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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Dec 27, 2006 19:09:04 GMT -5
Coda The Doctor calling across the void? Burning up a sun just to say good-bye. Norway. Bad Wolf Bay. Rose is getting a little sibling. Aw... Working in the shop again. Ah, the Torchwood shop. Neat. One adventure I can never have. Same old life. On his own. I love you. -Quite right, too. He never gets a chance to say it! If that's what he was going to say. Poor Rose. #comfort# Poor Doctor. #comfort# WTF?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Dec 27, 2006 19:09:38 GMT -5
Wow. Great episode. Great season finale. I found these two seasons taken together to be a very satisfying story-arc.
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Post by Onjel on Dec 28, 2006 0:13:08 GMT -5
Right there with ya. *sigh*
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Post by Riff on Jan 2, 2007 13:26:36 GMT -5
Sara bawling like a baby? Check... But she's alive and still fighting the good fight, at least. As a matter of fact, (yet another) spin off was planned called Rose Tyler: Defender of the Earth. This would have been aimed at younger children. It was scheduled and budgeted, but RTD eventually decided that it would be a mistake to show Rose not needing the Doctor emotionally. So, we have The Sarah Jane Smith Adventures instead.
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Post by Riff on Jan 2, 2007 13:32:34 GMT -5
That is likely to be the closest the show will ever get to tragedy. RTD said in an interview after "Doomsday" that there was never any question of killing Rose off. He simply wouldn't do that to kids. DW can deal with dark and adult issues but must ultimately be positive and optimistic. He's rather less restrained in Torchwood. The introduction of the bride at the end is really there to stop the Doctor from brooding. Since the next ep is the Christmas special, it's a good idea to have him too busy for a lot of brooding!
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Post by Riff on Jan 2, 2007 13:33:17 GMT -5
Wow. Great episode. Great season finale. I found these two seasons taken together to be a very satisfying story-arc. Me, too. So, where next?
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Post by Riff on Jan 2, 2007 13:55:47 GMT -5
Crap. Daleks. I HATE these guys. I was just thinking how much better a job the Doctor did of eliminating his OWN people than he did of eliminating the Daleks. Also that at least he did better by Rose than he did by Sarah Jane. At least Rose got a real goodbye, with a firm "You'll never see me again." *sigh* Shouldn't get so attached to them, dammit. They're so fleeting and fragile, humans. It'd be easier to think of them as pets. Except for the part where your own people are all gone. You may remember that in the first ep of this season ("New Earth"), the Face of Bo tells the Doctor that they will meet one final time and that he will give the Doctor a four-word message. The 2006 DW album, penned by RTD, concludes the Ninth Doctor's bio with: "And far away, across the universe, on the planet Crafe Tec Heydra, one side of a mountain carries carvings and heiroglyphs, crude representations of an invisible war. The artwork shows two races clashing, one metal, one flesh; a fearsome explosion; and a solitary survivor walking from the wreckage. Solitary? Perhaps not. Under this figure a phrase has been scratched in the stone, which translates as: you are not alone..." I'm just saying. ;D
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Post by Karen on Jan 2, 2007 20:17:07 GMT -5
I was just thinking how much better a job the Doctor did of eliminating his OWN people than he did of eliminating the Daleks. Also that at least he did better by Rose than he did by Sarah Jane. At least Rose got a real goodbye, with a firm "You'll never see me again." *sigh* Shouldn't get so attached to them, dammit. They're so fleeting and fragile, humans. It'd be easier to think of them as pets. Except for the part where your own people are all gone. You may remember that in the first ep of this season ("New Earth"), the Face of Bo tells the Doctor that they will meet one final time and that he will give the Doctor a four-word message. The 2006 DW album, penned by RTD, concludes the Ninth Doctor's bio with: "And far away, across the universe, on the planet Crafe Tec Heydra, one side of a mountain carries carvings and heiroglyphs, crude representations of an invisible war. The artwork shows two races clashing, one metal, one flesh; a fearsome explosion; and a solitary survivor walking from the wreckage. Solitary? Perhaps not. Under this figure a phrase has been scratched in the stone, which translates as: you are not alone..." I'm just saying. ;D Interesting. There's been many instances in the past 2 seasons where The Doctor tells others how he is the last one of his race. Makes sense that he'll be proven wrong. Cool.
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Post by Queen E on Jan 3, 2007 6:45:08 GMT -5
That is likely to be the closest the show will ever get to tragedy. RTD said in an interview after "Doomsday" that there was never any question of killing Rose off. He simply wouldn't do that to kids. DW can deal with dark and adult issues but must ultimately be positive and optimistic. He's rather less restrained in Torchwood. The introduction of the bride at the end is really there to stop the Doctor from brooding. Since the next ep is the Christmas special, it's a good idea to have him too busy for a lot of brooding! And it's strange, because I actually think the whole "trapped on parallel worlds" thing is actually more tragic than if either of them had died. It's a whole world that looks exactly like hers, except there is no possibility of seeing The Doctor again. On the other hand, it's an excellent metaphor for standing on her own; with no possibility of "outside magic" she'll have to create her own. And, even better, the fact that he cannot show up again means that she won't be "waiting" her whole life for the sound of the TARDIS.
