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Post by Sara on Jan 21, 2006 15:14:17 GMT -5
Huh... I was seeing that as her seeing Sharon as a human for the first time: pensiveness from contemplating that epiphany, rather than pain at what had saved her.. I'll have to look closer on the rewatch. I was interrupted during the whole episode by the boys and the snow and the dog jumping around wanting attention. What really struck me during the episode was how Adama looked to be firmly in place as Roslin's watch dog and protector. Who had the epiphanies? Roslin, Baltar? Anyone else? The Cylon sympathizers were a nice twist. Of course, they'll be used by Zarac for his own agenda. Had a weird *blink* moment, when I saw the Caprica president as the detective on Chicago just an hour before. LOL! We will not even speak of the phone call Greg and I got from our parents at 10:52 p.m. Suffice it to say that we were both a wee bit perturbed, in the same way that the Pope is a wee bit Catholic.
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Post by Shan on Jan 21, 2006 17:35:26 GMT -5
Finally realized that the majority of my finishing viewing the ep with a huge #wtf# was due to #6 being all brand!new!activist now. At first, I thought it was the #6 from early on, the one who tried to take Baltar down and then disappeared (except for her glasses), because it didn't cross my mind that the beaten & broken #6 could have put herself back together to quickly (and still with the glasses). I realize that it's been several weeks since she killed Caine and escaped, but..still.
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Post by Shan on Jan 21, 2006 17:41:12 GMT -5
Damn skippy, I was right!! (Well, to be honest, I've been guessing warhead for everything because why else have a "remember the warhead" moment if you're not gonna have something with the warhead in the ep.) Ok, that was the other part because at the end I thought: #wtf# is that?
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Post by Lola m on Jan 21, 2006 17:47:19 GMT -5
Has some real interesting possible ramifications, doesn't it? Will we see the humans setting up baby farms like the Cylons? Oh, good question. From the look of pain on Roslin's face when she was watching Sharon rubbing her tummy, she isn't at all happy that the cylon/human baby's blood is what cured her. ETA: A thought just occured to me - what else has the Cylon/human blood done to Roslin besides kill the cancer? I had a bit of wondering myself - thinking of teeny tiny cylon nanites suddenly flowing thru Roslin and . . . Well, I don't know what. Taking her over?
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Post by Shan on Jan 21, 2006 17:51:03 GMT -5
Oh, good question. From the look of pain on Roslin's face when she was watching Sharon rubbing her tummy, she isn't at all happy that the cylon/human baby's blood is what cured her. ETA: A thought just occured to me - what else has the Cylon/human blood done to Roslin besides kill the cancer? I had a bit of wondering myself - thinking of teeny tiny cylon nanites suddenly flowing thru Roslin and . . . Well, I don't know what. Taking her over? Surely the doctors have better phlebotomy technology than Sharpies on white boards and would be able to SEE them...presumably because they thought to LOOK for them before dosing the president with mutant baby stem cells.... And I interpreted the look on Roslin's face as...a direct woman-to-pregnant-bellied-woman look myself.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 21, 2006 17:54:24 GMT -5
I had a bit of wondering myself - thinking of teeny tiny cylon nanites suddenly flowing thru Roslin and . . . Well, I don't know what. Taking her over? Surely the doctors have better phlebotomy technology than Sharpies on white boards and would be able to SEE them...presumably because they thought to LOOK for them before dosing the president with mutant baby stem cells.... And I interpreted the look on Roslin's face as...a direct woman-to-pregnant-bellied-woman look myself. **snicker** And, yes, I would hope they would have spotted someting like that.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 21, 2006 23:03:07 GMT -5
Wow, the show's not afraid to touch the big issues, huh? I say yay.
I liked that there was a way to cure Roslin and keep her on the show without being a cop-out. Raises so many issues that can't be considered merely a plot contrivance.
Something tells me that part of the cylons plan is all about the curative properties of the baby.
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Post by Karen on Jan 22, 2006 10:25:08 GMT -5
Wow, the show's not afraid to touch the big issues, huh? I say yay. I liked that there was a way to cure Roslin and keep her on the show without being a cop-out. Raises so many issues that can't be considered merely a plot contrivance. Something tells me that part of the cylons plan is all about the curative properties of the baby. Oh, cool thought. Could it make the race of humans into robots - with no disease, and also no emotion? (Thinking of Serenity/Miranda.)
