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Post by Sue on May 2, 2006 21:41:28 GMT -5
Huh. Just curious as to why we have only 5 members signed in and 10 guests. With 8 viewing here. Come out, come out whoever you are. We need to have the "outing of all outings." ;D
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Post by Sunset on May 2, 2006 21:51:43 GMT -5
what was that about with hart? was lamb abused by woody too, or is he touchy about the subject because it reminds him of something else from his past, like the mannings did? why doesn't keith know about veronica breaking into the mannings' house? does veronica really have VD or was that all a set-up by aaron? was the mention in court of a so-called mysterious disappearance of one witness supposed to be a clue for us that he was more generally happy to pay for witness tampering? why was cassidy's car keyed? was it really a mistake as he claimed? was aaron's talking to logan a way to encourage his son to go to the prosecutor for immunity to try to discredit him? perhaps aaron saw it as a "win either way" situation: if logan lies on the stand, it discredits veronica's testimony further; if logan tells the truth on the stand, they can point to immunity. and: who planted the bomb in woody's car? It occurs to me that Woody could have planted the bomb on the car himself in order to further increminate Lucky. Keith might have inadvertently put the idea in his head while warning him.
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2006 21:56:39 GMT -5
what was that about with hart? was lamb abused by woody too, or is he touchy about the subject because it reminds him of something else from his past, like the mannings did? why doesn't keith know about veronica breaking into the mannings' house? does veronica really have VD or was that all a set-up by aaron? was the mention in court of a so-called mysterious disappearance of one witness supposed to be a clue for us that he was more generally happy to pay for witness tampering? why was cassidy's car keyed? was it really a mistake as he claimed? was aaron's talking to logan a way to encourage his son to go to the prosecutor for immunity to try to discredit him? perhaps aaron saw it as a "win either way" situation: if logan lies on the stand, it discredits veronica's testimony further; if logan tells the truth on the stand, they can point to immunity. and: who planted the bomb in woody's car? I think Lamb is too old (in terms of the show, since Lamb is supposed to be older than the actor who is playing him) to have been abused by Woody so I'd guess it has to do with what we saw him refer to in Nobody Puts Baby in a Corner, that his father had done something in his childhood. Regarding Keith knowing about Veronica breaking into the Mannings... no reason he would know? Lamb let her and Duncan go so it was never officially on the books. Also, in Donut Run, we see that Keith doesn't know about why Veronica thinks she and Duncan had to kidnap the baby and he's too angry to care what their reasons were which is why it didn't come out at that time. I am guessing she didn't bring it up again because it was such a touchy subject with her Dad, plus she'd have to admit that she'd done things he wouldn't like again. Veronica has slowly admitted to some of the things she's done this season but she does it piece by piece. Must not have told him about that piece yet. Probably didn't want to tell him anything that was related to or around the time of Duncan's disappearance . . . since that was such a sore point between them.
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2006 21:57:22 GMT -5
Huh. Just curious as to why we have only 5 members signed in and 10 guests. With 8 viewing here. Come out, come out whoever you are. We need to have the "outing of all outings." ;D ;D
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2006 21:59:13 GMT -5
what was that about with hart? was lamb abused by woody too, or is he touchy about the subject because it reminds him of something else from his past, like the mannings did? why doesn't keith know about veronica breaking into the mannings' house? does veronica really have VD or was that all a set-up by aaron? was the mention in court of a so-called mysterious disappearance of one witness supposed to be a clue for us that he was more generally happy to pay for witness tampering? why was cassidy's car keyed? was it really a mistake as he claimed? was aaron's talking to logan a way to encourage his son to go to the prosecutor for immunity to try to discredit him? perhaps aaron saw it as a "win either way" situation: if logan lies on the stand, it discredits veronica's testimony further; if logan tells the truth on the stand, they can point to immunity. and: who planted the bomb in woody's car? It occurs to me that Woody could have planted the bomb on the car himself in order to further increminate Lucky. Keith might have inadvertently put the idea in his head while warning him. I thought about that too. But I'm also wondering what further complications or twists we'll get, since we've still got one ep to go. Something tells me that at least one thing we're absolutely sure of from this ep will turn out to be different after the next.