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Post by Riff on Jan 3, 2007 7:23:31 GMT -5
That is likely to be the closest the show will ever get to tragedy. RTD said in an interview after "Doomsday" that there was never any question of killing Rose off. He simply wouldn't do that to kids. DW can deal with dark and adult issues but must ultimately be positive and optimistic. He's rather less restrained in Torchwood. The introduction of the bride at the end is really there to stop the Doctor from brooding. Since the next ep is the Christmas special, it's a good idea to have him too busy for a lot of brooding! And it's strange, because I actually think the whole "trapped on parallel worlds" thing is actually more tragic than if either of them had died. It's a whole world that looks exactly like hers, except there is no possibility of seeing The Doctor again. On the other hand, it's an excellent metaphor for standing on her own; with no possibility of "outside magic" she'll have to create her own. And, even better, the fact that he cannot show up again means that she won't be "waiting" her whole life for the sound of the TARDIS. It's rather like the end of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. Except that the rules of imagined worlds can change. Perhaps she will keep out half an ear for the sound of the TARDIS. Also, is there a parallel Doctor? Perhaps the Time Lords even survived the Time War in the parallel universe. Perhaps there are no Daleks, etc. Or perhaps the Time War crossed all boundaries. After all, the Daleks survived by retreating to the "void" between universes. This might be higher dimensional space. Otherwise, outside of a universe there is no space and hence no void; also there would be no time (the natural habitat of a creature like the Beast?) Perhaps this "void" is timeless and so is immune from the Time War. And that's quite enough pseudo-science fanboy ramblings for one day.
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Post by Onjel on Jan 3, 2007 9:38:18 GMT -5
And it's strange, because I actually think the whole "trapped on parallel worlds" thing is actually more tragic than if either of them had died. It's a whole world that looks exactly like hers, except there is no possibility of seeing The Doctor again. On the other hand, it's an excellent metaphor for standing on her own; with no possibility of "outside magic" she'll have to create her own. And, even better, the fact that he cannot show up again means that she won't be "waiting" her whole life for the sound of the TARDIS. It's rather like the end of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. Except that the rules of imagined worlds can change. Perhaps she will keep out half an ear for the sound of the TARDIS. Also, is there a parallel Doctor? Perhaps the Time Lords even survived the Time War in the parallel universe. Perhaps there are no Daleks, etc. Or perhaps the Time War crossed all boundaries. After all, the Daleks survived by retreating to the "void" between universes. This might be higher dimensional space. Otherwise, outside of a universe there is no space and hence no void; also there would be no time (the natural habitat of a creature like the Beast?) Perhaps this "void" is timeless and so is immune from the Time War. And that's quite enough pseudo-science fanboy ramblings for one day. *head explodes*
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 17:44:08 GMT -5
Sara bawling like a baby? Check... **pets Sara** **realises that this is waaaaay after the fact and thus, a tad inappropriate, not to mention sort of pointless** ;D **pets anyway, 'cuz it's all virtual so why not** And by the end of the ep, I'm seeing the double meaning to each of her opening announcements. Story of how she died? Well, yes, she's listed as dead on old Earth now, so . . . . Last story I'll ever tell? Well, yes, because she's not traveling with the Doctor so we won't hear about her life in the alt universe now, so . . .
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 17:45:46 GMT -5
Not to mention the part about being at his wedding. Meanwhile, as I just said to Onjel, the ark was, of course, the gun that appears in the first act--you know it'll be fired by the third. Speaking of weddings...who the heck is the new anti-Rose? Heeeee! ;D Gosh. If Rose and anti-Rose were to meet, would we get "boom"?
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 17:52:31 GMT -5
Crap. Daleks. I HATE these guys. Dude! And yet, it was (to me) hysterically funny to watch the Cybermen and Daleks being all "I can out mechanically shout you" and so on. From the moment that "together, we could upgrade the world" was shot down (I knew the Daleks would never go for it), I found each exchange between them to be some of the funniest TV Evah! The matching "establish visual link" and "identify" comments. Followed by dueling "delete, delete" and "exterminate, exterminate". ;D We are 5 million, we will destroy you. We are 4 and we will still destroy you. All the puffed up mechanical posturing that Rose gets to deflate with her "5 million Cybermen. Easy. 1 Doctor. Now you're scared!". Mickey's "it's like Steven Hawking meets the talking clock" comment. ;D ;D Funny!!
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 17:55:51 GMT -5
Part I The UK has Homeland Security too? Wow, they plungered him to death. They... sucked the heat out of him? the water? **snortle** I know I shouldn't, but I sort giggled over that one and I said the exact same thing. Plungered to death! Eeeek! And so of course, because one of the bad guys says this, one of the main things we learn from the ep is that emotions also save. Save lives because we care enough about others to save them. Like Pete jumping in just in time to save Rose and take her to the other universe. Yup. Mickey the resistance fighter.
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