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Post by Dalton on Oct 28, 2003 16:17:34 GMT -5
I've been picking up past posts that I didn't get to read before and ran across the thread about Spike, Anya, and his pants in the Sleeper episode (posts #287,291,321). I watched that episode again awhile back because I was confused about his pants. (Bear with me here, I know that sounded weird.) When Spike asked Anya to pass him his pants, she handed him his jeans, not the leather pants. Later, he came out of his bedroom/closet wearing leather pants. What someone suggested, that he just put his jeans on before returning to sleep to avoid any more Anya skirmishes, makes sense. Later, he put on his leather pants to go out for the evening. Watch as Anya rummages through his pants while he is asleep. The pants are his jeans.
Also, where did the leather pants come from? Those things are expensive and I don't remember Spike ever having leather pants before. He couldn't have earned money for them (okay, I don't WANT to think how he might have earned money for them). Maybe he got them the same way he got his leather coat. I didn't notice any of the vampires in the basement missing their pants, did you? But if the little box of cigarettes could trigger his memory, I would think a pair of leather pants ripped off a victim would trigger the memory also.
As for the time passing as Anya kept a watch on Spike at Xander's apartment - Xander opened the blinds for Anya giving her sunlight to stay in for protection against Spike. We assume it was morning. The light from the windows was quite different when Anya decided to check out Spike's bedroom. I assumed it was late afternoon. We first see an exterior shot of Sunnydale at night when Spike finally emerges from his bedroom. I take this to mean night has fallen already when he leaves the apartment. Anya has a light on while she reads a magazine. I see the time acceptably accounted for from morning to evening. My only question is why is Xander not home yet? But that is a minor point and easily brushed aside.
Geez, I must be entering BtVS withdrawal already if I'm analyzing ("analysing" for Monkey Pants ) the material in a pair of pants.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 17:57:55 GMT -5
Regarding Spike's pants, could have just been a wardrobe screw-up. Wouldn't have been the first time. There's an episode early on where Buffy gets out of her mom's Jeep wearing a white blouse, spends the day at school in a pink blouse (with noticibly different trim, so it wasn't just the chroma was off), then goes home in the white blouse she started the day in, with no explination for a shirt being changed other than a wardrobe screwup.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:00:16 GMT -5
I think those leather pants are a pair of Angel’s. They got mixed up in Spike’s stuff because Angel & Spike foolishly put Dru in charge of the laundry back in Season 2. Spike never wore them before now because they used to be too big.
This got me thinking though - I was wondering if anyone had any theories about the color blue in BtVS in general or blue sweaters in particular?
Willow hunts for her blue sweater when Joyce dies, Spike steals Buffy’s blue sweater for his mannequin to wear. And Spike wears a blue sweater when he makes his first visit to Buffy in Beneath You - possibly the same one he stole from Buffy, judging from the fit :-).
I remember noticing that Spike was wearing his blue shirt rather than his usual red one when he confronted Buffy in the alley in Smashed and they ended up bringing the house down. There are probably other examples of characters “deliberately” wearing blue . . . what’s it all mean?
Also, the word blue is used in an episode title (Something Blue) and in the song at the beginning of Conversations with Dead People (something like – “I fell into the moon, and it covered you in blue . . .”). I’ve never been sure what to make of it.
Spring Summers
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:01:15 GMT -5
Athene V said in Post #242, "I could deal with seeing Spike dust himself to save the world. But I cannot envision any form of the series to continue without Spike." Did the prophecy say something about a vampire saving the world (presumably by getting dusted) and getting his humanity back? If so, then he could be killed saving the world and come back as a human with a normal life span to live. The problem with that is I am so used to superstrong vampy Spike that I don't know what Joss could do with William to make him interesting (well, I know one or two things...  But at least William could travel outside during daylight, and James Marsters could go to the beach and get tanned which he says he can't do now and is a downside to playing his character. Spring Summers (post # 241) - Explain to me how Spike is now filling up Angel's leather pants. Do you mean Dru shrunk them? Or??? The mind has definitely gone into the gutter on this one. Alexandra K. |
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:02:13 GMT -5
I'm afraid JM took everyon's concern about how thin he looked last season to heart. Or rather, to waist. I don't think they warned him that he'd also be spending most of this season with his shirt off. Time for Morphy to appear to him as the personal trainer from hell...hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, special orders don't upset us....
Rusty Goode
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:04:40 GMT -5
Okay, I'm completely flummoxed by the "blue" issue. How about - there are a lot of blondes on BtVS and they look good in blue?
Do you think it is a code of some sort that telegraphs when a particularly juicy scene is coming up? Like when Harmony wore Buffy's sweater pretending to be the slayer for some sex play with Spike? Come to think of it, we didn't get to see anything juicy... I guess that theory doesn't fly, huh.
