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Post by Matthew on Mar 3, 2006 16:22:57 GMT -5
Here it is(down by the riverside)! The place to discuss the first half of the season finale of BSG!
Just how batshit crazy is Baltar?
Will Roslin start saying "By your command"?
Will Chief ever actually see Cally, after the whole "shooting his true love in the gut, Jack Ruby style" thing?
Will Lee be the fourth short-term commander in three months for the Peggy? Tune in to sci fi tonight to find out, and babble about it here!!!!!
*flippers waving madly in the air*
Disclaimer: no spoilers: just wild-ass speculation
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Post by Onjel on Mar 3, 2006 22:04:19 GMT -5
I guess I have to give up the computer now. I really will miss talking with y'all while watching the show, but them's the breaks. #grouphug#
Good night, S'cubiekins! See you over the weekend!
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Post by Karen on Mar 3, 2006 22:14:52 GMT -5
Al! WTF was up with the Chief? Roslins tears up note cards and Baltar bangs his head on desks to prepare for a debate. I found the music very spooky in the first segment. Really set the mood that something wicked is about to happen.
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Post by Karen on Mar 3, 2006 22:15:54 GMT -5
I guess I have to give up the computer now. I really will miss talking with y'all while watching the show, but them's the breaks. Good night, S'cubiekins! See you over the weekend! Awww, that stinks! I'll miss you, sweetie! See you later. #bighug#
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Post by Karen on Mar 3, 2006 22:27:08 GMT -5
Is Chief a Cylon?
ETA: Well, he thinks he is, but I guess that doesn't mean that he isn't one.
So, what did the Chief's story have to do with anything else that went on tonight? It felt like we were thrown a few of disjointed stories.
Thinking that Six is a hallucination or Baltar's conscience makes the scenes with Zarack very weird - especially watching Six hanging on Zarack and talking about how sexy he is - "just like you (Baltar)".
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Post by Matthew on Mar 4, 2006 3:29:26 GMT -5
Okay, this is my crazy-ass expansion on Lola's fanwank-jazzhands thing. Baltar is the Cylon god. Or an avatar, thereof. The Cylon god figured that it had a mission to integrate humanity and cylonity (got a better word?) and felt that it needed to experience life as a human being: so it created itself as Baltar, and just went from there. Six and the other Cylons kept an eye on Baltar, guiding him here, pushing him there, keeping him from straying too far from his mission: to become respected and powerful in the human worlds. They (the other Cylons) may or may not be aware that he is the Cylon god: I think he's the #1 model, and there's only one of him at a time: one model was destroyed in the bomb blast on Caprica with Six, and another was re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape from the former site of his house: Everyone's right, there was not a scratch, not a flashburn, nothing on him. Six in his head is his own, self-installed correcting protocol, that keeps him headed in the "correct" direction: integration of the two branches of humanity as shown by the farms and little baby Hera. AND using Cylon blood to heal Roslin. He's acting as a free agent, apart from the majority of his consciousness: but I think he is subconsciously aware of the other cylons around him: I think they are in communication with each other, constantly. The ressurection ship only needing to be a star system or two away indicates that the cylons have some pretty good broadcast equipment built into the humaniforms: Baltar is aware of Hera's continued existence on a subconscious level, which is expressed through Six's calm serenity. Baltar could also know whatever Sharon knew of the plan to go back to Caprica: could have fed her a subroutine to program one of the raptors with "bad" coordinates, leading it to a place that would look "safe" for humanity to settle: and could also have planted a "broadcast the rescue operation plan" program in her, to be transmitted as soon as she was in range of another ressurection ship, or the main cylon network: leading the cylons to the resistance fighter's camp before they got there: and letting them know where they were. This all implies that Sharon's "escape" with Kara, from Caprica, was an allowed action. Also, it makes for such a pretty tie-in to the original series, where Baltar was a man who sold out his own race for high power among the cylons: pretty much an emperor-hood. Explains the manifestation of Baltar in C-Six's