VM: 1.2 Credit Where Credit's Due

[Sue]

William said:

I basically agree with you, that if Wallace is a "type" he would be more VM's Willow, than her Xander...or perhaps a combination of hte two: A Willow that has Xander's "male" traits. He has already sort of flirted with her, as is natural among almost any young male/female relationships, especially in the early stages, where they are seeking a foothold.

VM definitely has huge leadership qualities that she hasn't really begun to tap yet. In my opinion almost all leaders are "users" after a fashion. The ability to lead is the ability to select a goal (either alone or by common interest) and then motivate and direct yourself and others into achieving it. Delegating duties to those most fit to perform and so on. Veronica demonstrates this in her plan to retrieve Wallaces tape and then in her plan to unmask the real guilty person in the credit card fraud case.

I also sort of agree with the others. I think that this show is unique enough and so well written, that we are going to be surprised with how some of hte relationships evolve here and with who the characters become. I really believe that, like with the Whedon shows, we are going to see these characters evolve and change "naturally" as the series progressses. They won't become stagnant caricatures that we can always rely on to perform exactly the same, week in, week out. Instead, as the situations become more nuanced and the layers are added to their personalities, we will be continually surprised at the directions htey decide to go, but at the same time will reflect upon their past history and realize that, indeed, it was all right there in front of us.

Vlad

Shamelessly and shallowly quoting Vlad so I can get a "page 2".

But--also to thank Karen and Vlad for replacing "user" with "leader". That's a good call. All leaders have to use their followers. Good leaders are able to make the followers desire to be useful to the cause.

I'm starting to lurk a few site with VM posting boards (well only one so far, but limited time, ya know) with a eye to posting to invite folks to read our reviews and join our discussions. The one place I visited had a good number of comments about the Veronica/Buffy parallels. Most meant it in a very complimentary way, as we have: that VM is intelligently written and plotted and the characters are complex and interesting. One poster thought it was a shallow rip-off but I think he's dismissing it without adequate examination.

When I get the time I'm going to visit some more places, if I can find them.

Sue

[Nickim]

Nice job, Sue. I really hate being so far behind the discussion, but I'm really liking this show. My mom likes it too!! She mentioned that the dialogue seems much more "real" than more TV shows. She asked me if it was a Buffy episode! ;D

I what Veronica said about making a deal with the leader of a motorcycle gang. This girl is realistic. She knows Weevil isn't likely to be redeemed any time soon, but she doesn't want him in jail for a crime he didn't commit.

I'm not sure about Troy. He seems to good to be true, but this show definitely proves the adage about not taking things at face value.

I like the way Caitlin got the shut-out treatment by her so-called "friends." People like that don't know what real friendship is, but maybe that's something that comes with age and maturity.

[Spaced Out Looney]

Dude, studying on Friday nights was totally me in high school.

09ers

Good god. These guys are waaaaay too white.

So that's Paris Hilton.

Oooh, turf wars!!!

Spic-and-Span. OOOH!!!

And Lamb shows up. The Jackass circle is complete.

And he takes the kegs for himself. That sounds about right.

So Weevil is beinng raised by his grandma, who works for Logan's family.

"This Is Your God"

Weevil is Eli

So this is the sleezier side of Law and Order

Car on the post. Hmm...

Question of Reputation.

You still think like one of them. Her challenge for the year.



Lilly was murdered on Oct 3rd. And it's almost been a year.

Exposition about murder theories.

Veronica Mars: opportunist

She's joining newspaper just now? So naturally both Duncan and Logan are there as well.

So Wallace was nekkid. Ouch!!

And Keith is completely unphased by Veronica having accessed the attendance records.

She does know she has to jack up the car first, right?

So, Celeste is overbearing, and hopefully not a Maggie Walsh type.

Lilly used the car just before she died, and got moving violation. Plus other tickets.
And the cops just now caught it? How long has Duncan been driving it around anyway? Unless it was a set up.

Ah, so this is Jake Kane. HOT!!!

I chose Dad. Go Veronica. Do you trust Dad? Learning that he may be fallible. Harsh lesson.

So, can't remember sex is actually real, but Keith doesn't know that.
At least Veronica didn't get pregnant.

Love the good cop bad cop banter.

This guy's laying it on thick. Too good to be true.

Logan's got the investigative bug too.



So the bathroom is like the high school version of the interrogation room. OK.

Stand Up for Choice.

Race card.

New definition of spoiled: she doesn't like her ice cubes made with tap water.
Of course it depends on how good or bad the town water is.

Filling the void. Everyone takes justice into their own hands.

So, is Logan the "leader" of the 09ers like Weevil is the leader of the biker gang?

excommunication.

Keith trying to protect Veronica. Dude, she's old enough, just let her know. She already knows about the uglier side of life.

Wow Lamb must be some one who never sleeps.

Sorry, hard for me to find sympathy for Paris Hilton. Despite the Veronica parallel. I mean, Veronica was never a two-timer, right?

Building community.


I love Veronica's clothes.

Lots of pink in this episode.