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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 17:56:48 GMT -5
Crap. Daleks. I HATE these guys. I was just thinking how much better a job the Doctor did of eliminating his OWN people than he did of eliminating the Daleks. Also that at least he did better by Rose than he did by Sarah Jane. At least Rose got a real goodbye, with a firm "You'll never see me again." *sigh* Shouldn't get so attached to them, dammit. They're so fleeting and fragile, humans. It'd be easier to think of them as pets. Maybe if you had a clipboard, it would help.  **nods** |
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 17:59:25 GMT -5
Part II How convenient that the Dalek would volunteer that information. The Time Lords built it. That's all that's left of the Doctor's homeworld. The Doctor didn't think anything would do it. The Golden Age again. And Harriet Jones. I knew you when you were dead. Now here you are, fighting alone. Reuniting Peter and Jackie. Anything to identify it? -Yes! A fire extinguisher! #rofl1# #rofl1# So Rose is going to unleash some Bad Wolf mojo again? How did the Doctor survive the Time War? He was there at the fall of Arcadia. Cult of Skaro. A special ops unit. That was a very interesting thing to me. That the Daleks did understand, at the "highest" level, so to speak, that innovation and creativity were needed. They contained it, isolated it, kept it from the other Daleks even - but they knew they needed it. Part of why they keep managing to hold on, I guess. And why they are a more dangerous enemy than the Cybermen. |
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 18:06:00 GMT -5
Part IV Now he's got me. It's the Torchwood chick. Who still has her own will after being turned? I wondered if . . . if, like she had subsumed so much of her emotion into the idea of duty so that they weren't able to remove her concept of duty when they "removed" her emotion, maybe? If I am making any sense at all. Also, I wondered if she kind of imprinted herself by repeating the phrase over and over while they turned her into a Cyberwomanthing. Loved the moment when they each had their hands on the wall that had been the portal into the other universe. Made me think of Buffy and Spike with a hand on either side of the crypt door in Dead Things.  And how sad, but how . . . . true to character, that she says "I love you" to him, but he only says "my last chance to say . . . Rose Tyler . . ." and then he's gone.   |
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 18:08:18 GMT -5
Wow. Great episode. Great season finale. I found these two seasons taken together to be a very satisfying story-arc. **nods** Excellently well done! So good I have no problem with the one or two "oh yeah right" moments. Like Rose and the Doctor being able to hold on while the Daleks and so on are all (well, except for that sneaky one) sucked into the void.  |
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 18:09:22 GMT -5
Sara bawling like a baby? Check... But she's alive and still fighting the good fight, at least. As a matter of fact, (yet another) spin off was planned called Rose Tyler: Defender of the Earth. This would have been aimed at younger children. It was scheduled and budgeted, but RTD eventually decided that it would be a mistake to show Rose not needing the Doctor emotionally. So, we have The Sarah Jane Smith Adventures instead.  Either one sounds very fun. But "Rose Tyler: Defender of the Earth" is a cooler title. |
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 18:11:24 GMT -5
That is likely to be the closest the show will ever get to tragedy. RTD said in an interview after "Doomsday" that there was never any question of killing Rose off. He simply wouldn't do that to kids. DW can deal with dark and adult issues but must ultimately be positive and optimistic. He's rather less restrained in Torchwood. The introduction of the bride at the end is really there to stop the Doctor from brooding. Since the next ep is the Christmas special, it's a good idea to have him too busy for a lot of brooding! And it's strange, because I actually think the whole "trapped on parallel worlds" thing is actually more tragic than if either of them had died. It's a whole world that looks exactly like hers, except there is no possibility of seeing The Doctor again. On the other hand, it's an excellent metaphor for standing on her own; with no possibility of "outside magic" she'll have to create her own. And, even better, the fact that he cannot show up again means that she won't be "waiting" her whole life for the sound of the TARDIS. **nods to both of these** Although, I can see it being not as tragic feeling to children. It's a . . . more sophisticated tragedy, perhaps. |
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Post by Lola m on Jan 17, 2007 18:12:56 GMT -5
And it's strange, because I actually think the whole "trapped on parallel worlds" thing is actually more tragic than if either of them had died. It's a whole world that looks exactly like hers, except there is no possibility of seeing The Doctor again. On the other hand, it's an excellent metaphor for standing on her own; with no possibility of "outside magic" she'll have to create her own. And, even better, the fact that he cannot show up again means that she won't be "waiting" her whole life for the sound of the TARDIS. It's rather like the end of A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. Except that the rules of imagined worlds can change. Perhaps she will keep out half an ear for the sound of the TARDIS. Also, is there a parallel Doctor? Perhaps the Time Lords even survived the Time War in the parallel universe. Perhaps there are no Daleks, etc. Or perhaps the Time War crossed all boundaries. After all, the Daleks survived by retreating to the "void" between universes. This might be higher dimensional space. Otherwise, outside of a universe there is no space and hence no void; also there would be no time (the natural habitat of a creature like the Beast?) Perhaps this "void" is timeless and so is immune from the Time War. And that's quite enough pseudo-science fanboy ramblings for one day. Well, yes, that's the lovely and scary and awesome thing about parallel / alternate worlds, isn't it? All the different good and bad and weird possibilities all exist somewhere. |
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Post by Rachael on Jan 17, 2007 20:56:41 GMT -5
BTW, I showed this to Dave, finally, and his only response was:
"This is why you say the important things FIRST when you know you're running out of time! Idiot!"
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