Maybe I should have - Shannon had sex, Shannon got shot, Ana-Lucia had sex, she got shot, Libby was going on a date which might lead to sex, Libby got shot... Unmarried woman has sex with partner not chosen by island=bad? Don't mind me, my mind is doing weird things again.
No, I made the same connection. Which makes me wonder how Locke and Boone really spent all their time out there in the jungle...
I sincerely hope the deaths were part of the original season arc, and not a network ploy to get rid of the actresses after their respective DUIs.
So, Michael has been brainwashed, or Michael has been got to (do what we say, and we'll give you back your son), or Michael isn't Michael, he's someone else entirely. Time to let Vincent (if it really is Vincent) sniff around.
Now, did Michael kill himself, wound himself to make it look like Henry shot up the hatch and escaped, shoot Henry, or just fire off a random shot so he and Henry could escape?
Henry-or-whoever-he-is is a right mixer. Locke is the right, or good, or whatever (I forget) one? I think Locke was chosen because he's the most gullible. The Force has a strong influence on the weak-minded.
If Angela Lansbury does a guest shot as Michael's mother, someone could be sued.
I, for one, don't think Libby is dead. Those bullets could have hit her anywhere.
For the moment, that's all I've got.
Greg noted that it appeared she was shot fairly low on her torso, almost around her hips, so it's entirely possible that no major organs were damaged. She was also holding the blankets, and while most likely not made of kevlar ( ) they could have staunched the bleeding enough to keep her alive.
There's also a possibillity that the blankets could be hiding a bottle of wine, or some other hard object that might deflect or slow down a bullet.
Rajesh: Why don't you just have Robert E. Lee charge the line with Shiva and Ganesh?
Howard: Shiva and Ganesh? The Hindu gods against the entire Union army?
Leonard: And orcs!
Rajesh: Excuse me: Ganesh is the removal of obstacles, and Shiva is the destroyer. When the smoke clears, Abraham Lincoln will be speaking Hindi and drinking mint juleps.
Maybe I should have - Shannon had sex, Shannon got shot, Ana-Lucia had sex, she got shot, Libby was going on a date which might lead to sex, Libby got shot... Unmarried woman has sex with partner not chosen by island=bad? Don't mind me, my mind is doing weird things again.
I sincerely hope the deaths were part of the original season arc, and not a network ploy to get rid of the actresses after their respective DUIs.
So, Michael has been brainwashed, or Michael has been got to (do what we say, and we'll give you back your son), or Michael isn't Michael, he's someone else entirely. Time to let Vincent (if it really is Vincent) sniff around.
Now, did Michael kill himself, wound himself to make it look like Henry shot up the hatch and escaped, shoot Henry, or just fire off a random shot so he and Henry could escape?
Henry-or-whoever-he-is is a right mixer. Locke is the right, or good, or whatever (I forget) one? I think Locke was chosen because he's the most gullible. The Force has a strong influence on the weak-minded.
I think that Michael's "Others" are the Clan of the Teddy Bear, and probably survivors of another wreck, and not part of the group run by Fake Beardy - that group are the ones running the lab experiments, and they took the children.
ABC stuck a Hanso ad into the commercials? Making us watch commercials, how evil of them - everyone knows commercials are when you get a cup of tea, or brush the cat.
Gotta go, Emily has to be at school early today for her AP exam.
I think it's more a case of "Shannon grew into her better self" and "Ana Lucia grew into her better self" They died in a state of spiritual health, so to speak: another reason I think Libby may not be dead: we did not see her transcendence.
A case can be made that Boone died after achieving a better mental state, too, I think, if I fanwank it some. Hmm.
Rajesh: Why don't you just have Robert E. Lee charge the line with Shiva and Ganesh?
Howard: Shiva and Ganesh? The Hindu gods against the entire Union army?
Leonard: And orcs!
Rajesh: Excuse me: Ganesh is the removal of obstacles, and Shiva is the destroyer. When the smoke clears, Abraham Lincoln will be speaking Hindi and drinking mint juleps.
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 4, 2006 12:50:07 GMT -5
mcamason said:
rubberbandwmn said:
Gotta say, I didn't see that ending coming.
Maybe I should have - Shannon had sex, Shannon got shot, Ana-Lucia had sex, she got shot, Libby was going on a date which might lead to sex, Libby got shot... Unmarried woman has sex with partner not chosen by island=bad? Don't mind me, my mind is doing weird things again.
I sincerely hope the deaths were part of the original season arc, and not a network ploy to get rid of the actresses after their respective DUIs.