Alexandra K.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:05:39 GMT -5
/////I'm afraid JM took everyon's concern about how thin he looked last season to heart. Or rather, to waist. I don't think they warned him that he'd also be spending most of this season with his shirt off. Time for Morphy to appear to him as the personal trainer from hell...hold the pickles, hold the lettuce, special orders don't upset us..../////// Whatever are you saying? I was just thinking how, with the possible exception of Xander, I want to feed the whole emaciated lot of them a rather large meal. If JM is considered overweight, then I'm afraid that our society's definition of healthy weight has become very unhealthy. If he has gained weight, I can assure you that I hadn't noticed. I was too busy drooling. :-) Now if your comment was only to explain how Spike could wear Angel's pants, then I understand. (Though how did our conversation degrade to the point where we are discussing the contents of trousers?) Oh boy, I had better leave this before it degenerates further. Must...drag...mind...out of...gutter... Wait! I haven't had supper yet either. Ta ta for now!  M Edited By Watergal =^..^= at 12/2/2002 7:11:00 PM. |
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:22:13 GMT -5
I'm swimming right down here in the gutter with ya. I certainly hope this water has been treated. You saw to that, didn't you?
I did notice JM had put on some weight and looked more like Season 5 (in "Out of My Mind"). I read that he said he used to weigh 200 but decided that vampires should look more hungry so he lost some weight. I can't decide which I way I like him best, so I'm carefully assessing both looks. This research may go on for some time.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:22:47 GMT -5
I'm cerainly not suggesting JM go on another crash diet, but he's showing that tendency for men to put on weight around their middle, especially if it goes on quickly. It's a noticible contrast to his lean nakedness of last season. I'm sure he has a killer schedule and needs sleep more than sit-ups these days.
Rusty Goode
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:23:18 GMT -5
It just struck me. Has it occurred to anyone that Spike's perpetual nudity may be an allusion to something? As Rusty just mentioned, JM has been shirtless for most of the season, and come to think of it Spike has probably been naked more than he has been dressed this season.
Could this be alluding to his soul? Spike/William has truly been stripped naked this season. He has no façade to hide behind. We see him as he truly is; the tender, tortured, misunderstood, soulful William and, at times, the vicious, bloodthirsty Spike.
Or, I could be wrong. It could all be eye-candy. Maybe they had to boost the female viewership.
I await with bated breath the ensuing avalanche of discussion.
M
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:23:40 GMT -5
I've never liked either the over-buffed hunk look or famine chic, so all I'm asking for is lean and defined. And, strictly in the interest of research, I will be using the pause funtion on my VCR to chart the current trend.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:24:07 GMT -5
I suspect they don't have to boost the female viewership. And my vote? It's pure eye-candy. P.S. Spike/William hasn't been stripped naked this season -I would have noticed. |
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:24:57 GMT -5
Rusty: I'm with you all the way on this one. M.
Oh and by the way, how would the Buffyverse explain Spike's expansion? (If you can truly call the non-skeletal look that.) I hardly think that he was getting enough rats down there in the basement to account for it. Maybe Xander was feeding him. Hey, maybe it's all the people that Morphy-controlled-Spike was ingesting. I can just see Soulful-Spike looking down at his waistline and saying "Oh, balls! All I eat is the occasional rat, and here I go looking like I'm letting myself go" (Just because you're dead doesn't mean you should let yourself go. I believe is the exact quote from last season.)
Oh dear, I digress.
Watergal =^..^=
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:26:17 GMT -5
Alexandra K – as to how Spike is now filling Angel’s pants – I was referring to the fact that Angel always seemed to have a few more inches than Spike in the WAISTLINE area (but now Spike has put on some much needed weight). Merciful Zeus woman, where is your mind?
And if JM is getting flabby, I must be getting blind, because I can’t see it and I have looked and looked and looked and looked. And looked.
Watcher’s HQ: Have I mentioned that I think it blew up?
Water gal, that’s a pretty fancy theory about the metaphorical use of nudity to symbolize Spike’s being stripped of all façade. I see your mind soars way above the gutters. Alexandra, take note! :-). But my vote: Eye candy.
BLUENESS: The best I can come up with here is blue symbolizing something like . . . life, vitality, passion – a person’s essence?? I do think the color blue is used quite deliberately, but I haven’t quite pinpointed it to my satisfaction. Theories welcome.
Edited By Spring Summers at 12/2/2002 9:28:00 PM.
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Post by Dalton on Oct 29, 2003 18:26:56 GMT -5
James Marsters is 40 years old, for crying out loud! I haven't noticed that he's put on any weight, but I have noticed that just recently he does appear to be on the high side of 35 rather than the low side. Cheekbones not quite as sharp as they were.
But I still think (gratuitous gushing here)he's eminently shag-a-ble.
Athene V
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But at least William could travel outside during daylight, and James Marsters could go to the beach and get tanned which he says he can't do now and is a downside to playing his character.
M