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Post by Riff on Dec 10, 2006 11:36:53 GMT -5
Oh, very nicely put and cleverly Buffyverse compared. It was definitely darker than The Zeppo. Or at least more obviously darker than The Zeppo (which has its own subversive element underneath). But sort of the same idea. Taking a character within the show to . . . step outside and look at the show from the audience's perspective. I was thinking it was more like Storyteller, especially with the video camera, personal interpretation of events, etc. And I thought it was especially interesting that it worked well even with a character we had never seen before. Yes, that has a similar feel somehow. Andrew's and Elton's "alienated outsider" status probably adds to it.
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Post by Riff on Dec 10, 2006 11:37:35 GMT -5
OK, was it just me, or did the Absorblamoff's accent make anyone else think of Mike Myers as Fat Bastard? I thought it was considerate of him to wear a loin cloth. Me, too. Thank God for small mercies!
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Post by Rachael on Dec 10, 2006 11:41:16 GMT -5
Some people have NO sense of humor. They should watch "Free Enterprise" and "Galaxy Quest" and get over themselves. If only it was so simple. These individuals are people with serious personality disorders. I've met some of them, and they're genuinely scary. Also, they're the kind of DW fans who have a tribalistic hatred of Star Trek. And Star Wars. *sigh* Well, there's crazies everywhere. Just ask the guy who chats with himself at my bus stop. I do the fangirl squee as well as anyone, but I have to draw the line at creating inner lives for the characters separate from canon, and then spewing vitriol at anyone who disagrees. Says States The Obvious Girl. WHY would you want the man celibate, for example? Is he a holy figure? (And, for the record, I've never understood the need for holy figures to be celibate. Comes of not thinking sex=dirty.) Or does it just increase the mystique of the suffering traveler? Boy, they must have loved it when his entire planet was destroyed. Talk about your loneliness. I always HOPED he was getting some with the occasional companion. I mean, 900 years and no sex? That's gotta bite....
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Post by Riff on Dec 10, 2006 11:59:51 GMT -5
If only it was so simple. These individuals are people with serious personality disorders. I've met some of them, and they're genuinely scary. Also, they're the kind of DW fans who have a tribalistic hatred of Star Trek. And Star Wars. *sigh* Well, there's crazies everywhere. Just ask the guy who chats with himself at my bus stop. Or the man who used to video tape buses arriving at the bus stop outside my house. He was obviously a "bus enthusiast" with the same kind of issues as those DW fans. Imagine him going home at night and gloating over his bus videos... *double shiver* *laughs* It's very likely to be narcissistic projection. The characters and the show have to reflect these fans' inner lives, I suppose. If they had the Doctor doing something outrageously out of character (and this was never resolved) I could understand some anger. But to insist a character must be the same as a fan's personal interpretation is as loopy as it is impractical and unfair. Again, it's all a bit odd. In a religious context, the idea (other than idiotic "morality") is that the sex drive is sublimated into something spiritual, but there are just as many examples of erotic mystics, in which sexuality is claimed to be spiritual in itself. I honestly don't know why the Doctor has to be seen this way, but to people who do think like this, it's as obvious as gravity. I used to think it was simple childhood memory, that the thought of him having sex was about as appealing as the thought of one's parents having sex, but now I'm more inclined to think that it is some sort of personality fault in those fans who react to the idea so violently. As the Ninth Doctor says in "The Doctor Dances", "Nine hundred years old, me. I've been around. I think you can assume at some point I've 'danced'." ;D
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Post by Lola m on Dec 10, 2006 18:51:57 GMT -5
Oh, very nicely put and cleverly Buffyverse compared. It was definitely darker than The Zeppo. Or at least more obviously darker than The Zeppo (which has its own subversive element underneath). But sort of the same idea. Taking a character within the show to . . . step outside and look at the show from the audience's perspective. I was thinking it was more like Storyteller, especially with the video camera, personal interpretation of events, etc. And I thought it was especially interesting that it worked well even with a character we had never seen before. Excellent comparison. Definitely more apt. And, like Storyteller, we don't really know how much of what Elton is saying is just his version of the events, how much is really real. Really, the only Zeppo-like part was at the start, the whole French farce-like bit with the monster and the different buckets and the Doctor and Rose running in and out of all sorts of doors. Had a Zeppo feel, like when Xander comes in on Angel and Buffy being all dramatic and angsty, or when he's watching them fighting the hellmouth beasty while busy with his own stuff. Had that element of "the action and so on looks very different from an outside/non-involved perspective".
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Dec 11, 2006 9:37:47 GMT -5
I was thinking it was more like Storyteller, especially with the video camera, personal interpretation of events, etc. And I thought it was especially interesting that it worked well even with a character we had never seen before. Excellent comparison. Definitely more apt. And, like Storyteller, we don't really know how much of what Elton is saying is just his version of the events, how much is really real. Really, the only Zeppo-like part was at the start, the whole French farce-like bit with the monster and the different buckets and the Doctor and Rose running in and out of all sorts of doors. Had a Zeppo feel, like when Xander comes in on Angel and Buffy being all dramatic and angsty, or when he's watching them fighting the hellmouth beasty while busy with his own stuff. Had that element of "the action and so on looks very different from an outside/non-involved perspective". Oh, OK. I see the connection now.
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