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Post by fish1941 on Jan 23, 2006 17:48:43 GMT -5
Wow, the show's not afraid to touch the big issues, huh? I say yay. I liked that there was a way to cure Roslin and keep her on the show without being a cop-out. Raises so many issues that can't be considered merely a plot contrivance. Something tells me that part of the cylons plan is all about the curative properties of the baby. Before you think that the way used to cure Roslin was not a cop-out, I just remembered that it seemed like a total rip-off from a STAR TREK VOYAGER episode from Season 7 called, "Prophecy". Only the Trek episode involved B'Elanna Torres and Tom Paris' baby and a bunch of Delta Quadrant Klingons.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 25, 2006 13:04:54 GMT -5
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jan 25, 2006 13:34:28 GMT -5
Wow, the show's not afraid to touch the big issues, huh? I say yay. I liked that there was a way to cure Roslin and keep her on the show without being a cop-out. Raises so many issues that can't be considered merely a plot contrivance. Something tells me that part of the cylons plan is all about the curative properties of the baby. Before you think that the way used to cure Roslin was not a cop-out, I just remembered that it seemed like a total rip-off from a STAR TREK VOYAGER episode from Season 7 called, "Prophecy". Only the Trek episode involved B'Elanna Torres and Tom Paris' baby and a bunch of Delta Quadrant Klingons. I don't think I've seen that episode of Voyager. Doesn't surprise me that the plot of a baby providing a miracle cure has been done before (I presume that's what this episode you mention is about). The reason why I don't consider it a cop out is because the situation touches on so many different threads, which, judging by the quality of the show so far, we can expect to be developed further. Plot point doesn't come out of nowhere and I doubt it will disappear into nowhere. For example: *Human/CylonBaby: we finally get our first clue as to why this baby is such a big deal. *Social issues: forced aborton and research ethics (both fetal research and experimentation as well as issues of consent) *Gaius's Choice: he made the choice between the survival of the baby and his ascent to power and he chose the baby. Develops his character. Why did he choose the way he did? Will he regret it? *The Cure: What other effects will this procedure have on Roslin? *Near Death Experience: Roslin now (provided she remembers) has the opportunity to reflect and act upon the recollections of her flashbacks. Important info, namely Gaius and Six together, that would otherwise have been lost? *The Letter: Gaius read Roslin's letter, which was intended to be posthumous, but now is not. How will that affect their relationship. (speculation that it's not actually her letter, though, hmm...) *Religious and Political Fallout: Roslin's status as the prophecized leader is now in question; this is especially problematic because she used it to back her position ("I'm going to play the religion card" ref. I forget which episode) at least once. Though possibly she could still fulfill this condition later. She will also now have to face re-election, which no one had considered, thinking she wouldn't live that long. There are probably more, but this is all I can think of off the top of my head.
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Post by karen working on Jan 25, 2006 14:30:32 GMT -5
Great list, Liz! I'd add to your #1 - Human/CylonBaby: we finally get our first clue as to why this baby is such a big deal. - the enormous ramifications to the human population. Will regular Joe Schmoe have access to the curative properties of the blood. Will they use the baby solely to serve the humans, and, as Lola had asked, set up baby farms in order to assure a steady supply?
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Post by Matthew on Jan 25, 2006 14:56:11 GMT -5
Great list, Liz! I'd add to your #1 - Human/CylonBaby: we finally get our first clue as to why this baby is such a big deal. - the enormous ramifications to the human population. Will regular Joe Schmoe have access to the curative properties of the blood. Will they use the baby solely to serve the humans, and, as Lola had asked, set up baby farms in order to assure a steady supply? Or will the baby blood turn the humans INTO cylons? Is there nanotech in there, embedded in the molecular structure, that is the only thing that seperates humaniform cylons from humans? Will innoculation have an effect of turning a human into part of the Cylon oversoul?
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Post by Lola m on Jan 25, 2006 17:34:14 GMT -5
Very interesting - I particularly liked the thoughts about Roslin and some reasoning about the possible background for the peace movement.
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Post by fish1941 on Jan 27, 2006 11:42:49 GMT -5
I don't consider the manner in which Roslin was saved as a cop-out. I had expected some miracle cure to pop up. However, it did seem like a rip-off from that VOYAGER episode.
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