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Post by Sara on Jan 28, 2007 23:31:31 GMT -5
*Nods vigorously* But so is Kara. And so are Sam and Dee, to a lesser extent. I thought it interesting that their story was paralleled with Gaius and his self-deception. Ooo, excellent point.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 28, 2007 23:32:45 GMT -5
Okay. This Chips Ahoy commercial is really freaking me out. Don't you want me, baby? That was always a nicely disturbing song and they used it in a nicely disturbing commercial. ;D
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Post by Matthew on Jan 28, 2007 23:34:35 GMT -5
*Nods vigorously* But so is Kara. And so are Sam and Dee, to a lesser extent. Yeah, but everyone else was saying "let's end this." Kara was willing to leave Sam. Sam was ready to let her go. Dee gave him the out to end all outs. One word and he ends all their misery. So, of course, he frakked it all up. Yeah, he does win the grand ol' idiot prize. But he is understandably scared, so far as the fact that Kara is... pretty much unreliably nutso.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 28, 2007 23:37:40 GMT -5
Well, Dee's already left HIM, so.... "Think about it, Lee. It's what you're best at" and that is supposed to be an insult, Kara? I'm hearing the theme song to Jaws in my head in this scene.. Bring me the ruby slippers!!!! He really is telling the truth as he sees it. And I think, at least for the part about the first attack, he's sort of right. You need intent for him to have "conspired". He was basically a dupe - a fairly stupid horn-dog, caught in his own zipper, so to speak. ;D This is what I'm sayin'! Soooo not pretty.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 28, 2007 23:42:26 GMT -5
Oh, crap, Roslin is gonna try to conjure up Moloch. Or Yahweh. So who do you get that he trusts? Caprica Six? Oh, Gaeta. **nods** Yep. Yeppidy yep yep yep. Very creepy and very effective. Uh huh. If we have to keep watching these dueling make-out sessions with longing looks over the shoulder at the true object of your love/lust? I may have to hurt someone. I know that's what Roslin seems to think. And what she's now sold the others on. But I'm not sure I buy it. ;D Gotta have the freak show continue. It's just too much fun to play with Baltar the dancing monkey. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Jan 28, 2007 23:43:07 GMT -5
Oh. And Lee Adama? Is a total frakking idiot. Word. So word.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 28, 2007 23:43:51 GMT -5
*Nods vigorously* But so is Kara. And so are Sam and Dee, to a lesser extent. I thought it interesting that their story was paralleled with Gaius and his self-deception. Yep. It was the perfect match up of conversations. Scary and icky and oh so perfect.
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Post by Lola m on Jan 28, 2007 23:48:26 GMT -5
Yeah, but everyone else was saying "let's end this." Kara was willing to leave Sam. Sam was ready to let her go. Dee gave him the out to end all outs. One word and he ends all their misery. So, of course, he frakked it all up. Yeah, he does win the grand ol' idiot prize. But he is understandably scared, so far as the fact that Kara is... pretty much unreliably nutso. Oh, lord yes. I mean, the last time it was all: "I love you!" "And I love you!" "Let's have hot sex and shout to the world that we love each other!" "Yes, let's do that. Then I'll sneak away and marry someone else while you sleep it off. Hey, come on, it'll be fun!"
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Post by Rachael on Jan 29, 2007 13:29:55 GMT -5
Oookay. Suicidal delusion, then. Damn. I kinda wanted him to be a Cylon. It would explain so much. On the other hand, keeping him human sure has some story potential. I think the jury is still out. 'Cuz he wasn't quite dead, so . . . . I think that, at this point, it'd be cowardly writing to make Baltar into a Cylon - 'cause, as they keep pointing out, that will mean he didn't betray anyone, and his only redeeming quality as a character is his guilt over participating in the genocide of his own species. Making him a Cylon will (IMO) make him boring and remove a lot of the interesting complications of his character. Now, he could still be the God of the Cylons, and that'd be interesting. But I'll be shocked if he's one of the Final Five. We should have a thread where we make predictions about who are the Final Five. Can't be the Chief or Cally, IMO. Lee is unlikely, although still possible. But since there are living humans who knew him as a child, he'd've had to have been replaced after reaching adulthood, and somehow implanted with all the memories of the real Lee.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 29, 2007 13:31:09 GMT -5
Special Destiny. Is she the Chosen One? Is her face the face D'Anna saw among the Five? Hmm. Gonna have to go visit the other thread...do we think that D'Anna really saw anything meaningful, or just what she wanted to see?
