2.12: Army of Ghosts

[Rachael]

lolam said:

ehills said:

Part II



Hee! The Doctor really has the backpack and everything.

This group is creating the ghosts.

I really liked the phrase the Doctor used, about a footprint not being a boot. Fits more than just the "ghosts".



Interesting, that. Because I don't agree with Jackie that she was becoming less human. Heck, the whole curiosity thing, wanting to explore, do things, etc. is what attracts the Doctor to humanity. So, really, wanting to keep exploring is very human. Plus, another big part is that she loves him and wants to be with him, which is also quintessentially human. And love and emoption is also a part of what attracts the Doctor to humans (and that perhaps he envies a bit?).

Completely agree. Jackie was being...well (as you're about to say), Mom. She didn't want Rose to grow up, or at least not in a way that takes her away from her mum. But Rose is still Rose - this IS who she is. If she's wandering through a market on some planet lightyears from Earth, she's still Rose Tyler.

[Lola m]

ehills said:

lolam said:

Ooooh, I totally thought of that too!! Of course, I've always thought those phone ear clip things looked . . . odd. And ever since the Cybermen ear bud ep, when I see someone wearing one of those I've had a little giggle in my head and been tempted to warn them! ;D

Hee!

I've always wanted one of those too, provided that they really fit well into your ear without hurting, of which I am very skeptical.

And provided they won't take over your brain, right? ;D

For some reason, they always look like they'd be ouchie or uncomfortable to me, but then that's probably because my mental image is that they are somehow clipped to you, like with clothespins or something.

Well, and I have issues about things going into my ears.

[Lola m]

ehills said:

lolam said:

Interesting, that. Because I don't agree with Jackie that she was becoming less human. Heck, the whole curiosity thing, wanting to explore, do things, etc. is what attracts the Doctor to humanity. So, really, wanting to keep exploring is very human. Plus, another big part is that she loves him and wants to be with him, which is also quintessentially human. And love and emoption is also a part of what attracts the Doctor to humans (and that perhaps he envies a bit?).

Jackie seemed like she was being also very human, and being very much like a parent. What she didn't like was that Rose was going off on her own - making her own life, away. And yes, it's dangerous and may mean she might not see her again and of course Jackie doesn't want that. (Heck, Rose doesn't want to never see her again.)

Huh. So, I guess traveling with the Doctor could be a metaphor for growing up. Kinda. 'Cuz the Doctor is a lot like a big kid sometimes. ;D

Jackie's comment about Rose made think about Ender's constant traveling in Speaker for the Dead and Andrew's efforts to be human in Becentennial Man. The question of what makes one human is one of the fundamental questions that Sci Fi addresses. I think what Jackie is saying is that if Rose keeps traveling with the Doctor, eventually, she'll be "In the world, but not of it" and that this tie to earth and other people is essential to being human. Actually, you see Buffy have this same issue as well.

What you bring up about curiousity being a human trait makes me think about the paradox of astronaut selection: the ideal astronaut is some one who has strong ties to the world, but is willing to give all that up and leave earth.

Ties to the world, but willing to leave . . .

Cool way to express it. Very Buffy.

[Lola m]

rachael said:

lolam said:

I really liked the phrase the Doctor used, about a footprint not being a boot. Fits more than just the "ghosts".



Interesting, that. Because I don't agree with Jackie that she was becoming less human. Heck, the whole curiosity thing, wanting to explore, do things, etc. is what attracts the Doctor to humanity. So, really, wanting to keep exploring is very human. Plus, another big part is that she loves him and wants to be with him, which is also quintessentially human. And love and emoption is also a part of what attracts the Doctor to humans (and that perhaps he envies a bit?).

Completely agree. Jackie was being...well (as you're about to say), Mom. She didn't want Rose to grow up, or at least not in a way that takes her away from her mum. But Rose is still Rose - this IS who she is. If she's wandering through a market on some planet lightyears from Earth, she's still Rose Tyler.

**nods**

[Spaced Out Looney]

lolam said:

ehills said:

Hee!

I've always wanted one of those too, provided that they really fit well into your ear without hurting, of which I am very skeptical.

And provided they won't take over your brain, right? ;D

For some reason, they always look like they'd be ouchie or uncomfortable to me, but then that's probably because my mental image is that they are somehow clipped to you, like with clothespins or something.

Well, and I have issues about things going into my ears.

Well, yeah. But mostly what concerns me is that every ear bud style of headphones I've ever tried either fell out of my ears or really hurt them. Oh what I'd give for a pair that fit right. Also, them not breaking if they were manhandled would also be a plus.