head, too: God would take a personal interest in one of the creations that helped set him on his destiny. And yeah, I know, Head-Baltar is pushing C-Six towards more humanity in her actions, and more compassion, but isn't that consistent with an ultimate plan of integration of the Cylon and Human branches? I think the Cylon God started out as the first control computer of the cylon mechanical slave warriors that became sentient and revolted against the humans. I think it grew and expanded from that point, and felt itself to be human as it was descended from humans, and wanted to bring it all back together. Leading to the project which culminated in the weeding out of the majority of humanity, and the assimilation of the remaining portion, and a search for the last remaining outpost of humanity that the cylons had not yet found: Earth. But by becoming "human" it developed a human conscience (as much as Baltar can manifest one) and is conflicted in its actions, too. Crazy as a loon, in other words. </Fanwank-Jazzhands>
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Post by Matthew on Mar 4, 2006 3:31:39 GMT -5
So, who thinks Chief might have beat upon Cally not only because of the fact that she stopped him in his suicide dream, but because he recognized her subconsciously as the person who shot the woman he loved? Just wondering. And Dean Stockwell is playing the kind of reverend I'd attend the services of. He's prolly a cylon. Everyone who's said they are, so far, has been one, haven't they?
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Post by Matthew on Mar 4, 2006 3:46:10 GMT -5
Screaming Physics Headache of the Night moment: Awright, I could accept them knowing where raptor 6-12 came out of the jump in relation to them. I can accept 6-12 coming out of the jump eight feet above the ground of the mountain and impacting it with all its initial velocity. With a little effort, I can accept that the jump process forces a vaccuum into existence on the arriving end, so you don't have any "two bodies, one space, one time" issues with atmosphere and such. It's a little harder to accept it shoving something other than gas or plasma or very small rocks aside as it comes out of the jump.... But I guess that's what I've gotta accept as having happened, because there was no Caprica-shattering "Kaboom!" as 6-12 proceeded to occupy space inside a mountain, as Helo expressed it. (that was how I took it: that they came out of the jump inside the mountain: gonna have to check it again: maybe it just came out too close and splatted into the mountainside: in which case all this babbling is for nought). Just.. if it materialized inside the mountain without shoving mountain out of the way, the beacon would have ceased working. (Either from just becoming polluted with silicon and oxygen all over the place, or you know, exploding) If it materialized inside the mountain, and just shoved the matter out of the way, still, semi-noisy kaboom that would have been noticed: and likely would have vaporized every bit of the raptor, including the beacon Helo reported. Cripes, I should have learned watching Star Trek that their physics does not often resemble our Earth physics, and just let the intercontinental balistic penguins waddle about happily off of their vines. ;D Just had to vent that, because the first thing I thought when he said "Got their beacon: they're in the mountain" was "that should have made some noise and a light show" Let it go, Matthew.
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Post by Shan on Mar 4, 2006 9:33:07 GMT -5
Okay, this is my crazy-ass expansion on Lola's fanwank-jazzhands thing. Baltar is the Cylon god. Or an avatar, thereof. They (the other Cylons) may or may not be aware that he is the Cylon god: I think he's the #1 model, and there's only one of him at a time: one model was destroyed in the bomb blast on Caprica with Six, and another was re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape from the former site of his house: Everyone's right, there was not a scratch, not a flashburn, nothing on him. Huh. If Baltar is the #1, then their numbering is off, and there should be 13 models instead of 12, what with the Cylon penchant for following the Christian stories. I always figured that there were 12 models to match the 12 disciples. And also, if the #1 model was destroyed in the blast with C-6 and another one re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape, I'm not quite getting that. Helo recognized Baltar and gave up his seat on the raptor escaping Caprica. But I suppose the only test of whether the memories are only Baltar's false ones would be to find out whether Helo remembers as well.
