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Post by Karen on Feb 11, 2007 23:07:27 GMT -5
Well, on the one hand, it certainly was a stand-alone ep, in that it didn't matter that I didn't know - uh - frack - about any of the characters. On the other hand, it can't have been a very exciting ep for regular viewers, as very little seemed to have happened that was about . . . well, any arc they may have going. I don't understand about Helo's wife, because I thought that character was a human character called Boomer, not a Cylon with a different name. But I am basing that on looking up pictures for the Cuties, so I may have misinterpretted stuff. Seems like a good show; don't know if I will have the wherewithall to try to get to know it in midrun. We all thought Boomer/Sharon was a human at first - even Sharon - and especially the Chief (Tyrol - who was in the bar throwing balls), who was frakkin' her in the beginning. Then her Cylon programming kicked in. There was another copy of Sharon on the planet which was populated by Cylons after they nuked it, and when Helo was left behind - he gave up his seat on one of the rescue ships - to Baltar - he hooked up with that Sharon - who then fell in love with him, and he got her pregnant. They were later rescued - and the original Boomer/Sharon tried to kill Adama, and she was then killed by Callie - who eventually married the Chief - who was with Boomer/Sharon at the beginning. It is a might confusing, but you'll soon catch on. ;D Just concentrate on the pretty.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2007 23:11:09 GMT -5
Helo so soft spokenly saying "excuse me, excuse me, sir get your hands off me, excuse me". ;D Such a sweetie. Escalating tension between Helo and everyone. His fellow officers have already told him to back off. Doc Cottle rips him a new one when he thinks he's found something. He's even fighting with Sharon. Is a markedly higher death rate due to the other doc doing something? Or is it due to patients who don't seek treatment until way to late and then don't want to take medicine, etc.? It's intriguingly hard to pin down. Was Tigh right, is he starting to think Tigh is right about him just always having to be "on the outside"? Or is he just a guy who is always willing to look deeper, look at more than just the surface that everyone else wants to see? Dualla!! Oh, I hope she's OK, I really like Dualla. Which probably means she's a Cylon. ;D
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Post by Onjel on Feb 11, 2007 23:30:08 GMT -5
I think Dualla is a Cylon, too. Dual-la. Interesting ep with the doc offing all those people because he didn't like their race. Unfortunately, this is not out of the realm of reality as far as that goes. Same human failings different setting.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2007 23:33:02 GMT -5
Helo causes his own little riot. Trying to take Dee to Cottle against her will, ironically enough. And of course it turns out he was right and that Doc Cottle just didn't want to listen (ha! I was right about that!). The degenerating arguments of the killer doc. First he's all "why waste the time and space and meds on them, should be saved for people who won't waste it" (and of course the underlying meaning is "for people who deserve it"). Then we get a deeper reason, "I intervened because someone had to make the tough decisions" (so, it wasn't really because of the other people you could save, it was because you're the smartest one, you know the right thing and everyone else is an idiot, eh?). And ultimately, of course, he reveals what is really underneath all his arguments. They're just "worms". Very nicely done, with reflections of his feelings in Tigh and Doc Cottle - like he's a mirror for them to look into. For Tigh to see how his previous comments and way of thinking can be taken to an extreme that now he is shamed to see. And for Doc Cottle to see how he made himself blind to the truth partly just because "those people" annoyed him. And of course, it is Adama who most straight forwardly admits his own culpability and apologises. I think one of Adama's greatest strengths is the way he'll honestly face up to his own weaknesses and then actually change.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2007 23:34:32 GMT -5
That's the first time Caprica has done this - that we've seen. It's kinda shocking! As I understand it he does it cause he is infatuated/in love with Six. Is she as a Cylon gone and fallen in love with Baltar? Some versions of Six more than others, but yeah. At least, that's what I think. ;D
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Post by Onjel on Feb 11, 2007 23:35:13 GMT -5
