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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:22:57 GMT -5
I went back and printed out your post from 14 and am going to print out your post #18 to take home with me tonight as I watch Buffy.
Question here: The part #'s 13, 14, 15...are they threads or strands or what are they called so I know what I'm referring to.
Rob, these were great.
I broke down and bought the Angel DVD's and am already tired of the sulking and brooding. I was never that crazy about Cordelia. Glenn Quinn is just fun. I have enjoyed him the most. Too bad about him.
I had thought too, I didn't really care to see Spike go to Angel but I'll settle for anything they put him in. I'll have to talk someone into climbing on the roof and fixing that d@$#^ antenna so I can get WB. I read somewhere that Angel was excited about the prospect of Sanshuing (sp?). After watching Spike last week grow before our very eyes, I can't imagine him without all the supernatural power. Yes, yes he's going to age but he's held together pretty well so far. If Angel should do this Sanshue (sp?) thing, that would leave Spike the only Vamp. I like that. I haven't seen any new Angels, so I'm speaking from ignorance here, but...it seems that show could only gain from the addition of a good ensemble cast. Has DB's acting gotten any better??
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:24:16 GMT -5
I'll have to be quite brief as I am swamped at work. But I wanted to respond to one thing that Rob said in his wonderful post about Entropy & Seeing Red.
Rob said:
//Spike looks at the stricken and wounded woman he loves. He has just treated her in the most despicable fashion possible, and decides then and there William needs to reassert control somehow. The humanity that has never totally left him steps forward.\\
I guess, given that Spike tells Buffy in the church scene of Beneath You that he got his soul so he could be the kind of man who would never....that we are meant to associate the AR with his lack of a soul at the time. Or maybe Spike just does. But I've always had a problem with that. I never associated the AR with Spike's demon or his lack of a soul but rather with his humanity; the depth of his love, the anguish of the loss of that love and the desperation that drives him too far in his misguided attempt to rekindle desire in the woman he loves. To me it was, albeit a deplorable, yet all too human act, and the writers seemed to affirm this by keeping Spike in human face during the entire scene.
Thoughts? Gotta get back to work.
d
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:25:06 GMT -5
About 17 bazillion posts ago, the subject of who was attending what con was brought up. I have never been to anything like this and wanted to attend the one in Chicago, didn't know about the one in Cleveland but have pretty much decided to go to the one in Tampa in July. My sister (she's 18 years younger than me)lives in Clearwater and I can stay with her. If JM doesn't show up because of knee surgery, I don't want to go. Outside of him, there's really no one special showing up.
Before I told my sister what I wanted to do, I made her promise not to laugh at me. She laughed anyway. But she did admit, I really needed to do something like this. It is so totally out of character for me, she thinks I've lost my mind, or I'm going through some kind of crises, or some kind of age-phase thing. Maybe she's just humoring me. The conference thing in Nashville, I had read about several months ago on slayage.com and thought that might be an interesting thing to do. Maybe if we all saved our money, we might could meet up there next year. I'ts about a 10 hour drive for me, but I'd rather drive it than fly it. I'd have to go through Atlanta, perhaps some might like to get picked up there and drive the rest of the way.
That gives us almost a year to figure things out.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:26:04 GMT -5
Rob - I join Lee H in encouraging you to do essays, but if you do an analysis of The Zeppo before I get mine done, I will string you up by your Xander-like thumbs. Other than that, feel free to do whatever analysis or essays you like, without incurring the wrath of Spring (a terrible thing, let me tell you).
Lee P: From what I've seen of DB's acting, it is better on "Angel." For one thing, he isn't being called upon to do the super-angsty stuff, which was his biggest weakness on BtVS.
They would have to rework "Angel" significantly for me to be happy to see JM over there as a regular. I mean, rework it to the point where it wasn't called "Angel" anymore, and Spike was just as central as Angel. And . . . well, no matter how I look at it, I just can't see it working. Interesting idea about Angel becoming human, so Spike is the only vamp with a soul, but . . . how could the series stay focused on Angel in any way then? He would no longer have the vamp thing to add to the interest, and he'd have Spike in the mix to take even more of the interest . . . I guess I just gotta have faith, and see what they come up with.
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:26:51 GMT -5
Remember now, (i)I haven't seen this episode yet,(/i) I've only read about it but, I had the thought, based on the violence of previous sexual experiences with Buffy, that Spike in his immaturity thought this was the way Buffy wanted it. Then when he realized she was really resisting, he was mortified at what he was in actuality doing to her. This is something I'm going to watch for tonight, and all of everyone else's thoughts too.
Lee Parish
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:27:29 GMT -5
OK, ok, my italics bombed out. Back to the directions.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:28:13 GMT -5
Spring, I agree. I don't want to see Spike take a back seat to anybody. I can't see DB the actor liking someone coming in taking up his space. And, again, you're right about the whole name thing.
What I do want - is Spike and a thought provoking show.
