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Post by havoc on Feb 18, 2005 21:21:37 GMT -5
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Post by Techno-bot on Feb 19, 2005 0:08:19 GMT -5
wow...this did NOT end the way I thought it would - and what's the deal with Baltar and his cylon imaginary friend?
IS she imaginary? But how does that allow her to be seen by the others? Do Cylons have the "power to cloud men's minds"?
Is the God thing something Baltar's mind created or something the Cylon ....oh I'm too confused. Just too confused. But loving it.
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Post by havoc on Feb 19, 2005 4:24:51 GMT -5
wow...this did NOT end the way I thought it would - and what's the deal with Baltar and his cylon imaginary friend? IS she imaginary? But how does that allow her to be seen by the others? Do Cylons have the "power to cloud men's minds"? Is the God thing something Baltar's mind created or something the Cylon ....oh I'm too confused. Just too confused. But loving it. I'm thinking more and more that Baltar's own notion of some implant is the reason he see's Six. There are too many things pointed out to him that he couldn't otherwise know - even by guessing. Remember the device under the console on the bridge.. That was literally pointed out to him. So she is a literall presence if not a physical one. The God thing, I'm still trying to put a finger to. There was a high commander in the old series and we have not seen the full hierarchy of the new one yet. My gut says God is the AI. It would speak to them without presenting a physical appearance, yet be audible, understandable, even instinctive. I Six ultimately is there to serve the ends of the cylons. And it appears that while Baltar's treason of before may have been unintentional, she is setting him up to be an intentional player. Looking at what we know up to now, she has continuously guided him and helped arrange things to wind him up where he is now. As she noted, he is above suspicion at this point after his trial by fire. I have pointed out before that after each of his hurdles he has landed in a position where the possibility to inflict damage increases. She seems to be working him like a mole, digging in deep to prepare for inflicting the maximum possible or useful damage. |
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Post by Lola m on Feb 19, 2005 10:08:25 GMT -5
wow...this did NOT end the way I thought it would - and what's the deal with Baltar and his cylon imaginary friend? IS she imaginary? But how does that allow her to be seen by the others? Do Cylons have the "power to cloud men's minds"? Is the God thing something Baltar's mind created or something the Cylon ....oh I'm too confused. Just too confused. But loving it. I know! I'm thinking that imaginary cylon 6 was mad at him for saying what he did in their little fantasy game. So, she sent one of her little actual cylon physical copies to the ship to show him she can take him out anytime she wants. And set it up so he'd be "saved" at the last minute to get him back in line with what she wants him to do. But that's just one possible interpretation. ;D |
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Post by Lola m on Feb 19, 2005 10:15:50 GMT -5
I'm thinking more and more that Baltar's own notion of some implant is the reason he see's Six. There are too many things pointed out to him that he couldn't otherwise know - even by guessing. Remember the device under the console on the bridge.. That was literally pointed out to him. So she is a literall presence if not a physical one. The God thing, I'm still trying to put a finger to. There was a high commander in the old series and we have not seen the full hierarchy of the new one yet. My gut says God is the AI. It would speak to them without presenting a physical appearance, yet be audible, understandable, even instinctive. I Six ultimately is there to serve the ends of the cylons. And it appears that while Baltar's treason of before may have been unintentional, she is setting him up to be an intentional player. Looking at what we know up to now, she has continuously guided him and helped arrange things to wind him up where he is now. As she noted, he is above suspicion at this point after his trial by fire. I have pointed out before that after each of his hurdles he has landed in a position where the possibility to inflict damage increases. She seems to be working him like a mole, digging in deep to prepare for inflicting the maximum possible or useful damage. **nods nods nods** Yep. Thinking back to the first series, there was a sort of "ultimate" AI or leader of the cylons and I'll bet that that is the God that 6 is talking about. I'm gonna add this bit about her actions working him into the remaining human hierarchy - making him more important, more able to inflict damage - to my ideas about this as a way to also scare him and yank his leash so he's back in her control. I'm still trying to figure out some of the more underlying cylon motives, though. Sometimes, it's like they (or at least the human ones) are running experiments on the humans they are observing or using. Trying stuff to see how they will react to learn more about human minds, feelings, etc. Are they more human in these areas themeselves, and so want a clue to their own behavior? Is it just tactical in the war? Is it for "fun"? Lola |
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Post by Karen on Feb 19, 2005 12:14:34 GMT -5
wow...this did NOT end the way I thought it would - and what's the deal with Baltar and his cylon imaginary friend? IS she imaginary? But how does that allow her to be seen by the others? Do Cylons have the "power to cloud men's minds"? Is the God thing something Baltar's mind created or something the Cylon ....oh I'm too confused. Just too confused. But loving it. Oh, me, too! Both confused and loving it! I was confused when they showed #6 and Baltar back in Baltar's old home. At first I thought they were showing us a flashback. That was quite a shock when the real one showed up. How funny was it when Baltar, thinking she was imaginary, was trying not to let on that she was there, but she was - and the looks he was getting from Adama and the rest of them were hilarious! Interesting how the humans believe in many gods, but the Cylons are planting the idea of 'one god'. I'll be interested in seeing where they take this. Any ideas on why the Cylons light up when they have an orgasm? Kinda freaky when Sharon lit up like that demon on Angel in "She". The cylons love to use sex to control the humans, don't they? I wonder if we'll see any male Cylons, or is it just the men that they feel are worthy of manipulation? |
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Post by havoc on Feb 19, 2005 20:23:06 GMT -5
