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Post by Onjel on Jul 13, 2007 20:54:07 GMT -5
I can't remember, does this event inspire the writing of the three witches in Macbeth? ;D
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Post by Lola m on Jul 13, 2007 21:44:30 GMT -5
My babbly first thoughts. Squeeeee! Lots of fun and jokes and scary villians and adorable man-on-man flirting. Plus, I'm right there with the Doctor when he says "Oh, Martha Jones, I like you". ;D I was expecting lots of jokes based around lines from plays, and I got them and thus was happy. The running gag about giving him lines was fun, but I loved when they threw in the "rage, rage . . . I might use that . . . can't, it's someone else's" bit to shake things up a bit. Loved them flying the TARDIS using their whole bodies, feet on the switches and everything. Martha has got some classic companion modes - all excited and interested, eager to jump in and try to save the earth/future etc. I like how she wondered about history, like if she stepped on a bug or if someone would try to grab her as a slave or what happened to the missing play. And I loved seeing the Doctor snarking with her and having something to smile about. "What if I killed my grandfather?" "Are you planning to?" ;D Interesting take they had on Shakespeare. How he could see into people, see what was really going on with them. Like asking the Doctor "why the constant performance" or figuring out they were time travelers. The Carrionites (sp?) were nicely scary, all doomfingery and killing people with poppets. And of course I loved the whole "We can all have a good flirt later" "Is that a promise, Doctor" "Oh, 57 academics just punched the air" thing. Not only for the man flirting but because it made me suddenly realise they were goofing on Martha as the "dark lady" and the Doctor as the "dark lad" from his sonnets. Too fun! I loved the theme of words having power. That the Carrionites use words in their science like we use math. And the final scene where Shakespeare defeats them, sends them back and seals them in with words, turning their plan against them and they wooshing back, followed by the swirling pages of the lost script? Most excellent!!! Well, I'm sure I'll think of other things to say, once I start reading everyone else's comments.
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Post by Lola m on Jul 13, 2007 22:01:07 GMT -5
London 1599 -Pretty! Balcony scene? A witch! I'd say he had it coming with that bad haircut. She really is very smart, isn't she? I liked that about her from the first ep, when she was the one wondering why the air wasn't being sucked out of the hospital when it was on the moon. Yeah. It's like, they notice and yet not. I love how the Doctor always pulls that off. Certainly London never does. ;D Such an excellent line. Like when they burst in on him and he's all "no autographs, no you can't have yourself sketched with me (heee!!!), and please don't ask where I get my ideas from". ;D Very interesting. Our (and the Doctor's) first sign of how perceptive he was going to prove to be. Absolutely loved that. Everytime he'd refer to it, I'd giggle. Ah ha ha ha ha!! That's such a funny and perfect way to put it! Excellent! Yeah, much cleaner and nicer. Although, I loved at the end when she won't kiss Shakespeare because of his breath. ;D That he doesn't even know he's giving, I'll bet. The Doctor is always so . . . inside his own head. I liked how they figured it out from all the clues. And how the Doctor and Martha bounce ideas off each other, helping find the solution. Like her comparison of the theater to the TARDIS. They were asking for it, weren't they? Hee! That line really made me laugh too. Liked how he said that saying her name was a big mistake and would only make him determined to win. Her name does have power, we saw how he couldn't even say it until the end of the Runaway Bride. That was a nice bit of compare and contrast with the Doctor's grief about Rose. ;D ;D Even before she said that, I was thinking "well, that's why they never did the play again, too expensive to do all those special effects". ;D What is it with him and English Queens? Always in trouble, he is. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Jul 13, 2007 22:04:25 GMT -5
Heh. "Expelliarmus!" "Good old JK." Doubly funny since David Tennant played Barty Crouch Jr in Goblet of Fire. As a lit geek, I loved the little literary in-jokes throughout. Could have been cheesy, but wasn't. **nods** I think because they poked fun of themselves for poking fun in a literary way. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Jul 13, 2007 22:05:09 GMT -5
I found this one worked better with the subtitles off. Otherwise it was a bit *facepalm*. Is the timing, the subtitles knock it wonky. But playing along... it's one big Lit in-joke, and therefore yaays. And flirty!Shakespeare=win Flirty!Shakespeare is totally made of win.
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Post by Lola m on Jul 13, 2007 22:05:42 GMT -5
He's so clueless. So smart. So dumb. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Jul 13, 2007 22:06:38 GMT -5
I love the "Vulcan Mind Meld" thingy the Doctor does. Yes! Like Time Lord thrall or something.