Lee Parish
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:29:07 GMT -5
Umm...ok, I know this has probably been discussed a million times before (sorry, mind's not working very properly today) but is knowing when the episodes will air considered a spoiler? I'm not talking about episode titles, just the airdate. I know someone was asking about airdates in part 14 (Nan I think) and I responded with some guesses. I know this topic has been batted around but I can't remember if it was decided that knowing airdates was a spoiler. I know the schedule for the last episodes but I didn't want to post anything about that in case someone doesn't want to know. Please advise on what to do - should I post the airdates here (if everyone is OK with that) or if I should just post them in the spoilers section. I don't want to post it and have someone who avoids spoiler (who has much more willpower than me) get mad at me. Thanks! -L Lee Hollins
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:29:58 GMT -5
Deborah - still thinking about this. His lack of a soul was directly responsible for his lack of judgement - moral compass. I've wondered about this act myself, what is it that ME is trying to show through this act.
Whether or not it was because he thought it was what Buffy wanted or his desperation at wanting her to love him, it was a poor choice that he would not have made as William. I also thought of it in terms of humanity and not his 'demon self'.
Lee Parish
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:30:48 GMT -5
My take on the attempted rape (and sorry, I don't buy the "almost vs attempted" distinction) is that what happens is a combination of what deborah described so well on the human side (his desperation and pain) and the fact that he doesn't have a moral compass to mitigate his actions in any way. We see him drinking earlier also, and there's some sense of that as well in the scene.
He's trying to force her into admitting her feelings for him, and he just loses it completely. I know there is a lot of debate on it, but it looked to me like he would surely have raped her had he been able to - i.e., had Buffy not been so strong and able to physically throw him across the room.
It's not about sex at all, it's about power, about forcing something he wants desperately. He totally, totally loses all control. And he has that "where have I been, what the hell have I been doing" look on his face when Buffy's shove forces him back to reality.
Edited By Spring Summers at 4/2/2003 11:21:00 AM.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:31:34 GMT -5
Lee said:
//Deborah - still thinking about this. His lack of a soul was directly responsible for his lack of judgement - moral compass. I've wondered about this act myself, what is it that ME is trying to show through this act.
Whether or not it was because he thought it was what Buffy wanted or his desperation at wanting her to love him, it was a poor choice that he would not have made as William. I also thought of it in terms of humanity and not his 'demon self'.\\
I have to disagree. Ensouled humans make the same mistake he did everyday.
Deborah Cohen
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:32:12 GMT -5
The Professions that pay the worst are (not in any order) teacher, writer, and editor. And that's what I've spent nearly all my life doing (started writing seriously at about 8--just doodles, character sketches before that). So it's clear that the saw, "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" was written with me specifically in mind. And the years have taught me I'm not altogether as smart as I thought I was, either--taken in either the intelligence or the wisdom sense.
And here I am trying my damndest to get myself hired as a slightly upscale secretary (administrative assistant) and can't find anybody willing hire me. Ah well, it's the ironies in life that keep it interesting, I guess.
And for a laugh, last night and this morning I kept looking at page 1 of this thread (my posts were the last ones on the page) and wondering where everybody has gone. Took me this long to notice there was a page 2 and come see what everybody had been saying. Mind in standby mode, that's clear. Good thing I don't have a demanding task like stuffing envelopes today, that's plain.
Lovely day, though--supposed to get into the high 70s. So maybe I'll find an errand to do on my scooter. At last: scootering weather!
Nan
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:33:03 GMT -5
Not at all a dumb question.
I for one would be grateful to have the air dates for the new episodes. I doubt anyone would consider them Spoilers as long as you don't include the titles of the episodes. (I accidently saw the name of the next new episode and I'm wish I hadn't. I no longer feel entirely pure in my spoiler free state.)
Vlad, what say you?
Deborah Cohen
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:33:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I definitely won't include the episode titles - I know the next episode and the one after that but I'm clueless on the last three. I am, however, staying spoiler-free on the last three (or I'm trying my hardest) - I know just a few details (like one or two) but that's all. I'm trying to curb my spoiler whore urges (and I am a HUGE spoiler whore) and it's been hard. I am proud of myself though - I no longer check Spoiler Slayer or Spoiled Rotten or any of the other hundreds (seems like) spoiler sites I would haunt.
Edited By Lee Hollins at 4/2/2003 11:38:00 AM.
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Post by Dalton on Jul 7, 2003 19:34:41 GMT -5
Yep. That's what I just find fascinating about this show. Here's Spike all evil and soulless trying so hard to do good and keeps getting beat down. Then there's humans with souls who do bad things. You know...like Willow...Andrew...and more...
In the FX episode the other night, can't remember the name, Xander is angry because Anya had sex with, "...That evil, soulless thing.." . How many times can you tell someone they're evil before they begin to believe it. My heart just broke for him.
I love this show.
Lee Parish
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