode. It started during the trek with Charlie. Could someone fill me in on the first half. So far I gather - Mr. Eko - was a bad guy (which I am not surprised at all) who assumed the role of a priest after his brother - who really was a priest - saved him from going on board the Virgin Mary carrying heroin plane. Why was Charlie trekking with Mr. Eko? Claire threw him out of the tent - I gather she discovered the heroin? But meanwhile - Charlie has been stashing the heroin? Were we given any indications he has taken any? The monster is a swirly smoky thing that couldn't handle the Eko glare of doom. Kate gave Sawyer a haircut - I gather I missed that. Any fun dialogue there? Walt is chatting with Michael (maybe) and has a plan to go get him? Everybody did the whole musical montage of making nice at the end. Bummer about the power outage, Pixi! See my avatar quote for one line Kate said to Sawyer when she was cutting his hair and he was protesting that he could cut it himself. During that scene, many people, (Hurley, Michael) came up and welcomed Sawyer back. Jack came up at the end of the haircut and interrupted the Kate/Sawyer flirtage - gave Sawyer his antibiotics. We didn't get to see much of the message *Walt* typed to Michael - again, Jack interrupted, and at the point where Michael was reading Walt's reply, so it looked like he didn't get to read it - or maybe we just didn't get to. I know. I was just kind of walking into the house, starting dinner, organizing pixikins and I glance over at the tv and go ack - it's not taping! So I frantically rushed over and pushed the tape button but by then it was 9:30. Thanks for the Sawyer info.
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Post by Karen on Jan 12, 2006 11:17:49 GMT -5
Walt and Michael shared a chat on the Dharma board. I think Walt's last typed line was " You need to come...." At which point Jack walked up and interrupted and nothing more was seen. The text I saw was "You need to con...."
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Post by fish1941 on Jan 12, 2006 11:22:55 GMT -5
I don't know what to say about this episode, other than I found it very fascinating.
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Post by Sharky on Jan 12, 2006 11:25:31 GMT -5
Walt and Michael shared a chat on the Dharma board. I think Walt's last typed line was " You need to come...." At which point Jack walked up and interrupted and nothing more was seen. The text I saw was "You need to con...." That could well be. My mind may have converted the "con" to "come", or it may be the discussion I had with the family on "what did that say?" may have biased me toward "come". Can't say with certainty.
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Post by Sue on Jan 12, 2006 11:26:17 GMT -5
Haven't read all the posts (sorry). In fact, haven't really been keeping up carefully with LOST (watching, but not discussing).
But I found last night's ep interesting. I "like" (am intrigued, drawn in by) Eko's character far more than either Jack or Sawyer.
Re the smoke monster. Interesting. Would never have predicted that. So---definitely supernatural. Explains the smoke they've seen?
I'm going with EVIL smoke monster (ESM)---black, creepy, etc.
So, if it's evil did it turn away from Eko because: a) he's even eviler? i.e. "my evil is bigger and badder than your evil so get out of my face" b) he's even eviler and the ESM prefers to prey on the weak and innocent? c) after deciding to "become" a priest he did in fact at some point experience true conversion and the ESM recognized (and fled from) true goodness?
33 episodes in and we have a boatload of loose threads. Carolyn not sure she trusts JJ to tie them up. (Claims his style is to just keep introducing more and more outrageous elements but not so good at playing them out...? I wouldn't know.)
We have: The Others -- who apparently have Walt and the other children and some of the other adults. Are they connected to the bunkers? Are they connected to the smoke? Do they serve it? Worship it? Feed it? Create it---thru their own voodoo magic or evil thoughts?
The French woman
The bunker guy
The whole, bizarre bunker situation
The countdown
The computer
The person on the other end of Michael's IM's (is it Walt or one of the others mentioned above or someone new or "HAL"?)
The various survivors and their backstories
The various survivors and their current stories and entanglements
The polar bear?
The ESM
Oh yeah, the numbers
The fact that all the characters seem to have somehow interacted in the past and were also "predestined" to be on the plane---i.e. all of their destinies are tied up together and they've been brought to the island for a purpose.
Whose purpose? The island's purpose? Can the ESM or the island somehow reach out into the wider world and manipulate people and "choose" people to be come to it and be stranded. Pretty powerful and very supernatural.
Claire's baby
Is the ESM able to actually physically attack? (recall the pilot)
Are any of the above connected? How? Will we ever know?
Is the ESM responsible for the manifestations like Jack's dad and Kate's horse? Why? Or are the result of some other supernatural force? a good one?
I mention a possible good force because "good" things also seem to happen to the survivors, but then they get twisted somehow:
Charlie kicked his habit....then found more cocaine
Locke can walk...but is wierdly mystic
Michael got close to Walt...
Kate escaped prison...
Hurley won the money...
Sun and Jin are reunited
etc, etc, etc,
Is the island leading them to something good? Playing out some epic struggle of good vs evil thru our characters? Just evil but there is some sort of over-arching "balance" in the universe at large which compensates and brings some good out of evil. Or is it evil out of good.
Where is the exploding head icon?
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Post by Sharky on Jan 12, 2006 11:29:23 GMT -5
I don't know what to say about this episode, other than I found it very fascinating. It was, wasn't it? To my memory, that's the first lingering shot we've ever had of the shadow monster, for one thing. Eko's backstory was interesting, which isn't always the case. Charlie got something to do. The only thing about Lost is it's like playing chess by mail. All those pieces, and so long between moves....