**nods nods nods** Yep. Thinking back to the first series, there was a sort of "ultimate" AI or leader of the cylons and I'll bet that that is the God that 6 is talking about. I'm gonna add this bit about her actions working him into the remaining human hierarchy - making him more important, more able to inflict damage - to my ideas about this as a way to also scare him and yank his leash so he's back in her control. I'm still trying to figure out some of the more underlying cylon motives, though. Sometimes, it's like they (or at least the human ones) are running experiments on the humans they are observing or using. Trying stuff to see how they will react to learn more about human minds, feelings, etc. Are they more human in these areas themeselves, and so want a clue to their own behavior? Is it just tactical in the war? Is it for "fun"? Lola Very good questions. And the insight on experimentation is well posited. I've been thinking all along that the showing of what's going on at Caprica is for a reason. It may be for a number of reasons at this point. Helo and Boomer here must play into the rest of the story somehow or they would have dropped this long ago. But there is little in that story line save for how the cylons are manipulating Helo and running him down the path so to speak. I don't think it is for amusement per se, though some of it could be. It seems too directed for that. At the outset that may not be fouded to state, but, in hindsight, it seems so. |
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Post by havoc on Feb 19, 2005 20:25:24 GMT -5
Oh, me, too! Both confused and loving it! I was confused when they showed #6 and Baltar back in Baltar's old home. At first I thought they were showing us a flashback. That was quite a shock when the real one showed up. How funny was it when Baltar, thinking she was imaginary, was trying not to let on that she was there, but she was - and the looks he was getting from Adama and the rest of them were hilarious! Interesting how the humans believe in many gods, but the Cylons are planting the idea of 'one god'. I'll be interested in seeing where they take this. Any ideas on why the Cylons light up when they have an orgasm? Kinda freaky when Sharon lit up like that demon on Angel in "She". The cylons love to use sex to control the humans, don't they? I wonder if we'll see any male Cylons, or is it just the men that they feel are worthy of manipulation? These are questions best not put to a cynic LOL. |
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Post by Just Willow on Feb 26, 2005 22:26:28 GMT -5
Very good questions. And the insight on experimentation is well posited. I've been thinking all along that the showing of what's going on at Caprica is for a reason. It may be for a number of reasons at this point. Helo and Boomer here must play into the rest of the story somehow or they would have dropped this long ago. But there is little in that story line save for how the cylons are manipulating Helo and running him down the path so to speak. I don't think it is for amusement per se, though some of it could be. It seems too directed for that. At the outset that may not be fouded to state, but, in hindsight, it seems so. I was talking to Vlad about that, and asked him the same question - his take on it also is that they are running an experiment on human reactions. |
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Post by Mike C on May 19, 2005 12:08:58 GMT -5
It wasn't til I watched the final episode that I thought back to this one. From "Six Degrees Of Seperation" review page:
"She disappeared from surveillance after turning a corner and vanished into thin air. Perhaps the question isn’t whether she existed; but, what technology she used to get away..." I'm now wondering if the Cylons can use FTL equipment in the human versions - allowing them to seemingly teleport directly onto a ship. I mean their 'fighter horses' or whatever they were showed far more advanced FTL capabilites than the humans had. It could nicely explain how the guy with the bomb got past so many levels of security in order to get onto the Galactica in the first place ('beam' into a deserted area then casually stroll elsewhere to cause some damage - not sure at this point whether he beamed the bomb across with him or had to acquire it on arrival), and the Leo model that got 'discovered' could easily have 'beamed' across simply to be caught (faking his 'hole where he was hiding out' area). We've seen that the Cylons are plotting something for humanity - something that isn't as simple as total destruction. Making the humans jump through the hoops that they want them to, while maintaining the illusion that they're managing to escape/avoid the Cylons. And not showing your enemy *all* of your tricks, is a good tactic too. Mike C <newbie - who's just started lurking here> |
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Post by Lola m on May 19, 2005 12:33:40 GMT -5
It wasn't til I watched the final episode that I thought back to this one. From "Six Degrees Of Seperation" review page:
"She disappeared from surveillance after turning a corner and vanished into thin air. Perhaps the question isn’t whether she existed; but, what technology she used to get away..." I'm now wondering if the Cylons can use FTL equipment in the human versions - allowing them to seemingly teleport directly onto a ship. I mean their 'fighter horses' or whatever they were showed far more advanced FTL capabilites than the humans had. It could nicely explain how the guy with the bomb got past so many levels of security in order to get onto the Galactica in the first place ('beam' into a deserted area then casually stroll elsewhere to cause some damage - not sure at this point whether he beamed the bomb across with him or had to acquire it on arrival), and the Leo model that got 'discovered' could easily have 'beamed' across simply to be caught (faking his 'hole where he was hiding out' area). We've seen that the Cylons are plotting something for humanity - something that isn't as simple as total destruction. Making the humans jump through the hoops that they want them to, while maintaining the illusion that they're managing to escape/avoid the Cylons. And not showing your enemy *all* of your tricks, is a good tactic too. Mike C <newbie - who's just started lurking here> Good thoughts, Mike! (And welcome to S3! We certainly welcome lurking and guesting, but also please consider joining as member as well as joining in the regular conversations here and in any other threads that are of interest to you!) I definitely think we have not yet seen all the technology that the cylons have at their disposal. They are playing a very deep game and have shown in the past their willingness to play dumb and even allow many of their own to be destroyed in order to preserve an image that they want maintained. Lola |
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