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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 19:19:54 GMT -5
I guess I have to give up the computer now. I really will miss talking with y'all while watching the show, but them's the breaks.  Good night, S'cubiekins! See you over the weekend! Well, you didn't miss me, since a slight resurgence of tummy ick kept me away from the computer.  |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 19:25:01 GMT -5
Al!  ;D It was so fun to see him. I can't tell if I loved his priest character or wanted to smack him hard. Probably a bit of both.  I'm still not sure I really know what that was. I mean, the dreams and the attack on Cally and all. He went soooo totally over the edge! I mean, I know he's faced quite a lot in the last few months, but still. I'm worried that he's being influenced or altered somehow.  **nods** |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 19:37:30 GMT -5
That was my fear too. And, as you point out, that was his too. Yup. The suspicion falls on everyone. I mean, I was even wondering if the Priest guy was one. This is a good question - what does Chief's story say about the other things that were going on. I mean, I can see how it fits in the larger arc. The blurring of the line between human and Cylon; showing how the continual suspicion and fighting is wearing on everyone, etc. Maybe it was to show us just how desparate the population of the fleet is getting? So we really felt why they are suceptible to Baltar's suggestion that they settle on the planet? Hmmmm. That's kinda reaching, isn't it? Of course, I guess that also he made a good comparison/contrast to Boomer and Helo? Yeah! When she leaned on him, my first thought was "watch out, he'll know you're there!" and then, I'm like . . . um, wait a minute.  ;D |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 20:02:55 GMT -5
Okay, this is my crazy-ass expansion on Lola's fanwank-jazzhands thing. Baltar is the Cylon god. Or an avatar, thereof. The Cylon god figured that it had a mission to integrate humanity and cylonity (got a better word?) and felt that it needed to experience life as a human being: so it created itself as Baltar, and just went from there. Six and the other Cylons kept an eye on Baltar, guiding him here, pushing him there, keeping him from straying too far from his mission: to become respected and powerful in the human worlds. They (the other Cylons) may or may not be aware that he is the Cylon god: I think he's the #1 model, and there's only one of him at a time: one model was destroyed in the bomb blast on Caprica with Six, and another was re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape from the former site of his house: Everyone's right, there was not a scratch, not a flashburn, nothing on him. Six in his head is his own, self-installed correcting protocol, that keeps him headed in the "correct" direction: integration of the two branches of humanity as shown by the farms and little baby Hera. AND using Cylon blood to heal Roslin. He's acting as a free agent, apart from the majority of his consciousness: but I think he is subconsciously aware of the other cylons around him: I think they are in communication with each other, constantly. The ressurection ship only needing to be a star system or two away indicates that the cylons have some pretty good broadcast equipment built into the humaniforms: Baltar is aware of Hera's continued existence on a subconscious level, which is expressed through Six's calm serenity. Baltar could also know whatever Sharon knew of the plan to go back to Caprica: could have fed her a subroutine to program one of the raptors with "bad" coordinates, leading it to a place that would look "safe" for humanity to settle: and could also have planted a "broadcast the rescue operation plan" program in her, to be transmitted as soon as she was in range of another ressurection ship, or the main cylon network: leading the cylons to the resistance fighter's camp before they got there: and letting them know where they were. This all implies that Sharon's "escape" with Kara, from Caprica, was an allowed action. Also, it makes for such a pretty tie-in to the original series, where Baltar was a man who sold out his own race for high power among the cylons: pretty much an emperor-hood. Explains the manifestation of Baltar in C-Six's head, too: God would take a personal interest in one of the creations that helped set him on his destiny. And yeah, I know, Head-Baltar is pushing C-Six towards more humanity in her actions, and more compassion, but isn't that consistent with an ultimate plan of integration of the Cylon and Human branches? I think the Cylon God started out as the first control computer of the cylon mechanical slave warriors that became sentient and revolted against the humans. I think it grew and expanded from that point, and felt itself to be human as it was descended from humans, and wanted to bring it all back together. Leading to the project which culminated in the weeding out of the majority of humanity, and the assimilation of the remaining portion, and a search for the last remaining outpost of humanity that the cylons had not yet found: Earth. But by becoming "human" it developed a human conscience (as much as Baltar can manifest one) and is conflicted in its actions, too. Crazy as a loon, in other words. </Fanwank-Jazzhands> Wow. That's quite a wank. And yet, it's rather seductively possible . . . Intriguing. Because then we could have two different Baltars at work here. The surface Baltar we all see and an inner Baltar who the surface Baltar is not consciously aware of. Plus, it would mean that most if not all of the Cylons themselves wouldn't really know the total truth about him. Of course the whole idea is crazy - crazy, man!! ;D |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 20:07:20 GMT -5
So, who thinks Chief might have beat upon Cally not only because of the fact that she stopped him in his suicide dream, but because he recognized her subconsciously as the person who shot the woman he loved? Oooooh, very good point! #rofl2# That's exactly why he will turn out to be one! |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 20:19:03 GMT -5