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Post by Sharky on Jan 12, 2006 11:33:27 GMT -5
Re the smoke monster. Interesting. Would never have predicted that. So---definitely supernatural. Explains the smoke they've seen? I'm going with EVIL smoke monster (ESM)---black, creepy, etc. I dunno. Could be an example of Clarke's 3rd Law, which (possibly paraphrased) is "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Plus, your description of ESM could match Eko at points of last night's episode. He definitely moved through a "black, creepy, etc." period. Kept the black, but seems to have gone beyond the other for now.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Jan 12, 2006 11:52:03 GMT -5
It was a better episode than we've had lately, I'll say that. I think that they made a mistake showing us the evil smoke monster so clearly - it looked mechanical. Maybe that's the point; it's a Dharma machine?
Eko is an interesting character. That's quite a backstory he has, but I'd still like to know how he wound up on a flight from Australia.
After Eko looked into the face of the island, and scared it away, I said to Paul,"I said it was the Id Monster, didn't I?". To which Paul replied, re Eko, "Some people don't have one." Eko's one scary dude.
Interesting parallels and contrasts with Locke and Eko - Locke looked into the face of the island and found it beautiful, Eko looked into the face of the island and sent it fleeing.
That's all I have; pretty much anything else has already been covered.
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Post by fish1941 on Jan 12, 2006 12:21:14 GMT -5
I cannot help but wonder why so many fans are going on about Michael going psycho or losing it? He had lost his son. His son had been snatched from him. How do people expect him to react? By being calm about the whole matter? Of course not! Since when are people reasonable about the loss of a loved one . . . especially a child?
It's nice to see Jin and Sun trying to open up to Ana-Lucia. And judging from her reaction, their efforts might succeed. And it's only right that they would be the ones to approach her. Both had been estranged from the other Lostaways during their early days on the island. And Jin had especially been vilified not only by the characters, but by many fans during most of Season 1.
Hurley and Libby - why are so many declaring this a great romance when we haven't seen the two in action, yet? And personally, I don't see the chemistry.
Mr. Eko - he is just as fascinating as ever. I now realize that when he was discussing Moses and Aaron with Claire, he may have been thinking of his own past experiences with his younger brother. I'm not really surprised that he had a dark past. I had suspected that he used to be a warlord, but I had no idea that he had originally been forced into the life (although he could have walked away a lot earlier once he was old enough to do so). Nor did I suspect that his brother's body would end up on the plane. Mr. Eko has faced his past and dark deeds. Now, I wonder if he will tell anyone. And from what I've seen, hardly any of the Lostaways have been completely forthcoming about their sins.
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie (shakes head and sighs). It looks as if he's about to descend upon a dark road again.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jan 12, 2006 13:14:44 GMT -5
I cannot help but wonder why so many fans are going on about Michael going psycho or losing it? He had lost his son. His son had been snatched from him. How do people expect him to react? By being calm about the whole matter? Of course not! Since when are people reasonable about the loss of a loved one . . . especially a child? Really - when a child has been kidnapped, or is missing to parts unknown, I would imagine that a calm, reasoned response is more than most parents could pull off. If you can manage less than complete, unreasoning panic, you're doing good. Agree on the prematurity of any "Hurley/Libby" connection. I thought there was a bit of a spark with Libby & Michael, though that's not based on much either. And yes - Charlie, Charlie, Charlie. When he started lying, well - that pretty much told the story.
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Post by RAKSHA on Jan 12, 2006 14:28:57 GMT -5
[shadow=lime green,left,300]HAPPY NEW YEAR belated! [/shadow]
Ooh, I loved the episode! Mistereko is one powerful man; and I think he'll become a major player among the Lostaways.
I wonder if the young Eko originally took the gun from his little brother's hand and shot the priest himself in order to keep Yemi from becoming a killer, as well as preventing the baddies from shooting the little boy - in this way, Eko took his brother's place for the first time. He took the path of darkness that was being forced upon Yemi, but, at that point, for the purest of reasons, and did succeed in saving his brother. Later, Yemi returns the favor, and when (I think), Eko eventually takes up the cross that his brother had worn (that the baddies had torn off Eko when they took him away), the circle is complete.
I would have liked to have known if Eko, after the flight of the beechcraft, became a priest in fact as well as on paper.
I wonder if Eko is being set up as a foil for Locke. Locke was abused by evil relatives and was hurt, and did not gain strength from it, then crashed on the island and regained the use of his legs and became a physically strong man again, but seems to have given his soul to the island and become, in his own mind at least, the Island's Prophet. Locke sacrificed Boone to follow the Island's sign (in his mind) in an effort to open the hatch. In contrast, Eko is a man who has been corrupted by evil in the past, has done evil himself, but has truly repented and become a good man prior to arriving on the Island. Eko's faith is strong, but it lies in God and in himself. He was dismayed when he killed the Other who had attack him, but dealt with it in his own way, and then was able to comfort Lucia and help Jin and Michael.
When Locke faced the monster, he became rapt, as if he were a prophet seeing a holy vision. He later referred to what he saw as 'beautiful'. Last night, Eko faced the monster and neither surrendered nor succumbed to it, nor thought it beautiful or holy; he drove it away. Locke could be a false prophet; Eko could be the true Man of Faith who does not deny Reason even while drawing on God for help. Of course, Eko believes in his own power; I think that Locke was still mired in despair when he boarded that plane...
And both Locke and Eko exposed Charlie to drugs in an effort to help him strengthen himself against them...
I had hoped that Claire might forgive Charlie and give him another chance, considering how his devotion to her had literally killed him, not to mention his care and love for her and Aaron.
GAIL
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