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Post by Lola m on Feb 14, 2008 23:12:43 GMT -5
*sigh* this is what happens when you sign on with the guys who trust Benry. Dammit, Hugo, dammit dammit dammit. Mexican standoff between Sawyer and Kate here. Sawyer doesn't want to leave? God, Benry farked up his mind, too!!! DAMMIT!!!! WE NEED TO KILL BEN!!!! HE IS MOLOCH! "Why don't we find out" is as close as you're gonna get to a proposal from Sawyer, Kate. I assume you have to return with Charlotte AND with Miles too. "The day I start trusting him is the day I would have sold my soul" I love you, Sayid. "Never would have expected you to give it to me for nothing" what does Sayid have as leverage? Flash-forward to Elsa and Sayid.. Whoops! Elsa said the "L" word! Woohoo! Are you not gonna kill her boss now, Sayid? Or make it look like an accident? Oh, what a time to promise "no more secrets" Whatcha wanna bet it's Penny's father? And Sayid has an attack of conscience, tries to save the girl he's fallen in love with while using her. *Sigh* you're a lousy hitman, Sayid. He has a list? and is checking it twice? AAAAAAAAA!!!!! CRAP! She was setting him up!!! SHIT!!!! Man, this is almost shakespearean. Close her eyes? yep. Huh. That's the same bracelet Naomi was wearing. Same source, or same bracelet, given by Sayid? So, think Sayid kept the receipt? I'm hoping that he makes Benry pay him back. Big time!
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Post by RAKSHA on Feb 15, 2008 0:02:51 GMT -5
Well, this season is certainly proceeding faster than last year's first few episodes! And much of that is to the good...
But I'm beginning to run out of patience with all the unanswered questions. No sooner do they answer a few of the myriad questions that they've thrown at the audience but that they open up a whole new can o' worms. And I don't see how all the questions, or even most of them, will ever be answered.
A dramatically excellent episode, though - Sayid is far more watchable than most of the Losties, with the possible exception of Locke (mostly before this season, I barely recognize him now). He does more with his eyes and face than Sawyer does with his entire body. Not that I objected to the bed scenes, and sightings of a good deal of Sayid's delectable flesh....
I do hope that before this series ends, Benry will be absolutely and permanently dead. Just too smarmy and malevolent to live.
G.
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Post by Onjel too lazy to login on Feb 15, 2008 5:40:47 GMT -5
What is Penny's last name? What is her father's name? First and last? That was a very interesting episode. Sayid working for Benry, "keeping his friends alive." Sayid pretty with his hair in the "pimp ponytail". It opens up his face. Pretty in golf togs. Pretty suited up. Well, just pretty. ;D I'm kinda with Sawyer. Island pretty. Water pretty. Housing abundant and no outside world intrusions. Where's the bad? ;D Usually, multiple (I mean an order of magnitude multiple) passports mean spy work of some kind. Think Jason Bourne. Soooooo. Benry has currency of the world, passports of the world, suits and travel stuff. Not only has he obviously been off the island, but. . .. Before they showed him in the vet's office, I had a feeling Sayid was working for Benry. The office walls and general look had the same appearance as the background as the picture of Benry that rescuer dude showed them. I'm wondering if we're going to find out that Benry is one of those black-hatted "good guys". Hmmmmm.
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Post by Sara on Feb 15, 2008 9:26:02 GMT -5
What is Penny's last name? What is her father's name? First and last? That was a very interesting episode. Sayid working for Benry, "keeping his friends alive." Sayid pretty with his hair in the "pimp ponytail". It opens up his face. Pretty in golf togs. Pretty suited up. Well, just pretty. ;D I'm kinda with Sawyer. Island pretty. Water pretty. Housing abundant and no outside world intrusions. Where's the bad? ;D Usually, multiple (I mean an order of magnitude multiple) passports mean spy work of some kind. Think Jason Bourne. Soooooo. Benry has currency of the world, passports of the world, suits and travel stuff. Not only has he obviously been off the island, but. . .. Before they showed him in the vet's office, I had a feeling Sayid was working for Benry. The office walls and general look had the same appearance as the background as the picture of Benry that rescuer dude showed them. I'm wondering if we're going to find out that Benry is one of those black-hatted "good guys". Hmmmmm. Penny's last name is Widmore; her father is Charles Widmore.
