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Post by Rachael on Apr 29, 2006 11:24:54 GMT -5
"Watson, come here, I need you." On your phone? Is not a good thing!! All the time is mooshing together! The same car keeps trying to kill him so it can "set time right", maybe? Very "Final Destination" of it, I thought.
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Post by Rachael on Apr 29, 2006 11:27:48 GMT -5
Um. Something tells me it's not gonna be as easy as "here's a battery, bob's your uncle". And I don't think the Doctor really thinks it's gonna be that easy. Making up stories about your dad to tell your dad? Don't make them too unrealistic, Rose. He won't buy a "him" that's your fantasy daddy. Yup. He figured out that he's really dead. As the dad, it's his job to take the blame. Oh you stupid cow!!! Didn't he say, don't touch the baby! Yes, thank you! Those were exactly the words I was searching for!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 29, 2006 23:05:54 GMT -5
Something tells me, he's got to go out there and get smacked by a car to make this better. Ah, he's figuring it out. She's your daughter, time is wonky. Awww. Sweet moment with the getting married couple. I like that - "who says you're not important?". Like, the story is taking a moment to acknowledge that in RL, all the "characters" are important. Life doesn't have main characters and walk ons. Heeeee! Mickey. ;D Grabbin' on to Rose. Baby!Rose looks rather shocked/offended at all that's going on. ;D ;D ;D The Time Lords would have fixed this. But you're a Time Lord, so it's up to you Doctor. Hey! Glowy key thing! I was about to say just how much I loved that moment. Julia, there's a look of recognition, there It is a very distinctly "knowing" kind of look for a baby to have, isn't it?
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Post by Lola m on Apr 29, 2006 23:11:49 GMT -5
Interesting: two sets of Rose and the Doctor Ah, this could be interesting. What effect does Rose's father's not dying have? This is kind of Back to the Future, no? An ordinary man; that's the most important thing in the world Wow, the TARDIS is gone. Didn't see that one coming. Better to have the stories than the man himself? The older something is, the stronger it is. I thought that was very interesting. Like, the longer something exists, the more . . . solid it is, in time. Reminds me of the artifacts in some of Andre Norton's Forerunner stories - they build up a kind of power or energy the longer they exist and that beings use them for rituals etc. I really liked how smart he was. Smarter than people gave him credit for usually, I got the impression. The Doctor seemed to be explaining it as not just the changing of events but the fact that multiple instances of he and Rose were there when the event was changed. My only guess would be . . . like . . . maybe they created multiple strands of time overlapping there at that one moment and place? And so it was extra vulnerable to going pear-shaped if something was also changed? Um. Or something like that.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 29, 2006 23:12:22 GMT -5
I was about to say just how much I loved that moment. Julia, there's a look of recognition, there Cute baby! The scene when Jackie recognizes the grown-up Rose was so well done - great acting all around. **nod nod nod** Very nice acting.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 29, 2006 23:14:56 GMT -5
That was - ahem - fantastic. Of COURSE the marriage wasn't what she was brought up to believe it was. Having witnessed this firsthand, I saw it coming - he was a bad husband, they didn't get along, probably would have divorced eventually if he hadn't died. But then, they die, and you forget all the bad stuff, or at least make it seem far less bad. Poor Rose. Never stopped to consider what her parents' marriage might really have been like. Yep. Wanted so badly to believe in the fantasy that she just looked right past any other clues that might have come her way. 'Cuz I can't believe that over the years other relatives or friends wouldn't every have accidentally let a few truths slip out when she was around. Rose, Rose, Rose. Really! I mean, first the saving of dad and then just taking the baby right off. Oy!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 29, 2006 23:15:41 GMT -5
Um. Something tells me it's not gonna be as easy as "here's a battery, bob's your uncle". And I don't think the Doctor really thinks it's gonna be that easy. Making up stories about your dad to tell your dad? Don't make them too unrealistic, Rose. He won't buy a "him" that's your fantasy daddy. Yup. He figured out that he's really dead. As the dad, it's his job to take the blame. Oh you stupid cow!!! Didn't he say, don't touch the baby! Yes, thank you! Those were exactly the words I was searching for! ;D
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Post by Riff on May 1, 2006 14:39:22 GMT -5
Your wish is my command; but be careful what you wish for. How appropriate that I was just watching my DVR'd Buffy ep "The Wish". Of all the things in the past to visit? I don't think it would be the moment of a loved one's death. And now she's changed the future. I'll agree. I think one reason Rose wanted to go back was so her father wouldn't die alone. The idea wasn't so much to visit a loved one's death as to ease it. That's my guess, at any rate.
