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Post by Karen on Mar 12, 2006 14:26:58 GMT -5
Oh, I thing Gina wasn't acting so much on orders as on her own self-destructive impulses: and I think the "nuke signature" thing is just a ruse to give the cylons cover for the fact that they are all networked together. Well, I didn't say she had orders. But, she knew her role in the whole scheme and and I got the impression she wasn't too happy about having to do what she did, regardless of how the idea was found in her head. Of course, that could be left over from her session with Baltar. Which, if I may say, creeped me out intensely. I'm with you. I think Gina got her orders - like 'Al' said - 'plans have changed'. She didnt' look none too happy about having to do it either. So - her memories are gone, right?
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Post by Jan on Mar 12, 2006 14:27:02 GMT -5
I noticed how 'slave-like' I felt the bulletheads were being treated in the ep "Downloaded". It got me thinking how very like the 2nd or 3rd? "Planet of the Apes" movie it was. Six does like to say - "all that is happening has happened before". We (humans) do tend to evolve in a circular motion. My first reaction to the whole New Caprica segment of the episode was "surfrackinreal". I will feel cheated if this is just a drug/alcohol-induced dream of Baltars, but if it's a 'vision' that he has had - implanted by Six or his conscience working on him (which I feel that Six is in a way somehow involved with that), then I kind of like it. I wonder if this is the case, how long the writers intend to let the vision go on. If not - I just don't see how the humans are going to prevail here. I'm in for the ride in either case. It does seem like it may be in Baltar's head, but I'm with you. I hope to hell it's not a dream, but a vision. I mean, it took the Cylons a year to get to New Caprica, when they weren't that far away, given jump technology? Maybe I heard wrong, but that kind of stuck in my mind. A vision would be interesting. If not, it's gonna be one hell of a ride. ;D IMO: If I remember right, the Cylons said they were one light year away when they got the atomic blast signal. I think that means that it took one light year for the signal to get to them and then they jumped to where the signal came from. So no inconsistency here. And I kinda wish it would be a Bobby in the Shower do-over, though of course I also hope the writers are better than that. I don't think I've ever seen a show so completely change its footing in 30 minutes before. Amazing episode. Can I live until October? Well, there will be the Sopranos and Rescue Me to help out.
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Post by Onjel checking in on Mar 12, 2006 15:34:36 GMT -5
It does seem like it may be in Baltar's head, but I'm with you. I hope to hell it's not a dream, but a vision. I mean, it took the Cylons a year to get to New Caprica, when they weren't that far away, given jump technology? Maybe I heard wrong, but that kind of stuck in my mind. A vision would be interesting. If not, it's gonna be one hell of a ride. ;D IMO: If I remember right, the Cylons said they were one light year away when they got the atomic blast signal. I think that means that it took one light year for the signal to get to them and then they jumped to where the signal came from.So no inconsistency here. And I kinda wish it would be a Bobby in the Shower do-over, though of course I also hope the writers are better than that. I don't think I've ever seen a show so completely change its footing in 30 minutes before. Amazing episode. Can I live until October? Well, there will be the Sopranos and Rescue Me to help out. Ok. If that's it, and it probably is, then you're right. No inconsistency. Damn. See, I was hoping an inconsistency would point to a vision or at least that the whole thing was in Baltar's head. Damn, damn, damn. ;D
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Post by Onjel unsure on Mar 12, 2006 15:35:12 GMT -5
Well, I didn't say she had orders. But, she knew her role in the whole scheme and and I got the impression she wasn't too happy about having to do what she did, regardless of how the idea was found in her head. Of course, that could be left over from her session with Baltar. Which, if I may say, creeped me out intensely. I'm with you. I think Gina got her orders - like 'Al' said - 'plans have changed'. She didnt' look none too happy about having to do it either. So - her memories are gone, right? Don't know. Someone want to venture an answer to this?