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Post by Matthew on May 3, 2006 0:30:09 GMT -5
This is just ouch to watch. I can't even imagine how you'd feel - sitting in a court room listening to your father talk about your girlfriend like this . . . "I'm unrile-able." ;D Yeah, easy-going Veronica Mars. "Elementary, my dear Wallace." Heeee! Love her zipping Wallace's lips. ;D Weevil asking for scholastic help from V was sweet and sad. And here it comes. Ah, he was fired. Oh crap - looking for Gia, aiming at Jackie. Wallace!!!!!! OH crap! Holy moley! But what was the security/police guy supposed to think? Lucky was looney. (Very funny opener, by the way Spring. ;D ) Lucky kinda got what people who go around waving guns in public, firing shots at random tend to get: I'm sorry he was broken by the events in his past, but the cop had no way to know he was shooting blanks: Lucky kinda earned that one.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2006 7:13:55 GMT -5
"Are you as smart as you think you are?" Woody Woody Woody. You are kinda creepy, Woody. Veronica running out of a house after learning something icky about a classmates dad. Gee, where have we seen this before. Hmmmmm. They don't say sexual molestation out right, do they? Maybe that is a false lead too. How the fuck did they get her medical history? And what the hell does this have to do with anything? Damn!!! That's how her dad finds this out? I really really hate Aaron and his lawyer. And the casino guy steps up for Terrance. Hmmm. Why? Beaver helping Weevil. Mac!!!! You know I don't fly coach! Damn! Lucky and bombs . . . Woody is soooo smarmy. And scary. The Gute is scary smarmy. "I'm not a 15 year old boy Woody. You don't scare me." Yay Keith! So - is The Gute a bad actor, or is he such a good actor that he's expertly playing Woody Goodman BEING a bad actor? Because Woody's act isn't very convincing. The slime does just drip off of Woddy though, so I guess I'm going to go with "good actor."
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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2006 7:17:47 GMT -5
Earlier in the episode, in the keyed car scene with Beaver, there was a boy - named Hart - who told Veronica not to worry, that he kept quiet. Any idea what that was all about? Could this be connected with the Chylmadia? Could Hart have actually had sex with Veronica when she was drugged at the party last year? Hart seems to think Veronica should know who he is, and should know that he's keeping a secret for Veronica. Very strange indeed. And - WHO IS AMBER?? Wait - what was Abel's daughter's name? Oh. Amelia I think. Not Amber. Is Amber what Dick calls himself when he cross-dresses? Nah. I don't know. Maybe this has to do with that "Sally" reference a few eps ago . . . I'm totally confused, actually.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2006 7:19:18 GMT -5
Oh, me, too! I don't think Veronica has VD now - I bet that information was planted to discredit her. Oooh! So, the doctor was bribed? Like the doctor that was gonna testify against Logan? Oh - not a bad theory, but I gotta disagree. I think Veronica definitely did have Chlamydia. The defense team didn't really need that - it was a nice bonus, but they didn't need it.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2006 7:21:50 GMT -5
Wallace has good instincts.. Lobo. Oh boy. What favor is he gonna ask for the alibi? Huh. Bought him, indentured him. **nods** So. Good. Sad and sweet and . . . damn. Big time. The Mannings are still a loose thread, aren't they? That was totally cute. Them grinning at each other. ;D That is totally what I thought too!! I don't think Lamb was one that Woody abused, because I think he would have been much quicker to believe Keith if he was. But Lamb is a "former abused child," I think - though the vibes I got were that it was his father who abused him (not necessarily sexually).
