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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Oct 4, 2006 23:47:10 GMT -5
My, that's a whole LOT of water, innit?
Julia, So, they obviously don't want Jack and Sawyer and Kate dead right away, then
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Post by Matthew on Oct 5, 2006 0:02:28 GMT -5
You know, if Jack had Christopher Pike on speed-dial, he could get out of this. That's about all I have to offer at the moment. Confusing. Also, no Hurley. That blew chunks. I still don't understand why the Others went to the trouble of summoning Hurley if he were just to be sent back. It's great to see the show again, but I don't care for the focus on Jack, Kate and Sawyer only. What makes them so much more special than everyone else? What would he do, blink them into a frenzy of some sort? Now, back in his prime, when he could grab the vein-throbby head people and hold the phaser-blunderbus to their temples, sure.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 5, 2006 0:15:14 GMT -5
Well, there was some actual information in the teaser. Anyone catch which Stephen King book it was they were doing for Island Book Club? And...still looks like an experiment. Three Lostaways, three different types of cages...different levels of isolation.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 5, 2006 0:16:26 GMT -5
Three very different environments that Jack, Kate and Sawyer wake up in. You, me, one brain.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 5, 2006 0:39:06 GMT -5
Oh, come ON, Sawyer. You're gonna fall for the "other prisoner" who asks you how far it is to your camp and then just happens to escape to gain your trust? Anyone else think it's just a more elaborate experiment/setup? Of course, JJ Abrams has used that particular plotline before.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 5, 2006 0:57:43 GMT -5
Well, there was some actual information in the teaser. Anyone catch which Stephen King book it was they were doing for Island Book Club? And...still looks like an experiment. Three Lostaways, three different types of cages...different levels of isolation. It's Carrie. The guy sitting holding a copy in his left hand has a recognizable First Edition cover. I was thinking The Stand from the way that the guy who didn't like it was talking about it: though I've seen the movie, I haven't read Carrie but none of the books were thick enough to have even been the original edit of The Stand. Huh. Carrie's about a girl with telekinesis, and it's the favorite book of a woman who is involved with the Dharma Initiative, an organization interested in psychic phenomena.... Just sayin'.... ETA: Sledgeweb (Lost.cubit.net) has posted some screencaps on his "investigations" page.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 5, 2006 1:06:37 GMT -5
Well, I have no idea what the goal of the experiments are, or why the Others are so keen on getting information out of people when they clearly have access to far more info than the Lostaways already. Personally, I think the appearing to want to know things is just part of the mindgame.
What IS interesting, to me, is that the Others were clearly not expecting the crashed plane, and yet they (well, HE, anyway) had a plan in place for such an eventuality...and it's not your usual disaster plan.
So...this sort of thing happens a lot? The Dharmic PsTB send them crashing planes? Earlier evidence might indicate that this is so....
I'm sticking with my initial hypotheses, until I get more data. Dharma Initiative is some sort of gigantic laboratory, with human experiments in addition to probably other types. The Others are making with psychological experiments for unknown reasons.
And the island itself is conscious or harbors a consciousness that's thrown a spanner into the works of the original Dharma plan.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 5, 2006 1:15:54 GMT -5
More specifically, how about this: The island is Shambala, thus accounting for the sudden healing phenomenon. Plus, if no one gets any older, that'd account for why the Others seem to think they've been there so long, while they have no visible oldsters (or youngsters) among them. The Dharma Initiative knew about Shambala (hell, their name goes right along with the hypothesis) and set up a research station on the island. There's even some good logic to wanting to do research on and in Shambala. Maybe they even started out with the good intention of saving the world by learning from the mysteries of Shambala. But...there was more to it than they accounted for, and their experiments didn't go as planned, 'cause the island had ideas of its own. Or some human agency within the Dharma initiative went wiggy megalomaniacal and started trying to use the island for nefarious purposes, and it backfired. Things are now Not As They Should Be on the island. Ahem. Going to bed now.
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Post by Rob on Oct 5, 2006 1:55:56 GMT -5
You know, if Jack had Christopher Pike on speed-dial, he could get out of this. What would he do, blink them into a frenzy of some sort? Now, back in his prime, when he could grab the vein-throbby head people and hold the phaser-blunderbus to their temples, sure. *snipped photo because it was oogy in Nov of 1966, and remains so to this day* Well, the blinking would be one plan, but...no. I speak of the matinee idol-lookin' Pike who could've been co-lead in "The Searchers." The one who actually saw Spock crack a smile without the aid of metaphorical hallucinogenic-spewing plants.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 5, 2006 2:23:21 GMT -5
Huh. Those Hanso Foundation ads at the end of last season were the start of an "alternate reality game" set in the LOST-verse with background material on the Hanso Foundation. The game ended on September 24th. It included a live stunt-skit at a LOST panel at Comic Con whereby a blogger named "Rachel Blake" accused (in person, it seems) the producers of LOST of using their show as a cover-up for the existence of the REAL Hanso Foundation. (see links below for more: there's apparently even a video record of the stunt). Durnit, I missed the one from A.I, and now I missed this one, too. Ah well: it's fun going over the stuff afterwards, too. Here's the wiki page on it: The Lost Experience with links to the various Hanso Corp and related webpages from the puzzle. Here is Sledgeweb's page on the LOST "Essentials" that has "The Lost Experience" game summarized. (Scroll down towards the bottom of the page).