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Post by Lola m on Jul 13, 2007 22:07:52 GMT -5
Exactly! Oooo - "Death has been waiting for you a very long time." I suspect she's right. It really has. So far, though, he's managed to avoid it. **nods** It was a chilling line, wasn't it?
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Post by Lola m on Jul 13, 2007 22:11:50 GMT -5
I can't remember, does this event inspire the writing of the three witches in Macbeth? ;D Heee! I think they must have been. I mean, he was already taking (mostly his own) lines from the Doctor, might as well take some storyline as well. ;D
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 14, 2007 10:21:51 GMT -5
So, apparently nobody's going to notice that Martha and the Doctor aren't suitably dressed. Yeah. It's like, they notice and yet not. I love how the Doctor always pulls that off. Well, I noted it because sometimes they dress up in period clothes and sometimes they don't. I'm not sure I recognize that pattern of it.
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Post by Queen E on Jul 14, 2007 13:51:32 GMT -5
Yeah. It's like, they notice and yet not. I love how the Doctor always pulls that off. Well, I noted it because sometimes they dress up in period clothes and sometimes they don't. I'm not sure I recognize that pattern of it. Maybe it's part of the chameleon circuit. (Oh, god, I'm turning into a Who geek. Heavens forfend.)
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Post by Riff on Jul 15, 2007 15:27:26 GMT -5
And of course I loved the whole "We can all have a good flirt later" "Is that a promise, Doctor" "Oh, 57 academics just punched the air" thing. Not only for the man flirting but because it made me suddenly realise they were goofing on Martha as the "dark lady" and the Doctor as the "dark lad" from his sonnets. Too fun! *shakes his head* It seemed like a perfectly innocent exchange to me. Ahem. ;D
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Post by Queen E on Jul 15, 2007 15:42:58 GMT -5
And of course I loved the whole "We can all have a good flirt later" "Is that a promise, Doctor" "Oh, 57 academics just punched the air" thing. Not only for the man flirting but because it made me suddenly realise they were goofing on Martha as the "dark lady" and the Doctor as the "dark lad" from his sonnets. Too fun! *shakes his head* It seemed like a perfectly innocent exchange to me. Ahem. ;D
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Post by Riff on Jul 15, 2007 15:54:45 GMT -5
London 1599 -Pretty! Shakespeare notices the clothes. Shakespeare sees through the psychic paper. Interesting. Because he really was a genius. None of his contemporaries were anywhere near him (well, Marlowe was okay, but his characters lack the depth and complexity of Shakey's). He took stock plots and turned them into sublime and intricate analyses of humanity. I liked that the episode portrayed him as very flawed and human while also somehow exceeding human abilities. ;D My favourite bad line was one I overheard a friend of mine use at a nightclub. I was buying some drinks and he was a bit farther along the bar, trying to chat a girl up. (CONTEXT ALERT: it is necessary to know at this point that my friend drove a car called an Austin Princess.) I heard him say, "I drive a Princess, just like you." He was unsuccessful. Interestingly, it was special effect that destoryed the original globe. In 1613, a squib used during a performance of Henry VIII set the roof on fire and the place burned down. That's the story, anyway. Henry VIII is so bad that the audience probably burnt it down. It was rebuilt in 1997, and I'm popping along there next month. Well he has problems with family matriarchs so he's clearly going to find Queens Elizabeth and Victoria difficult. Basically he's just scared of women. The Elizabeth I moment may have been setting something up for next season.
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Post by Riff on Jul 15, 2007 16:07:06 GMT -5
Heh. "Expelliarmus!" "Good old JK." Doubly funny since David Tennant played Barty Crouch Jr in Goblet of Fire. As a lit geek, I loved the little literary in-jokes throughout. Could have been cheesy, but wasn't. I Agree. That sort of thing can be so intrusive and smug, but there is a light touch in this ep. My biggest complaint was that the witches seemed a bit too pantomime. I wasn't sure about that makeup. The Eighth Doctor audio play "Time of the Daleks" has constant quotations from Shakespeare in the dialogue (The Daleks are trying to remove Shakespeare from time to free themselves from a temporal paradox and... never mind ). This mostly works surprisingly well. I still get shivers hearing the Daleks intone Hamlet's "Tis now the very witching time of night" soliloquy. And I'm man enough to admit it.
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