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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2006 7:24:19 GMT -5
I really really want to know. There is something V doesn't know that he thinks she does. He knows more about the party where she got slipped the drug? Maybe someone else had sex with her? Or . . . I don't know. That was important somehow, but . . . It was the kid who had the video of Lynn going off the bridge from S1. That's what he was referring to about keeping quiet... The kid who had the video of Lynn? Goodness! Thanks for the interesting info, Rae. How in the world was anyone supposed to remember that? I love the hint that we aren't done with the Lynn story, though.
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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2006 7:25:37 GMT -5
what was that about with hart? was lamb abused by woody too, or is he touchy about the subject because it reminds him of something else from his past, like the mannings did? why doesn't keith know about veronica breaking into the mannings' house? does veronica really have VD or was that all a set-up by aaron? was the mention in court of a so-called mysterious disappearance of one witness supposed to be a clue for us that he was more generally happy to pay for witness tampering? why was cassidy's car keyed? was it really a mistake as he claimed? was aaron's talking to logan a way to encourage his son to go to the prosecutor for immunity to try to discredit him? perhaps aaron saw it as a "win either way" situation: if logan lies on the stand, it discredits veronica's testimony further; if logan tells the truth on the stand, they can point to immunity. and: who planted the bomb in woody's car? It occurs to me that Woody could have planted the bomb on the car himself in order to further increminate Lucky. Keith might have inadvertently put the idea in his head while warning him. Yes - that's what I thought also. (Hi, Sunset!)
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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2006 7:27:11 GMT -5
Huh. Just curious as to why we have only 5 members signed in and 10 guests. With 8 viewing here. Come out, come out whoever you are. We need to have the "outing of all outings." ;D Sue, Sue, Sue - what did I tell you about scaring away our n'ubies before we have them properly trapped welcomed? But seriously - to all - feel free to lurk or to participate at your leisure. Glad you are enjoying the thread and discussion.
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Post by artemis on May 3, 2006 12:38:15 GMT -5
It occurs to me that Woody could have planted the bomb on the car himself in order to further increminate Lucky. Keith might have inadvertently put the idea in his head while warning him. welcome, sunset! i thought of the same possibility last night. it threw further suspicion on one of his victims, and distracted the police long enough for him to make his getaway.
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Post by Michelle on May 3, 2006 15:18:11 GMT -5
I really loved Keith in this episode. First of all, I loved how he showed complete love for Veronica when she says everyone tells her she's easy-going. "You know how they sometimes call fat men 'Tiny'?" Hee!! That also reminds me that Curly is actually bald. But then again, Dick is truly a dick. Back on topic, I also loved it when he asked her twice if she was OK, after it was revealed to everyone in the courthouse that she had an STD. What an understanding father!! And then when he was on the stand, he had finally had enough of the defense attorney smearing Veronica's name so he grabbed him by the tie and threatened to break off his fingers. I detest violence, but man, I loved him for doing that. Keith's protective attitude makes up for the fact that we haven't seen Backup lately. On another matter, I'm a little surprised they dropped the Mac/Butters thing so quickly. I really saw something there, and I hope that doesn't get dropped forever. Maybe they are planning on a Butters/Mac/Beaver triangle in Season 3? I will say that I was completely enamored with Beaver's shy grin to Mac when she was helping him tutor Weevil. I am really torn now--I like Mac with both guys! I guess that's why they call it a triangle. As I suspected, the huge L/V angst was almost completely ignored in this episode. There is just too much to pack into the last two episodes, so they fell back on the VMVO to explain the aftermath. The one scene we had between the two of them was oddly lacking in sparkage of any kind. Spring, I liked your question about Steve Guttenburg's acting ability. I really don't think he's that great of an actor, he *might* have one more facial expression than Teddy Dunn, but that's about it. But the little grin he gave Veronica with the strange gleam in his eyes was tres creepy, I will say. And Sue, I was one of the guests. You outed me! I didn't log in until I decided to comment.
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