Okay, this is my crazy-ass expansion on Lola's fanwank-jazzhands thing. Baltar is the Cylon god. Or an avatar, thereof. They (the other Cylons) may or may not be aware that he is the Cylon god: I think he's the #1 model, and there's only one of him at a time: one model was destroyed in the bomb blast on Caprica with Six, and another was re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape from the former site of his house: Everyone's right, there was not a scratch, not a flashburn, nothing on him. Huh. If Baltar is the #1, then their numbering is off, and there should be 13 models instead of 12, what with the Cylon penchant for following the Christian stories. I always figured that there were 12 models to match the 12 disciples. Maybe he's not a number? Like, he's the 0 at the start of all the numbers? Or maybe the replacement Baltar was waiting all the time or was an immediate replacement? So he really did "escape" on the raptor? I mean, if he's the cylon God, then maybe he can reawaken virtually immediately? But, being a God doesn't really fit with Six smacking him around all the time . . . Well, except Six doesn't know who he is, so . . . Huh. My brain is all bendy now. |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 20:20:14 GMT -5
Huh. If Baltar is the #1, then their numbering is off, and there should be 13 models instead of 12, what with the Cylon penchant for following the Christian stories. I always figured that there were 12 models to match the 12 disciples. And also, if the #1 model was destroyed in the blast with C-6 and another one re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape, I'm not quite getting that. Helo recognized Baltar and gave up his seat on the raptor escaping Caprica. But I suppose the only test of whether the memories are only Baltar's false ones would be to find out whether Helo remembers as well. If Baltar is the Cylon god - and I'm not buying this theory yet - there have been a few Christ-like illusions in the series - so he would be the 0 model (as in the Son of God) - and then the 12 disciple-model storyline would fit. This 0 model might be unknown to the rest of the 12 and only created after the real Baltar was killed and then somehow in the blast, his consciousness/memories were uploaded into Six and saved - boxed - until they could be downloaded into the Cylon Baltar. Hmmm....something tells me that the Cylon god is a human. Or, like, #metoo# |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 4, 2006 20:27:35 GMT -5
Huh. If Baltar is the #1, then their numbering is off, and there should be 13 models instead of 12, what with the Cylon penchant for following the Christian stories. I always figured that there were 12 models to match the 12 disciples.And also, if the #1 model was destroyed in the blast with C-6 and another one re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape, I'm not quite getting that. Helo recognized Baltar and gave up his seat on the raptor escaping Caprica. But I suppose the only test of whether the memories are only Baltar's false ones would be to find out whether Helo remembers as well. He is the 13th "missing" colony! Vlad #rofl1# |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 4, 2006 21:35:00 GMT -5
Chief doesn't do scruffy so well. election anxiety "have faith" I'm about to face public humiliation and you're singing the same old song. Adama's father was a judge or lawyer? or? Love Roslin/Adama. Pencil conversation. Interesting seeing Six in Gaius' head after last week. elections in 2 weeks. I thought the results were just coming out. Oh, the debates. Just Roslin and Baltar running? How are TraitorSix and TraitorBoomer going to fit in? love this music and cinematography Poor Sharon Something dark is coming. dark time. Dude!! What's that all about? Chief's father was a chief. faith. Do you know how useless prayer is? OK, Mr. Religious Guy. Kara/Lee tension religious/abortion issue Evil Baltar! Downcast looking up look. Scary. Helo and Sharon are going to split? Wrong jump coordinates! Chief screwed up about losing Sharon? This priest guy from Quantum Leap? Suicidal? phantom planet!! 9 months, rebirthing of humanity Give up on earth/(fantasy ?) This planet is a fantasy? Life will be hard. That's not too bad, people would think it's worth it. People vote their hopes, not their fears. They don't want to hear the truth. Fear of being a Cylon? Chief conversation nice ecapsulation of the season. Humans vs Cylons. Both do terrible things. jumped inside the mountain? yikes. value of religion? guidance? Baltar is full of hot air hope vs fear vs faith stop running for our lives and start living them. Explosions!!  |
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Post by Karen on Mar 4, 2006 23:07:58 GMT -5
I guess I have to give up the computer now. I really will miss talking with y'all while watching the show, but them's the breaks. Good night, S'cubiekins! See you over the weekend! Well, you didn't miss me, since a slight resurgence of tummy ick kept me away from the computer. I missed you! Sorry about your tummy ick. I hope you're feeling better. #bighug# |
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Post by Karen on Mar 4, 2006 23:17:03 GMT -5
Al! ;D It was so fun to see him. I can't tell if I loved his priest character or wanted to smack him hard. Probably a bit of both. I'm still not sure I really know what that was. I mean, the dreams and the attack on Cally and all. He went soooo totally over the edge! I mean, I know he's faced quite a lot in the last few months, but still. I'm worried that he's being influenced or altered somehow. **nods** I have a friend whose husband was in the Vietnam war, and when he came back she would wake up in the middle of the night and he would be choking her. So, I can buy that the Chief is suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome. I don't think he recognized Cally before he started hitting her, tho. I think he was truly shocked when he realized it was her. I bet he's not the only one in the fleet that is suffering from this, and the Cylons are only going to use this to their advantage. I think we'll see this when the people push to get to the planet and off the ships. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 5, 2006 21:15:33 GMT -5
