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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:12:15 GMT -5
Authors of fanfic have given William middle and last names. I particularly like William Ainsley Spencer. However there is an English sur name spelled Death, and pronounced, I think, Deeth. I've only seen it written in Peter Whimsey novels, and hyphenated at that: Death-Bredon.So Spike could be William Death-Something.
We could have an UPN reality show like The Osbournes with a family of vampires called The Bloodies whose dad's insane due to rampant abuse of hemoglobin and Jack Daniels in his youth. (Sorry--long day and punchiness ensues). Rusty Goode
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:13:23 GMT -5
I think, based on a Terry Pratchett book which had character with this surname, that the surname you mean is D'Eath.
I figure it's pronounced "D-eeth"
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:14:31 GMT -5
water gal writes: //William was given the name because of his awful poetry, but has ME kept his real family name from us, or do I just forget it? Has anyone ever bothered to ask him?//
I think it'd be interesting if Spike and Angel ended up having the same last name, and being related to each other in some way, because that would give them a blood connection, and it's been said on the show how powerful blood is in many aspects.
Also, Angel's real name is "Liam," and Liam is just another form of the name "William. " The name William is, among other derivations, from the German name "Willahelm," which means "resolute protector."
Of course, there's also the fact that the writers on the show seem to have a fascination with numerous different characters with variations of the name William: Willow, Willy the snitch, William the Bloody, Billy Fordham (from "Lie to Me" in season 2), Billy the misogynist from "Angel."
As for Spike's last name, I'd like to suggest "Alton," not for any specific reason, but just because I think William Alton sounds nice.
Edited By Chimene Mata at 11/27/2002 9:29:00 PM.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:16:40 GMT -5
<<...William was given the name because of his awful poetry, but has ME kept his real family name from us...>>
Could it be....
GILES?
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:18:15 GMT -5
//<<...William was given the name because of his awful poetry, but has ME kept his real family name from us...>>
Could it be....
GILES? //
Quite possibly. It fits with Xander's dream in "Restless," when Spike said Giles was training Spike to be a Watcher.
And if Spike DOES have Watcher's blood in him, then maybe the FE has been messing with Spike's mind in order to keep him from fulfilling his destiny, Shanshu or otherwise.
Spike and Giles DID seem to fit easily into their roles as relatives in "Tabula Rasa," especially with that hug they shared.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:19:05 GMT -5
Thanks, you two, for bringing one of my old pet theories (that no one else agreed with me on) back to mind.
The first time I saw Fool For Love, William SO reminded me of Giles (when he was courting Jenny) that I thought then what a kick it would be if Spike were really an ancestor of Giles. The dream sequence in Restless backs it up as well. It's one of those connections, that once made, would be so satisfying to see.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:20:21 GMT -5
To those who interpret the Giles/Spike father/son sequence in "Restless" as indicative that William's last name might be "Giles": an interesting theory, but let me posit an alternative one. I think that this sequence in "Restless" is a foreshadowing of the amnesia effect in "Tabula Rasa," in which Spike thinks his name is "Randy Giles" AND in which he's wearing the exact same suit as the "Restless" sequence. I've been meaning to go back and catalog other foreshadowings in "Restless" apart from the "be back before Dawn" and "you think you know - what you are, what's to come..." references, which are fairly obvious. Anyone have any others?
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:23:35 GMT -5
Any chance William simply doesn't have a last name? I'm not up on my history, but I know that in the grand scheme of things, last names are a relatively new occurance. Note that the regular characters that are old -- Anya/Anyanka/Aud, Darla, Drucilla, Angel/Angelus/Liam, Spike/William the Bloody, etc. -- all have no reference to last names (except for Anya telling the Council her last name was Jenkins), and all the young regular characters -- Giles, the Scoobies, Angel Investigations, etc. -- have definitive last names.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:24:21 GMT -5
>Any chance William simply doesn't have a last name? I'm not up on my history, but I know that in the grand scheme of things, last names are a relatively new occurance. Note that the regular characters that are old -- Anya/Anyanka/Aud, Darla, Drucilla, Angel/Angelus/Liam, Spike/William the Bloody, etc. -- all have no reference to last names (except for Anya telling the Council her last name was Jenkins), and all the young regular characters -- Giles, the Scoobies, Angel Investigations, etc. -- have definitive last names.<
Dru, Angel/Liam (is THAT his original name? must have been revealed on Angel), and Spike/William, at least, are all historically recent enough to have had last names (the eldest, Angel, is contemporary with the Founding Fathers of the US, all of whom had given names and surnames). Aud, being from Scandinavia, should at least be called the daughter of her father ("Aud Thorsdottir" or something like that). When was Darla a mortal?
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:25:06 GMT -5
Angel's human name is Liam. I think he actually introduced himself to Darla in "Becoming", in the flashback where she sired him.
You're probably right that the timing of the characters in history is congruent with English society definitely having last names. Like I said, I'm not educated in history enough to know. Then again, it's possible ME isn't either. I do think it's an interesting coincidence that none of the older characters have ever had their last names referenced on the show, while all of the younger characters have.
As for Darla's age, she is/was over 400 years old.
Anya is more than 1,000 years old. I feel fairly confident that she doesn't have a last name (unless you count Jenkins). The naming of children after their father (with boys taking on "son" girls taking on "dottir") is actually relatively recent in the grand scheme of things, and is still practiced in Iceland.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:25:43 GMT -5
The vampire has no reason to divulge his/her last name so most probably the last names of vampires tend to get lost and forgotten over the decades.
As for Anya, she's 1100 years old, and Scandanavian. The naming custom is different. A child takes his/her father's name, adds "son" or "dotter" and assumes that as his/her patrinymic. I.E., if Anya's father was named Petyr, she'd be Aud Petyrsdotter.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:26:14 GMT -5
Am I nuts or do I remember that when Anya was first on the show, she did have a last name and it was Emerson?
Maybe I am just nuts...
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:26:49 GMT -5
Nope, you're not crazy. In "The Wish," Anya was introduced as Anya Emerson.
I much more like her new "lame-ass made-up maiden name" of Anya Christina Emanuella Jenkins, though.
And this make about four different names for Anya (Aud, Anyanka, Anya Emerson, Anya Jenkins)? Sheesh.
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:27:20 GMT -5
<<...The naming of children after their father (with boys taking on "son" girls taking on "dottir") is actually relatively recent in the grand scheme of things, and is still practiced in Iceland. >>
I disagree. The custom is at least 1,000 years old. Consider, Eric the Red's offspring was Lief Ericsson (Eric's Son), the other "discoverer of America". So it's still likely that Anya/Aud's name was the mix of her father's name plus "dottir".
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Post by Dalton on Jan 11, 2004 20:27:52 GMT -5
Someone also mentioned the way the Scoobies refer to people-snacking-soulful-Spike as William the Bloody when that name better refers to the sweet poet of old. That leads to a question: What is William’s real name? I’m sure there weren’t a Ma and Pa the Bloodies living in the 19th century. (And if there were I would hope they would have enough sense to change their names ;-) ) William was given the name because of his awful poetry, but has ME kept his real family name from us, or do I just forget it? Has anyone ever bothered to ask him?
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