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Post by Karen on Mar 13, 2006 14:58:11 GMT -5
Don't know. Someone want to venture an answer to this? I can't decide if her memories were gone or not. Something about her actions seemed to say not entirely gone, but . . . I wasn't clear - Sorry. I was wondering if Gina's memories are now gone because the spaceship that used to upload the Cylon memories in space is now gone.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 13, 2006 17:33:05 GMT -5
I can't decide if her memories were gone or not. Something about her actions seemed to say not entirely gone, but . . . I wasn't clear - Sorry. I was wondering if Gina's memories are now gone because the spaceship that used to upload the Cylon memories in space is now gone. OH! Duh! What can I say, my brain is about as swiss cheesed as you can get lately. That's a good question. I would lean toward . . . yes? I mean, they were making such a point of that being the purpose of the ship and all. But at the same time, can we believe that entirely? I mean . . . we've seen other kinds of connections, like Six and Baltar being in each other's heads and so on. So, maybe there's something more - some way to store the personality or memories in another form? Or they were just not telling the truth about the ship - wanting us to believe we'd cut the chain of memories. But, then again, I could see why Gina would want to explode the bomb specifically because she would really be gone, for good. Her memories were so horrific that she wants to erase them for good, not be woken up again?
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Post by Lola m on Mar 13, 2006 17:34:53 GMT -5
No, she's right, it's utterly plausible, for a bazillion-to-one chance. Odds of the cylons just BEING anywhere on the surface of the two-light-year bubble at one year after detonation are about as likely as the coordinates that Racetrack got being totally and completely randome accident. I think it's plausible, but not probable. I think they knew the humans were there all the time, that they SENT them there, and were waiting for them to wax dumb and defenseless. Ok. That makes sense. I'm with you guys on the set-up if it's real. Too coincidental for my tastes, otherwise. **nods** Seems way too coincidental to me too.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 13, 2006 17:36:13 GMT -5
No, she's right, it's utterly plausible, for a bazillion-to-one chance. Odds of the cylons just BEING anywhere on the surface of the two-light-year bubble at one year after detonation are about as likely as the coordinates that Racetrack got being totally and completely randome accident. I think it's plausible, but not probable. I think they knew the humans were there all the time, that they SENT them there, and were waiting for them to wax dumb and defenseless.And ready to worship their benevolent conquerers. indeed. The look on Baltar's face, right before he surrendered . . . he looked sick as a dog. Realizing just exactly how much of a part he had in all this and how completely he was played?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 14, 2006 16:22:26 GMT -5
Rewatching...
will Kara's "You do me; I'll do you" to Anders factor into the occupation?
Roslin and political compromises. Would things have been better if she had conceded to settling on the planet. Would things have been better under her leadership? Or better if she had given advice when things were going downhill? Did pride play some part in her behavior?
Then again, this goes back to upholding one's principles and "being worthy of surviving."
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Post by Lola m on Mar 14, 2006 17:43:19 GMT -5
Rewatching... will Kara's "You do me; I'll do you" to Anders factor into the occupation? Roslin and political compromises. Would things have been better if she had conceded to settling on the planet. Would things have been better under her leadership? Or better if she had given advice when things were going downhill? Did pride play some part in her behavior? Then again, this goes back to upholding one's principles and "being worthy of surviving." I wonder about what things would be like if Roslin were still in charge too. I think pride played some part. Along with "I know the best thing for the people, even when they don't", which led to the ballet switching and Roslin's fall from grace. How does that direct action of not upholding her own principals (along with Gaius' deceptions) help relate to where they are now? But then again, I also wonder if things would have been all that much different if they'd stayed on the ships. I mean, supplies were starting to get scarce, at least in some areas. And yes, this was made worse by blowing up some ships that undoubtedly held more supplies, but . . . Six months later with everyone still in the fleet might have had it's own troubles and disasters. Some the same and some different and it's hard to know if they'd truly be better off. Well, at least before the Cylons rolled into town.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 14, 2006 18:53:53 GMT -5
asta77 in ljand has been doing summaries of the podcasts, for a of us too lazy or too busy to listen to them at the moment. In the latest one they apparenty note that Hera/Isis's cradle is the same one as in the vision Baltar had. Neat!