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Post by Onjel huh on Mar 12, 2006 15:37:36 GMT -5
Well, I didn't say she had orders. But, she knew her role in the whole scheme and and I got the impression she wasn't too happy about having to do what she did, regardless of how the idea was found in her head. Of course, that could be left over from her session with Baltar. Which, if I may say, creeped me out intensely. Oh, me too. But I get a vibe of.... cleansing by fire from her. Sex in her conscious mind is associated with destruction of the soul: the only solution to it is oblivion. So she obliviated, after giving Baltar what he... wanted? Demanded? Needed? Because she had fallen in love with him. Sixes seem to do that. Interesting perspective. My memory is failing. (Age, I suppose) I don't recall Baltar demanding anything. What I recall is him saying he couldn't see her anymore due to being president of a bunch of people who don't exactly like Cylons. It would be a bad career move, in other words. I didn't interpret that as an ultimatum, but I might have missed something.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2006 20:57:53 GMT -5
There are no airlocks planet-side. Poor Roslin. #chuckle#
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2006 21:01:19 GMT -5
Ok, I just started watching Friday's ep right this minute and a question pops into my head watching the Caprica rebels fight the Cylons... How come all the Cylon "foot soldiers" are all the toaster models? How come there aren't any skinjob models getting in on the blow-em-up action? And when will the toasters notice this and do the same thing as before, but instead of being Cylons v. Humans be all Toaters v. Skinjobs? It just sucks to be a Toaster, doesn't it, no matter who your boss is. Shan *born and raised to root for the Toasters, I guess* Excellent point. And then there's the other subgroups as well, like the fighter ships and so on. I mean, they can't really do anything or be anything other than fighting ships, can they? So, if there's no active war, what do they do? Just fly around enjoying space and so on? I wonder about a civil war not only between the Toasters and the Skinjobs, but between factions within the Skinjobs.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2006 21:03:40 GMT -5
I noticed how 'slave-like' I felt the bulletheads were being treated in the ep "Downloaded". It got me thinking how very like the 2nd or 3rd? "Planet of the Apes" movie it was. Six does like to say - "all that is happening has happened before". We (humans) do tend to evolve in a circular motion. My first reaction to the whole New Caprica segment of the episode was "surfrackinreal". I will feel cheated if this is just a drug/alcohol-induced dream of Baltars, but if it's a 'vision' that he has had - implanted by Six or his conscience working on him (which I feel that Six is in a way somehow involved with that), then I kind of like it. I wonder if this is the case, how long the writers intend to let the vision go on. If not - I just don't see how the humans are going to prevail here. I'm in for the ride in either case. Oh, I so don't want a "Bobby in the shower" undo on this. Huh. Or maybe I do. Too bad they can't do it like Witchblade, and just do both. ( I loved Season One of Witchblade: I loved Season One, Mark Two, more) Now that you guys have made the suggestion, I am all torn. I mean, it was such a shock to suddenly leap ahead in time and it's all changed and they're on the planet and . . . . so I'd almost like it to be not true. But I don't want a "Bobby in the shower" either.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2006 21:04:26 GMT -5
Oh, I thing Gina wasn't acting so much on orders as on her own self-destructive impulses: and I think the "nuke signature" thing is just a ruse to give the cylons cover for the fact that they are all networked together. Well, I didn't say she had orders. But, she knew her role in the whole scheme and and I got the impression she wasn't too happy about having to do what she did, regardless of how the idea was found in her head. Of course, that could be left over from her session with Baltar. Which, if I may say, creeped me out intensely. Completely creeped me out! It was just . . . so . . . !