At the end of downloaded, Boomer and Six said they had about 36 hours to make their move, the result of which we aren't certain. Not clear how soon after this episode picks up, but it covers a span of about 2 weeks. So more than enough time for things to happen if they are going to happen. I imagine that the second part will address this.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 5, 2006 21:30:32 GMT -5
Chief doesn't do scruffy so well. The actor really did do a nice job of looking truly messed up, didn't he? Not just sort of rumpled, but like he'd really been having a hell of a time lately. **nods** I always love their interactions, but I really hope we keep seeing Gaius in Six's head to compare. That was rather ominous, wasn't it? Yeah. I think in these circumstances people would not be afraid of hard work, of the effort involved in making themselves a new home. Yep. And the fear that the Chief has is the fear that is probably lurking in everyone. Another reason that there will be an emotional pull toward the idea of landing on "solid ground", creating another "normal" world. ;D Lotsa boom! |
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Post by Lola m on Mar 5, 2006 21:31:06 GMT -5
Well, you didn't miss me, since a slight resurgence of tummy ick kept me away from the computer. I missed you! Sorry about your tummy ick. I hope you're feeling better.  Thanks!  |
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Post by leftylady on Mar 11, 2006 14:45:50 GMT -5
Okay, this is my crazy-ass expansion on Lola's fanwank-jazzhands thing. Baltar is the Cylon god. Or an avatar, thereof. The Cylon god figured that it had a mission to integrate humanity and cylonity (got a better word?) and felt that it needed to experience life as a human being: so it created itself as Baltar, and just went from there. Six and the other Cylons kept an eye on Baltar, guiding him here, pushing him there, keeping him from straying too far from his mission: to become respected and powerful in the human worlds. They (the other Cylons) may or may not be aware that he is the Cylon god: I think he's the #1 model, and there's only one of him at a time: one model was destroyed in the bomb blast on Caprica with Six, and another was re-awakened with false memories of a refugee escape from the former site of his house: Everyone's right, there was not a scratch, not a flashburn, nothing on him. Six in his head is his own, self-installed correcting protocol, that keeps him headed in the "correct" direction: integration of the two branches of humanity as shown by the farms and little baby Hera. AND using Cylon blood to heal Roslin. He's acting as a free agent, apart from the majority of his consciousness: but I think he is subconsciously aware of the other cylons around him: I think they are in communication with each other, constantly. The ressurection ship only needing to be a star system or two away indicates that the cylons have some pretty good broadcast equipment built into the humaniforms: Baltar is aware of Hera's continued existence on a subconscious level, which is expressed through Six's calm serenity. Baltar could also know whatever Sharon knew of the plan to go back to Caprica: could have fed her a subroutine to program one of the raptors with "bad" coordinates, leading it to a place that would look "safe" for humanity to settle: and could also have planted a "broadcast the rescue operation plan" program in her, to be transmitted as soon as she was in range of another ressurection ship, or the main cylon network: leading the cylons to the resistance fighter's camp before they got there: and letting them know where they were. This all implies that Sharon's "escape" with Kara, from Caprica, was an allowed action. Also, it makes for such a pretty tie-in to the original series, where Baltar was a man who sold out his own race for high power among the cylons: pretty much an emperor-hood. Explains the manifestation of Baltar in C-Six's head, too: God would take a personal interest in one of the creations that helped set him on his destiny. And yeah, I know, Head-Baltar is pushing C-Six towards more humanity in her actions, and more compassion, but isn't that consistent with an ultimate plan of integration of the Cylon and Human branches? I think the Cylon God started out as the first control computer of the cylon mechanical slave warriors that became sentient and revolted against the humans. I think it grew and expanded from that point, and felt itself to be human as it was descended from humans, and wanted to bring it all back together. Leading to the project which culminated in the weeding out of the majority of humanity, and the assimilation of the remaining portion, and a search for the last remaining outpost of humanity that the cylons had not yet found: Earth. But by becoming "human" it developed a human conscience (as much as Baltar can manifest one) and is conflicted in its actions, too. Crazy as a loon, in other words. </Fanwank-Jazzhands> Wow. That's quite a wank. And yet, it's rather seductively possible . . . Intriguing. Because then we could have two different Baltars at work here. The surface Baltar we all see and an inner Baltar who the surface Baltar is not consciously aware of. Plus, it would mean that most if not all of the Cylons themselves wouldn't really know the total truth about him. Of course the whole idea is crazy - crazy, man!! ;D Ooh, Matthew, I think you're on to something. Intriguing possibility here. A cylon replacement for Baltar would explain a lot. I'll be watching the rest of the series to see how this theory (or at least some variation of it) might play out. |
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