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Post by rich on Oct 5, 2006 6:43:56 GMT -5
More specifically, how about this: The island is Shambala, thus accounting for the sudden healing phenomenon. Plus, if no one gets any older, that'd account for why the Others seem to think they've been there so long, while they have no visible oldsters (or youngsters) among them. The Dharma Initiative knew about Shambala (hell, their name goes right along with the hypothesis) and set up a research station on the island. There's even some good logic to wanting to do research on and in Shambala. Maybe they even started out with the good intention of saving the world by learning from the mysteries of Shambala. But...there was more to it than they accounted for, and their experiments didn't go as planned, 'cause the island had ideas of its own. Or some human agency within the Dharma initiative went wiggy megalomaniacal and started trying to use the island for nefarious purposes, and it backfired. Things are now Not As They Should Be on the island. Ahem. Going to bed now. Yep, one brain. You and me.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 5, 2006 7:15:55 GMT -5
Not going to read, just going to post a couple of thoughts and come back later because it's too early in the morning. So if I get it all wrong, or state the obvious, or repeat what's already been said... Tough. This didn't occur to me later, but if I remember rightly, the opening of this episode parallelled the opening of last season's first episode - Desmond puts on his music and goes through his morning routine, exercising, preparing food and so on. So this one starts with "Juliette" putting on her music, doing some sort of stretching, and preparing charcoal muffins. The Others live in Pleasantville. So Sawyer and Kate are bears in training. I think they broke Jack. Henry-Ben does have a rather rodential cast to his features. I could almost see his whiskers twitching, at the end. The rats are running the lab, it appears.
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Post by Maria on Oct 5, 2006 8:10:16 GMT -5
Enjoyed the episode. Just two additional thoughts:
Stephen King is a HUGE fan of the show--he writes about it all the time in his Entertainment Weekly column. It could be a shout-out to him...and he's probably thrilled about it.
I do think that the Others are performing SOME type of experiments on the plane crash victims, and I think they've finally "progressed" Jack, yes.
See, I really like the flashbacks, and how they seem to match the action. But I think we might be seeing, in a weird way, how the others are using the knowledge they have of the passengers' pasts to perform the experiments on them, to "fix" them. (For example, we see flashbacks to Sawyer killing the wrong "Sawyer," at the same time the Others may be performing experiments on him that cause him to hear the man's voice)
Perhaps it's most interesting that they seemed to have first succeeded with the "fixer" himself. I thought the flashbacks this week were particularly strong and sad, especially the part where Christian went back to drinking. Jack seems to have reached some kind of breakthrough...so I wonder if the former Dharma people will be approaching him differently from now on...what they'll want with him NOW.
And I'm still not convinced that Christian doesn't have something to do with them, lol. Not after the big dossier on Jack and daddy's voice through the intercom.
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Post by Sara on Oct 5, 2006 8:23:55 GMT -5
Hey, Karl could have been one of the twelve that got kidnapped when The Others raided the Tailenders. Watching over: Uh, how on earth could Goodwin make it to where the plane's tail hit in an hour? Lack of communication between the fx people and the script writers? Or did Goodwin have a subway? My sense of distance is beyond pathetic, but I do know a strong runner can cover a mile in ten minutes or less; Goodwin seemed in good shape, and would have had adrenaline on his side, so I'd say it's not out of the realm that he could have covered six miles in that hour--maybe even seven if he was already running for exercise on a regular basis. Whether the tail section crashed within six miles of their camp, however, I have no frikkin' idea.
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Post by Sara on Oct 5, 2006 8:29:40 GMT -5
You know, if Jack had Christopher Pike on speed-dial, he could get out of this. That's about all I have to offer at the moment. Confusing. Also, no Hurley. That blew chunks. I still don't understand why the Others went to the trouble of summoning Hurley if he were just to be sent back. It's great to see the show again, but I don't care for the focus on Jack, Kate and Sawyer only. What makes them so much more special than everyone else? As for the last part, it's my understanding that over the next five episodes we'll find out why the Others selected those three in particular--and why they took them now, rather then when they were all part of the "here's the line" faceoff last season. And it looked to me that next week we'll see what all the other castaways have been up to, which again follows last year's pattern: the first episode focused solely on one half of the cliffhanger, ie what was in the hatch, while the second showed us what happened to Michael, Sawyer, and Jin after the raft blew up. Actually, I know next week's will have at least some of the other castaways in it as I've already heard who will be the flashback focus--and it ain't Jack, Kate, or Sawyer.
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