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Post by Rachael on Jan 29, 2007 13:33:57 GMT -5
Well, Dee's already left HIM, so.... "Think about it, Lee. It's what you're best at" and that is supposed to be an insult, Kara? Sometimes it is. Some people will think themselves out of what they really want. There's always a way to think your way out of being with somebody.
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Post by Onjel on Jan 29, 2007 14:07:06 GMT -5
Special Destiny. Is she the Chosen One? Is her face the face D'Anna saw among the Five? Hmm. Gonna have to go visit the other thread...do we think that D'Anna really saw anything meaningful, or just what she wanted to see? I don't know. You raised a good point over there. The vision could be different for each individual that "sees". I hadn't thought of that, but wow, how much more intriguing if that is the case. Is there even any such thing as "A Final Five"? Maybe their existence is really a myth and the vision is all a red herring? Also, the idea that the 13th Tribe, our antecedents, left a message for both human and Cylon is very interesting and would certainly bring some new issues to the relationship between the two groups.
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Post by Sara on Jan 29, 2007 14:31:45 GMT -5
I think the jury is still out. 'Cuz he wasn't quite dead, so . . . . I think that, at this point, it'd be cowardly writing to make Baltar into a Cylon - 'cause, as they keep pointing out, that will mean he didn't betray anyone, and his only redeeming quality as a character is his guilt over participating in the genocide of his own species. Making him a Cylon will (IMO) make him boring and remove a lot of the interesting complications of his character. Now, he could still be the God of the Cylons, and that'd be interesting. But I'll be shocked if he's one of the Final Five. We should have a thread where we make predictions about who are the Final Five. Can't be the Chief or Cally, IMO. Lee is unlikely, although still possible. But since there are living humans who knew him as a child, he'd've had to have been replaced after reaching adulthood, and somehow implanted with all the memories of the real Lee. Isn't it mostly Baltar who keeps saying if he's a Cylon then it means he didn't betray anyone? Besides, regardless of who or what he is Baltar believed he was human when he helped Six—and thus believed he was betraying humanity through his actions. Why else would he have been so relieved to think he was a Cylon during his little hallucination there but because he knows, deep down, that if he is human then what he did was reprehensible? I like the idea of a "Who're the Five" speculation thread. Personally, I think it'd be fun if Tigh and/or Zarek discover they're toasters.
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Post by Rachael on Jan 29, 2007 14:36:52 GMT -5
I think that, at this point, it'd be cowardly writing to make Baltar into a Cylon - 'cause, as they keep pointing out, that will mean he didn't betray anyone, and his only redeeming quality as a character is his guilt over participating in the genocide of his own species. Making him a Cylon will (IMO) make him boring and remove a lot of the interesting complications of his character. Now, he could still be the God of the Cylons, and that'd be interesting. But I'll be shocked if he's one of the Final Five. We should have a thread where we make predictions about who are the Final Five. Can't be the Chief or Cally, IMO. Lee is unlikely, although still possible. But since there are living humans who knew him as a child, he'd've had to have been replaced after reaching adulthood, and somehow implanted with all the memories of the real Lee. Isn't it mostly Baltar who keeps saying if he's a Cylon then it means he didn't betray anyone? Besides, regardless of who or what he is Baltar believed he was human when he helped Six—and thus believed he was betraying humanity through his actions. Why else would he have been so relieved to think he was a Cylon during his little hallucination there but because he knows, deep down, that if he is human then what he did was reprehensible? I like the idea of a "Who're the Five" speculation thread. Personally, I think it'd be fun if Tigh and/or Zarek discover they're toasters. See, for me, if he's a Cylon acting on a deeply buried program, then he's off the hook, morally. If he was a Cylon just acting like Baltar, well, that's different.
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Post by Sara on Jan 29, 2007 14:49:53 GMT -5
Isn't it mostly Baltar who keeps saying if he's a Cylon then it means he didn't betray anyone? Besides, regardless of who or what he is Baltar believed he was human when he helped Six—and thus believed he was betraying humanity through his actions. Why else would he have been so relieved to think he was a Cylon during his little hallucination there but because he knows, deep down, that if he is human then what he did was reprehensible? I like the idea of a "Who're the Five" speculation thread. Personally, I think it'd be fun if Tigh and/or Zarek discover they're toasters. See, for me, if he's a Cylon acting on a deeply buried program, then he's off the hook, morally. If he was a Cylon just acting like Baltar, well, that's different. That argument I could buy, actually. But absent such a compulsion, then yeah... he's just scum.
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