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Post by Karen on May 18, 2007 10:06:08 GMT -5
I had a thought about Charlie. When we first met Charlie, he was all about bragging about his band - Driveshaft. It was what he figured defined him as a person. When he introduces himself to the helicopter girl, he doesn't mention having been in Driveshaft right off. She was the one who brings it up. She tells him that after his death, they released an album of Driveshaft's greatest's hits. Charlie has changed a lot in the past 90 days (such a short time, really!). Now, he considers his greatest's hits to be his most cherished moments and what defines him. Of course, he's still going to be irritating at times. He's needy and possessive, and gets easily hurt, but I think he's grown as a person. I like seeing that. About the ring he left in the cradle - well, Aaron is only supposed to be what - 2 months old? Not at the age yet where babies grab and put things in their mouths. That comes around 6 months or so.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on May 18, 2007 10:10:43 GMT -5
I had a thought about Charlie. When we first met Charlie, he was all about bragging about his band - Driveshaft. It was what he figured defined him as a person. When he introduces himself to the helicopter girl, he doesn't mention having been in Driveshaft right off. She was the one who brings it up. She tells him that after his death, they released an album of Driveshaft's greatest's hits. Charlie has changed a lot in the past 90 days (such a short time, really!). Now, he considers his greatest's hits to be his most cherished moments and what defines him. Of course, he's still going to be irritating at times. He's needy and possessive, and gets easily hurt, but I think he's grown as a person. I like seeing that. About the ring he left in the cradle - well, Aaron is only supposed to be what - 2 months old? Not at the age yet where babies grab and put things in their mouths. That comes around 6 months or so. Good thoughts. So, Charlie's had the Epiphany of Death and it's time for him to pass on. Makes a certain amount of sense.
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Post by Lola no time on May 18, 2007 11:42:05 GMT -5
Jack is really getting on my last nerve. Somebody needs to take him down a peg or two. You brought us all out here to blow up trees? Welcome to Monty Python Land. Number 33. The Larch. Kaboom! Ha, Sayid did. Good speech, Sayid. About bloody time, too. For a few minutes there, I was putting KaTe song titles to the action... After two, I decided that was sufficient. I shall spare you my findings, but they were very clever. I am very, very, very tired of the "somebody's going to die" theme (by which I mean the incidental music). We get it, really we do. Bernard is doomed. Don't get me wrong, but could we just please kill the wabbit the hobbit Charlie all ready? I don't hate Charlie - he's weak, but he has a good heart and he does care about Claire and Aaron, but you can't keep dropping hints and portents forever. Eventually there has to be a payoff. The Looking Glass hatch is inhabited, by Amazons, apparently. I wonder if those are the women he was in bed with, in that hotel in Finland. Everything else is fundamentally interconnected, so why not? I am paying no attention to the teaser for next week. They lie. I want the French Chick and Daughter Show - it'd be a great spinoff, maybe the next Gilmore Girls. Red = #rorl1# I would soooooo watch that show!!
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Post by Lola trying to edit on May 18, 2007 11:44:36 GMT -5
Jack is really getting on my last nerve. Somebody needs to take him down a peg or two. You brought us all out here to blow up trees? Welcome to Monty Python Land. Number 33. The Larch. Kaboom! Ha, Sayid did. Good speech, Sayid. About bloody time, too. For a few minutes there, I was putting KaTe song titles to the action... After two, I decided that was sufficient. I shall spare you my findings, but they were very clever. I am very, very, very tired of the "somebody's going to die" theme (by which I mean the incidental music). We get it, really we do. Bernard is doomed. Don't get me wrong, but could we just please kill the wabbit the hobbit Charlie all ready? I don't hate Charlie - he's weak, but he has a good heart and he does care about Claire and Aaron, but you can't keep dropping hints and portents forever. Eventually there has to be a payoff. The Looking Glass hatch is inhabited, by Amazons, apparently. I wonder if those are the women he was in bed with, in that hotel in Finland. Everything else is fundamentally interconnected, so why not? I am paying no attention to the teaser for next week. They lie. I want the French Chick and Daughter Show - it'd be a great spinoff, maybe the next Gilmore Girls. Red = I would soooooo watch that show!!
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Post by SpringSummers on May 18, 2007 22:40:07 GMT -5
Just saw this episode and I'd say it's the best one yet this season! I liked the way it was put together.
Charlie getting the ring was very hobbity of him.
Charlie hits Desmond over the head and says: "You're not supposed to take my place, brother." Into my head comes the Esau & Jacob references that someone mentioned last ep - Jacob, taking Esau's place - not to mention that indeed, Charlie's bro back home HAS taken his place. He's the one who became the family man with the kids, isn't he?
I loved Sayid in this episode. That man knows how to be a good soldier. I wouldn't mind having him under my command.
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Post by Lola m on May 20, 2007 9:28:31 GMT -5
I had a thought about Charlie. When we first met Charlie, he was all about bragging about his band - Driveshaft. It was what he figured defined him as a person. When he introduces himself to the helicopter girl, he doesn't mention having been in Driveshaft right off. She was the one who brings it up. Excellent point! **nods** I think they deliberately chose to show us that comparison, to point out how different this Charlie is from the one who crashed. ;D
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Post by Lola m on May 20, 2007 9:29:25 GMT -5
Just saw this episode and I'd say it's the best one yet this season! I liked the way it was put together. Charlie getting the ring was very hobbity of him. Charlie hits Desmond over the head and says: "You're not supposed to take my place, brother." Into my head comes the Esau & Jacob references that someone mentioned last ep - Jacob, taking Esau's place - not to mention that indeed, Charlie's bro back home HAS taken his place. He's the one who became the family man with the kids, isn't he? I loved Sayid in this episode. That man knows how to be a good soldier. I wouldn't mind having him under my command. So much Sayid excellence. And no, you don't get to command him. ;D
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 21, 2007 19:17:58 GMT -5
Teaser
Running, running, running.