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2006 21:06:16 GMT -5
It does seem like it may be in Baltar's head, but I'm with you. I hope to hell it's not a dream, but a vision. I mean, it took the Cylons a year to get to New Caprica, when they weren't that far away, given jump technology? Maybe I heard wrong, but that kind of stuck in my mind. A vision would be interesting. If not, it's gonna be one hell of a ride. ;D IMO: If I remember right, the Cylons said they were one light year away when they got the atomic blast signal. I think that means that it took one light year for the signal to get to them and then they jumped to where the signal came from. So no inconsistency here. And I kinda wish it would be a Bobby in the Shower do-over, though of course I also hope the writers are better than that. I don't think I've ever seen a show so completely change its footing in 30 minutes before. Amazing episode. Can I live until October? Well, there will be the Sopranos and Rescue Me to help out. **nods vigorously** I think Karen summed it up nicely with "surrfrakkinreal". Just kind of mindblowing, it was.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 12, 2006 21:07:39 GMT -5
I'm with you. I think Gina got her orders - like 'Al' said - 'plans have changed'. She didnt' look none too happy about having to do it either. So - her memories are gone, right? Don't know. Someone want to venture an answer to this? I can't decide if her memories were gone or not. Something about her actions seemed to say not entirely gone, but . . .
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Post by Matthew on Mar 12, 2006 21:21:11 GMT -5
Well, I didn't say she had orders. But, she knew her role in the whole scheme and and I got the impression she wasn't too happy about having to do what she did, regardless of how the idea was found in her head. Of course, that could be left over from her session with Baltar. Which, if I may say, creeped me out intensely. Oh, me too. But I get a vibe of.... cleansing by fire from her. Sex in her conscious mind is associated with destruction of the soul: the only solution to it is oblivion. So she obliviated, after giving Baltar what he... wanted? Demanded? Needed? Because she had fallen in love with him. Sixes seem to do that. Before I read on, let me clarify: I mean to Gina, sex is inextricably linked with the rape and abuse that were destroying her soul.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 12, 2006 21:25:18 GMT -5
IMO: If I remember right, the Cylons said they were one light year away when they got the atomic blast signal. I think that means that it took one light year for the signal to get to them and then they jumped to where the signal came from.So no inconsistency here. And I kinda wish it would be a Bobby in the Shower do-over, though of course I also hope the writers are better than that. I don't think I've ever seen a show so completely change its footing in 30 minutes before. Amazing episode. Can I live until October? Well, there will be the Sopranos and Rescue Me to help out. Ok. If that's it, and it probably is, then you're right. No inconsistency. Damn. See, I was hoping an inconsistency would point to a vision or at least that the whole thing was in Baltar's head. Damn, damn, damn. ;D No, she's right, it's utterly plausible, for a bazillion-to-one chance. Odds of the cylons just BEING anywhere on the surface of the two-light-year bubble at one year after detonation are about as likely as the coordinates that Racetrack got being totally and completely randome accident. I think it's plausible, but not probable. I think they knew the humans were there all the time, that they SENT them there, and were waiting for them to wax dumb and defenseless.
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Post by Onjel on Mar 13, 2006 10:03:44 GMT -5
Ok. If that's it, and it probably is, then you're right. No inconsistency. Damn. See, I was hoping an inconsistency would point to a vision or at least that the whole thing was in Baltar's head. Damn, damn, damn. ;D No, she's right, it's utterly plausible, for a bazillion-to-one chance. Odds of the cylons just BEING anywhere on the surface of the two-light-year bubble at one year after detonation are about as likely as the coordinates that Racetrack got being totally and completely randome accident. I think it's plausible, but not probable. I think they knew the humans were there all the time, that they SENT them there, and were waiting for them to wax dumb and defenseless. Ok. That makes sense. I'm with you guys on the set-up if it's real. Too coincidental for my tastes, otherwise.
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Post by Karen on Mar 13, 2006 14:56:31 GMT -5
Ok. If that's it, and it probably is, then you're right. No inconsistency. Damn. See, I was hoping an inconsistency would point to a vision or at least that the whole thing was in Baltar's head. Damn, damn, damn. ;D No, she's right, it's utterly plausible, for a bazillion-to-one chance. Odds of the cylons just BEING anywhere on the surface of the two-light-year bubble at one year after detonation are about as likely as the coordinates that Racetrack got being totally and completely randome accident. I think it's plausible, but not probable. I think they knew the humans were there all the time, that they SENT them there, and were waiting for them to wax dumb and defenseless.And ready to worship their benevolent conquerers.
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