So, Michael has been brainwashed, or Michael has been got to (do what we say, and we'll give you back your son), or Michael isn't Michael, he's someone else entirely. Time to let Vincent (if it really is Vincent) sniff around.
Now, did Michael kill himself, wound himself to make it look like Henry shot up the hatch and escaped, shoot Henry, or just fire off a random shot so he and Henry could escape?
Henry-or-whoever-he-is is a right mixer. Locke is the right, or good, or whatever (I forget) one? I think Locke was chosen because he's the most gullible. The Force has a strong influence on the weak-minded.
I think that Michael's "Others" are the Clan of the Teddy Bear, and probably survivors of another wreck, and not part of the group run by Fake Beardy - that group are the ones running the lab experiments, and they took the children.
ABC stuck a Hanso ad into the commercials? Making us watch commercials, how evil of them - everyone knows commercials are when you get a cup of tea, or brush the cat.
Gotta go, Emily has to be at school early today for her AP exam.
I think it's more a case of "Shannon grew into her better self" and "Ana Lucia grew into her better self" They died in a state of spiritual health, so to speak: another reason I think Libby may not be dead: we did not see her transcendence.
A case can be made that Boone died after achieving a better mental state, too, I think, if I fanwank it some. Hmm.
I'm not sure I see what you mean. Please, wank away.
"Because in this world, after everyone panics, there's always got to be someone to tip the wee out of the shoe."
I think it's more a case of "Shannon grew into her better self" and "Ana Lucia grew into her better self" They died in a state of spiritual health, so to speak: another reason I think Libby may not be dead: we did not see her transcendence.
A case can be made that Boone died after achieving a better mental state, too, I think, if I fanwank it some. Hmm.
I'm not sure I see what you mean. Please, wank away.
You'll have to give me a moment to review the episode where Boone had the plane fall on him, to see if there was a spiritual epiphany: or the part where he has the doc let him die... Shannon and Ana-Lucia both had "spiritual awakenings" before their deaths. I need to see if Boonie had a moment of grace before his last dance.
Rajesh: Why don't you just have Robert E. Lee charge the line with Shiva and Ganesh?
Howard: Shiva and Ganesh? The Hindu gods against the entire Union army?
Leonard: And orcs!
Rajesh: Excuse me: Ganesh is the removal of obstacles, and Shiva is the destroyer. When the smoke clears, Abraham Lincoln will be speaking Hindi and drinking mint juleps.
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 4, 2006 13:07:00 GMT -5
mcamason said:
rubberbandwmn said:
I'm not sure I see what you mean. Please, wank away.
You'll have to give me a moment to review the episode where Boone had the plane fall on him, to see if there was a spiritual epiphany: or the part where he has the doc let him die... Shannon and Ana-Lucia both had "spiritual awakenings" before their deaths. I need to see if Boonie had a moment of grace before his last dance.
What was Ana-Lucia's? "I can't do this" seemed more like she was exhausted and just gave up.
"Because in this world, after everyone panics, there's always got to be someone to tip the wee out of the shoe."
Did I miss part of the show? Where/when did we learn Michael's motives?
Spring, forget it. You're wasting your breath. I think we all know why Michael had killed her and framed Henry. This whole plotline reeks of amateur writing.
If I was Kate, I would be weeping too. You don't have to know people well to weep over shocking murders, committed by someone you had come to trust - especially when you are in extremely stressful circumstances.
Please do not insult my intelligence. I realize that you might be a fan of Kate's, but this is going too far. This was slopping writing of the worst kind. There has been no establishment of any emotional connection between Kate and Ana . . . aside from dislike, jealousy and mistrust. I can understand Kate being shocked, but reacting in overt grief over two women whom she barely knew or liked? Give me a break! This is obviously a ploy to ignore the fact that Kate disliked Ana, so that there wouldn't be any negative backlash from those fans who dislike Kate. How else would you explain the exchange of grins between two women who had clearly disliked each other and never became friends. This is bad writing . . . pure and simple.
I have just watched my last episode of LOST. It was nice knowing you guys.
"No man is an island..." Even if Kate hated Ana-Lucia's guts, A-L was a member of her tribe: a familiar face, and even if a sort of competitor for Jack's attention, she was an ally. Kate can kill, and has killed before, without remorse: but when someone died as a result of her actions, she showed great grief. If the previews are to be believed, AND her character hated A-L as much as you feel she did, she may be simply grieving over the fact that her "safe zone", her home, is not "safe" any more. I think it's more complex than that, in that she had adopted Ana-Lucia as a member of her tribe, just as surely as Michael, Sawyer, John, Charlie, Hurley, Sayid, and Jack are. She may not get along with some of them at some times, but death of those in your tribe, at the hands of the alien, is a rough thing.