Ah, it's Alex's boat.
Why does everything have to be a secret? What about some openess for a change? Like your drug habit, Charlie?
So Juliet was supposed to report on who was pregnant. She was also supposed to run tests, but she didn't?
Rousseau, with her dynamite. So that's what it was for.
The plan is to launch an offensive. Hmm. This is going to go horribly wrong, right?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 21, 2007 19:30:35 GMT -5
Part I
Band drama.
Charlie's making a top 5 list.
Naomi's heard of Charlie. But because of the crash. Band's making a comeback, etc. Ain't that the way it always is?
Get more wire from the plane wreckage. What plane wreckage? I thought it all got submerged.
Conflict of interest: get back at The Others or get off the island?
Rousseau's distress signal is interfering with the satellite phone. That's the source of the interference? I thought it would be more than that.
Yep, The Others are jamming the signals. Bastards.
The Looking Glass station. It's under water. A looking glass under water?
Desmond has a vision of a rescue helicopter. That's promising.
There won't be any rescue unless Charlie dies. That makes a sacrifice from Charlie very meaningful.
Also, news of Charlie's survival will probably put a halt the band's comeback. Or not. Coming back from the dead is also very sensational.
Is Desmond absolutely right about Charlie having to die?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 21, 2007 19:41:09 GMT -5
Part II
Charlie as a boy now. This sequence of flashbacks are out of order. Interesting.
Just jump on in.
Oh, Charlie's flashbacks are his top five favorite moments. His "Greatest Hits" so to speak.
Shades of High Fidelity with the Top Fives.
Ah, Charlie drowns in the Looking Glass Station.
Oh! Alice in Wonderland--> Through the Looking Glass.
He just has to flip the switch.
Charlie's willing to sacrifice himself for Claire and Aaron. Desmond was almost willing to sacrifice Charlie for who he thought was Penny.
None of the Others have been down to the Looking Glass. As far as Juliet knows.
The Cable leads to the Looking Glass. That makes sense.
A moon pool. I don't exactly know what that means.
It's a suicide mission. So Charlie volunteers.
If Charlie's that good a swimmer, then why did Desmond have a premonition of him drowning when he swam out to save Claire that one time?
It's been 90 days since the plane crash.
Bernard and Rose!
Sun doesn't tell Jin about her impending death. Which hopefully won't happen if they get off the island in time.
Karl.
The Others are coming earlier than anticipated. Of course they are!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 21, 2007 19:58:56 GMT -5
Part III
What is Alex doing?
Ryan?
Jacob said to move up the time table. So The Others weren't exactly lying, it's just that Jacob and Ben aren't exactly stable. How did Karl know this?
So The Others left the Losties mostly alone for a while in hopes that they would procreate so they could then be harvested.
Ah, so this is how Karl knows.
Ah, she was skinning a rabbit. I wonder if it was Ben's.
Is he my father? So she has her doubts.
They know, Karl, but thanks. Hee. I love her delivery.
Love Hurley's reaction to the gun.
To the radio tower!
Coordination of events.
Ah, this scene again.
One of Charlie's greatest hits is participating in a threesome? I'll buy that.
Oh, it's this conversation with his brother.
DS. Drive Shaft? No, family heirloom. Dexter Straton. Huh? Who is Dexter Straton?
Charlie's different.
Charlie's going to give the ring to Aaron.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 21, 2007 20:07:47 GMT -5
Part IV
Maybe, you're going to be the one that saves me.
This scene again. Or not.
This actress looks familiar.
Well, that makes you even more of a hero, doesn't it? You are a hero and don't let anyone tell you differently.
Outside a convent garden.
Ooh, a moon pool is like a pool inside a cave.
Montgomery County.
Pheasants don't shoot back. Hee.
Nothing's going to happen to me, Rose. That means something will! Nooooooo!
It really is a kill or be killed situation, isn't it.
I like you better since you got back, Jack. You're almost an optimist. HEE!!!!!
It's a days walk to the radio tower.
Jack "owes" the Losties.
Sayid confronts Jack. Go Sayid!
Inseparable partners. Rose and Bernard. Charlie and Hurley
Charlie uses Hurley's weight against him. That was low.
Charlie and Hurley: hetero life partners.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 21, 2007 20:19:56 GMT -5
Coda
Here we go again.
Aaron smiles. Hee.
She left the ring behind! No!
Hawaii pretty.
This scene again.
Ah, this is a note for Claire. It really is an homage to High Fidelity.
5 best moments from my pathetic excuse for a life.
Memories... are all I've got.
Maybe I keep seeing you die because I'm supposed to take your place. And here's the crux of it again: in saving Charlie, Desmond denies him his right to make his own choices and be heroic (shades of Buffy and Dawn on the Glory's Tower again).
Go Charlie. that was a little harsh, but I approve.
Dominic is killing me here.
This is really eerie. Great set.
There's going to be somebody unexpected down here. And there she is. Who the hell is this?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 21, 2007 20:32:12 GMT -5
Nadia!! That's Sayid's Nadia! ETA: The woman Charlie helped fend off a mugger, that is. Oh, that's who it is! Neat!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 21, 2007 20:34:49 GMT -5
The lead blond with the gun was Tracy Middendorf: the woman Angel didn't save in the first episode of Angel. Wonder if she and Josh Holloway reminisced... Oh! I really liked her.
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