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Post by Lola m on Mar 15, 2006 8:26:50 GMT -5
asta77 in ljand has been doing summaries of the podcasts, for a of us too lazy or too busy to listen to them at the moment. In the latest one they apparenty note that Hera/Isis's cradle is the same one as in the vision Baltar had. Neat! Very very neat! Nice continuity! I still want them to really really explain how the heck Sharon and Helo's baby is also/actually Gaius and Six's mystical magic baby, but . . . picky, picky, picky. And the guy that plays Gaius stayed up all night and drank to get ready for that character's final scene because he wanted Baltar to look as bad as possible. ;D
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 19, 2006 10:53:21 GMT -5
If you're like me and your recorder of choice cut off before the end of the show, the last couple minutes are available on the website. www.scifi.com/battlestar/updates/I love how they do things like this. Shows that they really care about us and the show.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 19, 2006 11:45:40 GMT -5
Oh, me too. But I get a vibe of.... cleansing by fire from her. Sex in her conscious mind is associated with destruction of the soul: the only solution to it is oblivion. So she obliviated, after giving Baltar what he... wanted? Demanded? Needed? Because she had fallen in love with him. Sixes seem to do that. Interesting perspective. My memory is failing. (Age, I suppose) I don't recall Baltar demanding anything. What I recall is him saying he couldn't see her anymore due to being president of a bunch of people who don't exactly like Cylons. It would be a bad career move, in other words. I didn't interpret that as an ultimatum, but I might have missed something. FINALLY got these eps watched last night. And my opinion, AFTER I saw her kill herself, was that she took what she needed, knowing it was her last night of life, and that her memories wouldn't be uploaded - 'cause the resurrection ship was destroyed. So she was really going to die, this time. So she had sex with someone she at least thought she might have the potential to love, as her last act before she had to kill herself. As for the bomb...I think it was deliberately to attract the Cylons, and the "one year" thing could have been chosen to be any amount of time. No reason to suspect a setup necessarily, and no reason to presume there hasn't been one, either. Whereever the Cylons were, as long as they were relatively close, they might have detected a nuclear explosion and followed it to the human fleet. It just happens that they were, say, a light-year away rather than two light-months or five light years. Maybe. As I say, no data either way. I think it was an autonomous choice by Six, myself, after realizing that the nebula would shield the human colony. She sent a beacon to her kind, and committed suicide, which she was gonna do eventually anyway, at the same time. The Cylons are really quite inconsistent in their tactical choices, though, I must say. Almost, dare I say, human.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 19, 2006 11:59:32 GMT -5
Oh, Cally and Chief . . . "I forgive you." "No!" She just gives Sharon a gun. Somewhere in her mind, Kara has crossed the line of "otherness" when it comes to this Boomer. "Not goin' back to one of those farms." Oh, hell yeah. That place scared the crap out of me! I'd make damn sure there was no way that was happening. "There's always a back up plan for victory." OK, that makes me nervous. OK, WTF?! The priest guy is a Cylon! Damn! That's a good one!! I *knew*! I KNEW! He just seemed so off...and weird...and I thought "Cylon?" But then I thought, "Nah, too obvious." And then he made that joke about his being a Cylon, which was beautiful cover. Anyway...can Cylons put dreams in people's heads? As with, say, Baltar's hallucinations? Did Priest Cylon make the Chief have those dreams?
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Post by Rachael on Mar 19, 2006 12:02:33 GMT -5
LOL! Of course that priest's a Cylon! Strange that the Cylons suspended their attack - of course, they have one of theirs in the group on the ground, so that's probably why. It's weird that Sharon doesn't know that he's a Cylon. Okay, am I the only one who didn't trust Sharon at ALL, the entire episode? As in, she has reason, now, to hate you all and hand you over? I suspected her in the folks who died on the way in, and I totally knew she knew he was a Cylon and didn't say anything. She can't be trusted anymore, not after the baby. And someone should have thought of that. Have they no shrinks in the fleet? Well, none that they consulted on the "steal the baby" plan, anyway. And now they've come for the baby, is my guess. The Cylons.
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Post by Karen on Mar 19, 2006 12:19:49 GMT -5
asta77 in ljand has been doing summaries of the podcasts, for a of us too lazy or too busy to listen to them at the moment. In the latest one they apparenty note that Hera/Isis's cradle is the same one as in the vision Baltar had. Neat! Very very neat! Nice continuity! I still want them to really really explain how the heck Sharon and Helo's baby is also/actually Gaius and Six's mystical magic baby, but . . . picky, picky, picky. And the guy that plays Gaius stayed up all night and drank to get ready for that character's final scene because he wanted Baltar to look as bad as possible. ;D Huh. Maybe the baby really isn't Helo's, and Baltar really is the cylon 'god' but doesn't know it, and somehow they implanted Sharon with a baby ... .... ..... *head explodes*...
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Post by Karen on Mar 19, 2006 12:23:22 GMT -5
Oh, Cally and Chief . . . "I forgive you." "No!" She just gives Sharon a gun. Somewhere in her mind, Kara has crossed the line of "otherness" when it comes to this Boomer. "Not goin' back to one of those farms." Oh, hell yeah. That place scared the crap out of me! I'd make damn sure there was no way that was happening. "There's always a back up plan for victory." OK, that makes me nervous. OK, WTF?! The priest guy is a Cylon! Damn! That's a good one!! I *knew*! I KNEW! He just seemed so off...and weird...and I thought "Cylon?" But then I thought, "Nah, too obvious." And then he made that joke about his being a Cylon, which was beautiful cover. Anyway...can Cylons put dreams in people's heads? As with, say, Baltar's hallucinations? Did Priest Cylon make the Chief have those dreams? I don't think that they can put dreams in people's head, but because of what you've said here, I now think that the Chief is a cylon and doesn't know it yet, just as he fears and just like Sharon.
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Post by Rachael on Mar 19, 2006 12:30:04 GMT -5
I *knew*! I KNEW! He just seemed so off...and weird...and I thought "Cylon?" But then I thought, "Nah, too obvious." And then he made that joke about his being a Cylon, which was beautiful cover. Anyway...can Cylons put dreams in people's heads? As with, say, Baltar's hallucinations? Did Priest Cylon make the Chief have those dreams? I don't think that they can put dreams in people's head, but because of what you've said here, I now think that the Chief is a cylon and doesn't know it yet, just as he fears and just like Sharon. If so, then there's another human/Cylon hybrid on the way.
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