I disagree: I thought Ana-Lucia was painted very true to the established character in this episode.
Rajesh: Why don't you just have Robert E. Lee charge the line with Shiva and Ganesh?
Howard: Shiva and Ganesh? The Hindu gods against the entire Union army?
Leonard: And orcs!
Rajesh: Excuse me: Ganesh is the removal of obstacles, and Shiva is the destroyer. When the smoke clears, Abraham Lincoln will be speaking Hindi and drinking mint juleps.
You'll have to give me a moment to review the episode where Boone had the plane fall on him, to see if there was a spiritual epiphany: or the part where he has the doc let him die... Shannon and Ana-Lucia both had "spiritual awakenings" before their deaths. I need to see if Boonie had a moment of grace before his last dance.
What was Ana-Lucia's? "I can't do this" seemed more like she was exhausted and just gave up.
I thought it was less "exhaustion" and more an awareness of her past sins, and a desire not to repeat them. She didn't achieve perfection of the spirit, in that she was willing to give the gun to Michael to do what she was unable to do, but the fact that she was unable to do it: that she forgave the breach of her Orgullio, her pride, Henry had committed, to the degree that she couldn't kill him herself, meant she had taken a step forward: it's tied in with her "Come home, Mija" from her mother, in the Flashback.
Rajesh: Why don't you just have Robert E. Lee charge the line with Shiva and Ganesh?
Howard: Shiva and Ganesh? The Hindu gods against the entire Union army?
Leonard: And orcs!
Rajesh: Excuse me: Ganesh is the removal of obstacles, and Shiva is the destroyer. When the smoke clears, Abraham Lincoln will be speaking Hindi and drinking mint juleps.
Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 4, 2006 13:15:33 GMT -5
mcamason said:
rubberbandwmn said:
What was Ana-Lucia's? "I can't do this" seemed more like she was exhausted and just gave up.
I thought it was less "exhaustion" and more an awareness of her past sins, and a desire not to repeat them. She didn't achieve perfection of the spirit, in that she was willing to give the gun to Michael to do what she was unable to do, but the fact that she was unable to do it: that she forgave the breach of her Orgullio, her pride, Henry had committed, to the degree that she couldn't kill him herself, meant she had taken a step forward: it's tied in with her "Come home, Mija" from her mother, in the Flashback.
I see what you mean. Interesting.
"Because in this world, after everyone panics, there's always got to be someone to tip the wee out of the shoe."
Post by Squeemonster on May 4, 2006 13:24:31 GMT -5
springsummers said:
monnie said:
EEFUCKINGTAH.
I am most displeased.
Ana Lucia is one of my favorite characters, not to mention my girl-crush.
I am so jealous!
:-/Sorry. Ana Lucia/Michelle Rodriguez is all kinds of hot--I just can't help myself.
Michelle was on Regis and Kelly this morning--yes, I was watching TV while at work . She said that her death had been planned since she started on the show. She knew it'd be sometime near the end of the season, and that none of the other actors knew it was going to happen. She seems very much like a carefree spirit, and seemed happy with how things happened on the show. So, I'm feeling a bit better hearing it from her--I can believe that this was actually planned all along, more now.
I'm still sad that she's gone, though. She said that she has plans to start her own clothing line, and is going to put acting on the backburner for a little while.
"The saddest summary of life contains three descriptions: could have, might have, and should have." ~Unknown
:-/Sorry. Ana Lucia/Michelle Rodriguez is all kinds of hot--I just can't help myself.
Michelle was on Regis and Kelly this morning--yes, I was watching TV while at work . She said that her death had been planned since she started on the show. She knew it'd be sometime near the end of the season, and that none of the other actors knew it was going to happen. She seems very much like a carefree spirit, and seemed happy with how things happened on the show. So, I'm feeling a bit better hearing it from her--I can believe that this was actually planned all along, more now.
I'm still sad that she's gone, though. She said that she has plans to start her own clothing line, and is going to put acting on the backburner for a little while.
Thanks for sharing this, Monnie. I'm glad MR is talking to folks about her tenure on the show, and that overall it was a good experience for her.
The Doctor: River Song, I could bloody kiss you! River: Oh well. Maybe when you're older.
The Doctor: Can I trust you, River Song? River: If you like. But where's the fun in that?