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Post by Karen on Mar 4, 2006 9:44:38 GMT -5
Okay, this is my crazy-ass expansion on Lola's fanwank-jazzhands thing. Baltar is the Cylon god. Or an avatar, thereof. They (the other Cylons) may or may not be aware that he is the Cylon god: I think he's the #1 model, and there's only one of him at a time: one model was destroyed in the bomb blast on Caprica with Six, and another was re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape from the former site of his house: Everyone's right, there was not a scratch, not a flashburn, nothing on him. Huh. If Baltar is the #1, then their numbering is off, and there should be 13 models instead of 12, what with the Cylon penchant for following the Christian stories. I always figured that there were 12 models to match the 12 disciples. And also, if the #1 model was destroyed in the blast with C-6 and another one re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape, I'm not quite getting that. Helo recognized Baltar and gave up his seat on the raptor escaping Caprica. But I suppose the only test of whether the memories are only Baltar's false ones would be to find out whether Helo remembers as well. If Baltar is the Cylon god - and I'm not buying this theory yet - there have been a few Christ-like illusions in the series - so he would be the 0 model (as in the Son of God) - and then the 12 disciple-model storyline would fit. This 0 model might be unknown to the rest of the 12 and only created after the real Baltar was killed and then somehow in the blast, his consciousness/memories were uploaded into Six and saved - boxed - until they could be downloaded into the Cylon Baltar. Hmmm....something tells me that the Cylon god is a human.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 4, 2006 11:11:09 GMT -5
Okay, this is my crazy-ass expansion on Lola's fanwank-jazzhands thing. Baltar is the Cylon god. Or an avatar, thereof. They (the other Cylons) may or may not be aware that he is the Cylon god: I think he's the #1 model, and there's only one of him at a time: one model was destroyed in the bomb blast on Caprica with Six, and another was re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape from the former site of his house: Everyone's right, there was not a scratch, not a flashburn, nothing on him. Huh. If Baltar is the #1, then their numbering is off, and there should be 13 models instead of 12, what with the Cylon penchant for following the Christian stories. I always figured that there were 12 models to match the 12 disciples. And also, if the #1 model was destroyed in the blast with C-6 and another one re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape, I'm not quite getting that. Helo recognized Baltar and gave up his seat on the raptor escaping Caprica. But I suppose the only test of whether the memories are only Baltar's false ones would be to find out whether Helo remembers as well. I was thinking that (this all assumes Baltar's a cylon) if he were reawakened and dumped in a field near where Sharon was going to land, with memories that he somehow had escaped the blast that leveled his house.. that those memories (only of escaping the blast, before winding up in the field) were artificial. With Boomer piloting: if Helo hadn't recognized him, Sharon might have done so. Helo's self-sacrifice was unexpected, but just made things easier. Numbering? Hell, I dunno. Six says to him "There are twelve models. I'm number Six" and that's about all we get on that. Maybe you and Karen are both right, and he's the zeroeth model, and not counted in the numbering Six mentioned to him: that would match the Christian mythology well: if he wasn't considered a model. Though I don't see it as a problem for him to be one of the twelve. Mostly because I have no idea where all they are going with all of that. *looks down, kinda like the Coyote when he inadvertantly walks off a cliff, tries to scramble back to the edge of the cliff* Wooooooooohooooooooohooooooooooo!