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Post by Riff on May 1, 2006 14:47:50 GMT -5
The Doctor is not pleased with you, Rose. Wasn't it some big plan, Rose? Perhaps it was a small, subconscious plan though, wasn't it? It's not like I changed history. But you did. Of course, the Doctor does it all the time. I mean, if you zip back and forth in time all the time, well, then anything you do that's not at the exact end of time is, well, probably changing history. Right? **has confused self very much now** There is not there!! But this was different because there were two of them there, so the moment is vulnerable. Heh. Rose is gonna learn a few things she maybe won't like about Dad and Mum. Ooooh!! Tardis within a Tardis within a . . .
That's freaky, but cool.Russian TARDISes! Just think how many one could get in there... ;D The Doctor, as he said, knows what he's doing. Time Lords have a perception of time; they actually sense it in the same way we "see" light and "hear" vibration. Until recently, it wasn't really an issue, because the Blinovitch limitation effect (a time traveller in the past was always a part of the events in that past) prevented a permanent change in history. However, the destruction of Gallifrey means that the Eye of Harmony, which kept one fixed history in place, is gone. So, time is now in flux.
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Post by Riff on May 1, 2006 14:52:10 GMT -5
Mickey!!!!!!!!!! And time-travel loop stories always confuse hell out of me. Me, too. I wonder if that means that time travel into the past is impossible, or if our linear minds just can't cope with something they're not adapted to understand?
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Post by Riff on May 1, 2006 14:58:44 GMT -5
Something tells me, he's got to go out there and get smacked by a car to make this better. Ah, he's figuring it out. She's your daughter, time is wonky. Awww. Sweet moment with the getting married couple. I like that - "who says you're not important?". Like, the story is taking a moment to acknowledge that in RL, all the "characters" are important. Life doesn't have main characters and walk ons.I loved that moment, too. The Doctor's admiration for a normal life was both telling and believable, I thought. Also, it fits with the theme that ordinary people are the most important thing in the world. As we see, the very ordinary Peter faces up to his terrible responsibility at the end and saves everyone, the Doctor included. *laughs* As if he didn't have enough on his shoulder already.
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Post by Riff on May 1, 2006 15:00:58 GMT -5
Mickey grabbing onto her legs and hanging on for dear life! "I think I just imprinted on him like a mother chicken" hee!! Yeah, you may find that behavior a bit vexing in years to come... Hell of a place for a cut. In "Rose", I think he ends up on the floor, grabbing her legs in fright. ;D
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Post by Riff on May 1, 2006 15:04:08 GMT -5
CREEPY!!! with the "Watson, come here, I need you" It was rather eerie, wasn't it? Just wait until next week...
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Post by Riff on May 1, 2006 15:05:11 GMT -5
Your wish is my command; but be careful what you wish for. How appropriate that I was just watching my DVR'd Buffy ep "The Wish". Of all the things in the past to visit? I don't think it would be the moment of a loved one's death. And now she's changed the future. No, that wouldn't have been my first choice. I just love the snarking between Jackie and The Doctor. ;D
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Post by Riff on May 1, 2006 15:08:10 GMT -5
He knows she's lying her arse off.... "You never let us down" and he sees it's bs. But she's telling him the truth, really: the version Jackie made of him, didn't. He lived on in her stories, and became the best dad ever. *sigh* "Don't touch that key, or ZAP!" Pete is a smart man: "I'm your dad: it's my job for it to be my fault" Whoopsie!!!!!!!!!!!!! On the handing the baby Rose to the older Rose. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!! It ate the doctor and blowed up the TARDIS!!!!!!!!! yeek!!!!!! And Pete sees redemption squealing around the corner in a loop. Music change: he's made up his mind on what he has to do. But what good is a redemption if one isn't around to enjoy it? ;D Also, why did the car keep appearing? More to the point, how did the car relocate so it was looping outside the church? I suppose these things just happen when time is messed with.
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