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Post by Matthew on Mar 24, 2006 22:07:15 GMT -5
"You're cozy little world can be re-written like that!" That says a lot. And of course they end up being bad spirits. "I think it's gone a little bit wrong." No duh! I mean, Grandma killed her grandson. That's the solution, kill the living and live in the dead. And the Doctor was duped by them because he feels responsible. I love how the Ninth incarnation can go from complete goofiness to somberness to twisting fury in heartbeats: and how it all feels natural. And the fact that they were casualties of the Time War was gonna screw with his judgement about them... She might have seen her destiny from the beginning: we don't know her capabillities: and she might have known that she had to let events play out the way they did. *time travel makes my head hurt* *in a good way*
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Post by Rachael on Mar 25, 2006 20:14:03 GMT -5
Hmm. I didn't like that one as much. Kind of weak, I thought.
Though, of course, I loved the Dickens character.
And the mind-reading thing? Is rude. If you haven't asked for permission. I mean, she clearly had some level of control over what she saw - she might get the accidental peek, but all that peering into Rose's mental drawing room...you'd think a Victorian would know better.
Rose is spending too much time screaming and pounding on the wrong side of locked doors, if you ask me.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 25, 2006 21:46:16 GMT -5
Simon Callow as Dickens? Rose first step into the snow, like Armstrong's first step on the moon So, the Doctor makes Rose change, but he doesn't? Rose is 19. Huh. Zombies chasing Rose *again*.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 25, 2006 23:23:31 GMT -5
Simon Callow as Dickens? Rose first step into the snow, like Armstrong's first step on the moon Neat way to say it. Interesting, eh? ;D She's young, so . . . I guess, she's got lots to learn, but lots of enthusiasm to offer?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 26, 2006 10:36:04 GMT -5
Simon Callow as Dickens? Rose first step into the snow, like Armstrong's first step on the moon Neat way to say it. The way it was shot was similar to the way Neil Armstrong's first steps were shot.
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 13:36:00 GMT -5
"Not wrong: there's just more to learn!" I love that... Hello, Rose: this is the VICTORIAN era. She may hae' done it, but she ain't gonna TALK about it. Billie Piper has a great smile... Heh.. Rose is quick, too. Why is it that Seers always give themselves away? Perhaps just from the fact that this is the first time she's let her hair down... And she knows Rose has a bigger secret than she has. " The Big Bad Wolf"?
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 13:47:12 GMT -5
"Not wrong: there's just more to learn!" I love that... Wasn't that just lovely? I thought so, too. Perhaps, but more importantly, it's something we need to hear. Well, quite.
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 13:53:29 GMT -5
"I love a happy medium" So, Charlie, ya gonna dismiss that as a knee-squeezed accordian? Crap... so the Time War destroyed them, too? The Gelph? "Why not? It's like recycling!" Heh.... don't try to lie to a psychic. "No chance you were going to say "Gazebo" was there?" Yes, Mr Dickens is watching his belief system being undermined, not usually a fun thing for people. Of course, it leads to his redemption in the ep. If only the real Dickens had met someone like the Doctor, at the end of his life. In the final moments of the Time War space convulsed and planets were destroyed. But why does the Doctor feel so guilty about it?
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 13:57:27 GMT -5
I can't believe he just said that either. ;D Ohhhhhhh . . . . they're victims of the Time War . . .. It could save them . . . . or could it? Can they sustain life in another body? Or would they be stuck re-living the faint memories of the dead? "It's very clear in your head. You think I'm stupid." Ouch. But Rose is just doing what lots of people do - assume everyone in the past is stupider than people now. And assume that a woman, a servant, someone who only went to school once a week, has to somehow be "stupider". But that's not a difference in intelligence, that's just different schooling or experiences. All my reading tells me that people during recorded history have always been as intelligent as they are today, speculating on the same dilemas and issues. I've often thought that the idea of respecting cultural differences should be applied to the past. It is a bit odd that we have a tendency to judge people by the criteria of our time rather than their own.
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 13:59:17 GMT -5
Time being in flux.... "Bridgehead" is not a good wo...whoops. Oh crap. Somebody slap Sneed. "I think he's gon a little bit wrong" Poor Charlie!!! It would come through the doorknocker... Yer looped, Rosie. you can die quite easily. "In a dungeon! In Cardiff!!" Awww! Handholding!!!! "I hope that the theory will be validated soon" Hee!! Lucifers? Ahyup. She was persistant, Gwynneth was. and one of my favorite Shakespeare quotes.. Mine, too. I'm guessing this doesn't surprise you. ;D
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 14:05:10 GMT -5
"You're cozy little world can be re-written like that!" That says a lot. And of course they end up being bad spirits. "I think it's gone a little bit wrong." No duh! I mean, Grandma killed her grandson. That's the solution, kill the living and live in the dead. And the Doctor was duped by them because he feels responsible.Rose gets a lesson in the twistyness of time - nicely explained, actually. "I hope that the theory will be validated soon. If not immediately." I just love Mr. Dickens. ;D Gwynneth was expecting to sacrifice herself for others. That's probably what she always figured she'd do. And so, yeah, she saved the world. Good episode! That's key, I think. The Doctor should have at least considered the possibility that the Gelph were a threat, but he doesn't, because he feels responsible for what's happened to them. So, from this and the reaction of the Nestene Consciousness, we begin to see that the Ninth Doctor may have more than the death of the Time Lords to bear.
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 14:07:20 GMT -5
"Quite literally post-haste." ;D I love it! He's all rejuvenated and excited about life and writing again. Do they last? Oh yes! For how long? Forever. Awww. That's lovely too. And in the end, Dickens is Scrooge! Perfect! Well, of course. He is also the unquiet dead: "But in your time he was already dead, and we've brought him back to life."
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 14:07:59 GMT -5
"Edwin Drood and the Blue Elementals" Hee! and aww... *nods*
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 14:13:10 GMT -5
I love how the Ninth incarnation can go from complete goofiness to somberness to twisting fury in heartbeats: and how it all feels natural. And the fact that they were casualties of the Time War was gonna screw with his judgement about them... Yes, it's one of his interesting characteristics: that he will bizarrely shift between emotions, with apparently no transition. As for the Time War, eetah. I never thought of that. You may be right - there was a certain fatalism about her.
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Post by Riff on Mar 26, 2006 14:20:44 GMT -5
Hmm. I didn't like that one as much. Kind of weak, I thought. Though, of course, I loved the Dickens character. I'm a but surprised by that, as I thought this was more of a traditional Doctor Who narrative, what with the scaries and Victoriana. Simon Callow has played Dickens on many occassions on stage (I've seen him). He's also appeared on television, recreating the author's famous public readings. Well, a Victorian should certainly know better about telling someone she's doing it. You can't argue with tradition. ;D We see plenty of Rose in non-screaming-and-pounding-on-the-wrong-side-of-doors action.
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