Helo causes his own little riot. Trying to take Dee to Cottle against her will, ironically enough. And of course it turns out he was right and that Doc Cottle just didn't want to listen (ha! I was right about that!). The degenerating arguments of the killer doc. First he's all "why waste the time and space and meds on them, should be saved for people who won't waste it" (and of course the underlying meaning is "for people who deserve it"). Then we get a deeper reason, "I intervened because someone had to make the tough decisions" (so, it wasn't really because of the other people you could save, it was because you're the smartest one, you know the right thing and everyone else is an idiot, eh?). And ultimately, of course, he reveals what is really underneath all his arguments. They're just "worms". Very nicely done, with reflections of his feelings in Tigh and Doc Cottle - like he's a mirror for them to look into. For Tigh to see how his previous comments and way of thinking can be taken to an extreme that now he is shamed to see. And for Doc Cottle to see how he made himself blind to the truth partly just because "those people" annoyed him. And of course, it is Adama who most straight forwardly admits his own culpability and apologises. I think one of Adama's greatest strengths is the way he'll honestly face up to his own weaknesses and then actually change. *nods, nods, nods to all of this*
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2007 23:35:24 GMT -5
As I understand it he does it cause he is infatuated/in love with Six. Is she as a Cylon gone and fallen in love with Baltar? Ah - is a Cylon capable of falling in love? They're just robots - how can that be? One of the great questions of the series, that's for sure.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2007 23:35:52 GMT -5
Dualla, Dead? ok nevermind! ROFL Dude! They really had me scared for a moment there! ;D
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2007 23:38:20 GMT -5
And Tigh being Tigh, he probably respects him a bit more now that he hit him. Helo got respect from all sorts tonight. Helo for president! He's some nice tall drink of water. whoosh....where did that hour go? Ah, he's a lovely man, yes indeedy. So of course, he'll probably turn out to be a Cylon. ;D I've decided that my picks for "who are the final 5" will just be to pick my favorite characters and choose them. 'Cuz knowing my luck . . .
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2007 23:44:16 GMT -5
Well, on the one hand, it certainly was a stand-alone ep, in that it didn't matter that I didn't know - uh - frack - about any of the characters. On the other hand, it can't have been a very exciting ep for regular viewers, as very little seemed to have happened that was about . . . well, any arc they may have going. I don't understand about Helo's wife, because I thought that character was a human character called Boomer, not a Cylon with a different name. But I am basing that on looking up pictures for the Cuties, so I may have misinterpretted stuff. Seems like a good show; don't know if I will have the wherewithall to try to get to know it in midrun. I think it was able to stand alone, yes. But I can see hints of arc too. I mean, we got a bit of foreshadowing about the state of the fleet and Baltar's trial. But more importantly, at least to me, we saw how much buried tension still exists because of New Caprica and its occupation.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 11, 2007 23:47:14 GMT -5
I think Dualla is a Cylon, too. Dual-la. Interesting ep with the doc offing all those people because he didn't like their race. Unfortunately, this is not out of the realm of reality as far as that goes. Same human failings different setting. The name does just sort of point that way, doesn't it? Then again, now because we're all thinking she is one, she'll probably turn out not to be. The doc offing people he didn't like fit nicely with mind!Baltar and his comment to Six about just needing to care only about herself if she wanted to become human, didn't it?
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Post by Shan on Feb 12, 2007 10:25:11 GMT -5
Oh. My. God. Caprica Six has conjured up Baltar! And he's clean-shaven. That's not the first time that's happened, though, is it? I seem to remember...some other time? Meh. And I've been getting SO tired of the bearded Baltar.
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Post by Shan on Feb 12, 2007 10:38:53 GMT -5
Did anybody else watch the blurb at the end that was cut from the scene between Helo and Adama?
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Post by Shan on Feb 12, 2007 10:57:30 GMT -5
I like Helo for doing the "right thing" no matter what. He's a little raw yet, but I think he'd make a good Commander eventually. I hope Adama recognizes this in him. I also liked Helo snapping at Sharon about how he's "not just the guy who married a Cylon". Also the way he didn't let her use the "every day I have to prove myself" line which is starting to sound a little tired.
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Post by Karen on Feb 12, 2007 12:46:16 GMT -5
Did anybody else watch the blurb at the end that was cut from the scene between Helo and Adama? Yeah- what the heck was that all about? Would've made him seem less than a hero to keep it in?
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