I thought it was less "exhaustion" and more an awareness of her past sins, and a desire not to repeat them. She didn't achieve perfection of the spirit, in that she was willing to give the gun to Michael to do what she was unable to do, but the fact that she was unable to do it: that she forgave the breach of her Orgullio, her pride, Henry had committed, to the degree that she couldn't kill him herself, meant she had taken a step forward: it's tied in with her "Come home, Mija" from her mother, in the Flashback.
I see what you mean. Interesting.
Boone's dying words to Jack: releasing him from his duties, releasing him from bleeding himself out to try to save Boone:
Boone: I know you made a promise. I'm letting you off the hook. Let me go, Jack. Jack: I'm sorry. Boone: Don't be.
I think that Boone is in a state of grace of freedom from sexual jealousy over his sister and Sayid: and is feeling a sort of grace in freeing Jack from his sworn obligations to save a life at all costs: even (possibly) Jack's own life, as Jack's the one O-neg donor he knows. He also dies without finishing saying what he wanted to have repeated to Shannon: but I think that can be taken as "She sorta knows" that he forgives her and loves her.
Wanky enough?
Rajesh: Why don't you just have Robert E. Lee charge the line with Shiva and Ganesh?
Howard: Shiva and Ganesh? The Hindu gods against the entire Union army?
Leonard: And orcs!
Rajesh: Excuse me: Ganesh is the removal of obstacles, and Shiva is the destroyer. When the smoke clears, Abraham Lincoln will be speaking Hindi and drinking mint juleps.
Maybe I should have - Shannon had sex, Shannon got shot, Ana-Lucia had sex, she got shot, Libby was going on a date which might lead to sex, Libby got shot... Unmarried woman has sex with partner not chosen by island=bad? Don't mind me, my mind is doing weird things again.
I sincerely hope the deaths were part of the original season arc, and not a network ploy to get rid of the actresses after their respective DUIs.
So, Michael has been brainwashed, or Michael has been got to (do what we say, and we'll give you back your son), or Michael isn't Michael, he's someone else entirely. Time to let Vincent (if it really is Vincent) sniff around.
Now, did Michael kill himself, wound himself to make it look like Henry shot up the hatch and escaped, shoot Henry, or just fire off a random shot so he and Henry could escape?
Henry-or-whoever-he-is is a right mixer. Locke is the right, or good, or whatever (I forget) one? I think Locke was chosen because he's the most gullible. The Force has a strong influence on the weak-minded.
I think that Michael's "Others" are the Clan of the Teddy Bear, and probably survivors of another wreck, and not part of the group run by Fake Beardy - that group are the ones running the lab experiments, and they took the children.
ABC stuck a Hanso ad into the commercials? Making us watch commercials, how evil of them - everyone knows commercials are when you get a cup of tea, or brush the cat.
Gotta go, Emily has to be at school early today for her AP exam.
I think it's more a case of "Shannon grew into her better self" and "Ana Lucia grew into her better self" They died in a state of spiritual health, so to speak: another reason I think Libby may not be dead: we did not see her transcendence.
A case can be made that Boone died after achieving a better mental state, too, I think, if I fanwank it some. Hmm.
Boone did seem to come to terms with his feelings for Shannon towards the end. Still miss Boone.
I agree with your assessment of Shannon and Ana Lucia, and I hope we see more of Libby, although it did not look good.
Jenny/The First: Hmm. You think you can fight me? I'm not a demon, little girl. I am something that you can't even conceive. The First Evil. Beyond sin, beyond death. I am the thing the darkness fears. You'll never see me, but I am everywhere. Every being, every thought, every drop of hate.
BUFFY: (loses her patience) Alright, I get it. You're evil. Do we have to chat about it all day?
:-/Sorry. Ana Lucia/Michelle Rodriguez is all kinds of hot--I just can't help myself.
Michelle was on Regis and Kelly this morning--yes, I was watching TV while at work . She said that her death had been planned since she started on the show. She knew it'd be sometime near the end of the season, and that none of the other actors knew it was going to happen. She seems very much like a carefree spirit, and seemed happy with how things happened on the show. So, I'm feeling a bit better hearing it from her--I can believe that this was actually planned all along, more now.
I'm still sad that she's gone, though. She said that she has plans to start her own clothing line, and is going to put acting on the backburner for a little while.
{{Monnie}} Thanks for sharing her interview. Hopefully, she'll return on a few flashback episodes.
Jenny/The First: Hmm. You think you can fight me? I'm not a demon, little girl. I am something that you can't even conceive. The First Evil. Beyond sin, beyond death. I am the thing the darkness fears. You'll never see me, but I am everywhere. Every being, every thought, every drop of hate.
BUFFY: (loses her patience) Alright, I get it. You're evil. Do we have to chat about it all day?