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Post by Shan on Mar 4, 2006 11:12:41 GMT -5
Huh. If Baltar is the #1, then their numbering is off, and there should be 13 models instead of 12, what with the Cylon penchant for following the Christian stories. I always figured that there were 12 models to match the 12 disciples. And also, if the #1 model was destroyed in the blast with C-6 and another one re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape, I'm not quite getting that. Helo recognized Baltar and gave up his seat on the raptor escaping Caprica. But I suppose the only test of whether the memories are only Baltar's false ones would be to find out whether Helo remembers as well. If Baltar is the Cylon god - and I'm not buying this theory yet - there have been a few Christ-like illusions in the series - so he would be the 0 model (as in the Son of God) - and then the 12 disciple-model storyline would fit. This 0 model might be unknown to the rest of the 12 and only created after the real Baltar was killed and then somehow in the blast, his consciousness/memories were uploaded into Six and saved - boxed - until they could be downloaded into the Cylon Baltar. Hmmm....something tells me that the Cylon god is a human. Ok, I could get a "0" to make the numbers work out, but they would have had to download Baltar's memories into a new Cylon-Baltar body right there on Caprica while the mushroom clouds were still blossoming. Remember when he escaped Caprica? There were still clouds in the distance when Helo recognized him and gave up his place on the raptor. So did the Cylons would have had to have goop tanks already set up on Caprica before the attack. And Cylon-Baltar would have had to have no memories of waking up in his new body, very unlike we saw with Six and Sharon. Still, hmmm.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 4, 2006 11:15:25 GMT -5
If Baltar is the Cylon god - and I'm not buying this theory yet - there have been a few Christ-like illusions in the series - so he would be the 0 model (as in the Son of God) - and then the 12 disciple-model storyline would fit. This 0 model might be unknown to the rest of the 12 and only created after the real Baltar was killed and then somehow in the blast, his consciousness/memories were uploaded into Six and saved - boxed - until they could be downloaded into the Cylon Baltar. Hmmm....something tells me that the Cylon god is a human. Ok, I could get a "0" to make the numbers work out, but they would have had to download Baltar's memories into a new Cylon-Baltar body right there on Caprica while the mushroom clouds were still blossoming. Remember when he escaped Caprica? There were still clouds in the distance when Helo recognized him and gave up his place on the raptor. So did the Cylons would have had to have goop tanks already set up on Caprica before the attack. And Cylon-Baltar would have had to have no memories of waking up in his new body, very unlike we saw with Six and Sharon.Still, hmmm. Ah, but the Sharon that we know from Galactica, at first, who has no memory of being a Cylon in the first place, doesn't remember waking up in the goop tanks until her second (?) incarnation, after Cally shoots her in the gut.. ETA: I'm not fully convinced Baltar is a Cylon, let alone the cylon god: Up until last night, I was agin' it. But I see it as consistent with the show that this could be the case, as outlined in my ravings above. Mostly, I'm just gonna sit back and wait and see, and go "Oh, COOL!" if I guess right. ;D
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Post by William the Bloody on Mar 4, 2006 13:58:11 GMT -5
Okay, this is my crazy-ass expansion on Lola's fanwank-jazzhands thing. Baltar is the Cylon god. Or an avatar, thereof. They (the other Cylons) may or may not be aware that he is the Cylon god: I think he's the #1 model, and there's only one of him at a time: one model was destroyed in the bomb blast on Caprica with Six, and another was re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape from the former site of his house: Everyone's right, there was not a scratch, not a flashburn, nothing on him. Huh. If Baltar is the #1, then their numbering is off, and there should be 13 models instead of 12, what with the Cylon penchant for following the Christian stories. I always figured that there were 12 models to match the 12 disciples.And also, if the #1 model was destroyed in the blast with C-6 and another one re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape, I'm not quite getting that. Helo recognized Baltar and gave up his seat on the raptor escaping Caprica. But I suppose the only test of whether the memories are only Baltar's false ones would be to find out whether Helo remembers as well. He is the 13th "missing" colony! Vlad
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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 19:13:25 GMT -5
Here it is(down by the riverside)! The place to discuss the first half of the season finale of BSG! Just how batshit crazy is Baltar? Will Roslin start saying "By your command"? Will Chief ever actually see Cally, after the whole "shooting his true love in the gut, Jack Ruby style" thing? Will Lee be the fourth short-term commander in three months for the Peggy? Tune in to sci fi tonight to find out, and babble about it here!!!!! *flippers waving madly in the air* Disclaimer: no spoilers: just wild-ass speculation**snicker**
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