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Post by Onjel on Feb 15, 2008 9:45:05 GMT -5
What is Penny's last name? What is her father's name? First and last? That was a very interesting episode. Sayid working for Benry, "keeping his friends alive." Sayid pretty with his hair in the "pimp ponytail". It opens up his face. Pretty in golf togs. Pretty suited up. Well, just pretty. ;D I'm kinda with Sawyer. Island pretty. Water pretty. Housing abundant and no outside world intrusions. Where's the bad? ;D Usually, multiple (I mean an order of magnitude multiple) passports mean spy work of some kind. Think Jason Bourne. Soooooo. Benry has currency of the world, passports of the world, suits and travel stuff. Not only has he obviously been off the island, but. . .. Before they showed him in the vet's office, I had a feeling Sayid was working for Benry. The office walls and general look had the same appearance as the background as the picture of Benry that rescuer dude showed them. I'm wondering if we're going to find out that Benry is one of those black-hatted "good guys". Hmmmmm. Penny's last name is Widmore; her father is Charles Widmore. Thank you! Back to the drawing board. . ..
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Post by Karen on Feb 15, 2008 9:47:08 GMT -5
Dayum. Has Sayid ever been sexier? Oh, My, God! So much sexiness!!! I think I spontaneously exploded! A couple of times!!
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Post by Pixi on Feb 15, 2008 10:07:42 GMT -5
An excellent episode. Full of surprises and twists and is it finally confirmed that we have time travel? And Ben has a portal behind the bookcase?
Fascinating.
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Post by Sara on Feb 15, 2008 11:12:48 GMT -5
An excellent episode. Full of surprises and twists and is it finally confirmed that we have time travel? And Ben has a portal behind the bookcase? Fascinating. Your phrasing made a couple of neurons fire in my brain: Ben had a portal to another world, metaphorically speaking, in an unexpected location; C. S. Lewis wrote The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, which of course features a portal to another world in an unexpected location... Yeah, I have no idea where I'm going with this—the neurons weren't that busy...
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Post by Sara on Feb 15, 2008 13:09:04 GMT -5
Something else just occurred to me. The time discrepancy between the clock in the rocket sent to Daniel's location and Daniel's clock was 31 minutes, and Elsa said her employer called her a half hour after he said he would. Yup, not going anywhere with that either.
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Post by Sara on Feb 15, 2008 13:10:08 GMT -5
Huh. Looks like some folks thought the initials on Naomi's bracelet were R. C., while others saw it as R. G. What do y'all think?
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Post by Sara on Feb 15, 2008 13:44:52 GMT -5
Some fun tidbits from Doc Jensen's recap/review: The episode's title, ''The Economist,'' was a reference to the job allegedly held by Sayid's current target, a powerful mystery man whose name went conspicuously unmentioned. It also suggested a key for reading the story. This was an episode about ''bosses'' and ''senior management'' and the minions who toil for them; about trade negotiations and merger proposals; about recession fears and hostile-takeover threats. It was a snapshot look at the information economy that shapes everything on Lost, one where secrets and inside information are valuable currencies, with hostages and guns running close behind. It was also an episode about the internal corruption that occurs when romantic idealists are forced to become cutthroat businessmen. (Literally.)
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Meanwhile, as upper management haggled in the billiard room, Kate and Sawyer caucused in Ben's bedroom. The shaggy rogue explained that he has no intention of leaving the Island because there was nothing but a prison sentence waiting for him back in the real world, and since Kate was looking at the same fate, hey, why not stay with him? Kate was dubious: ''How long, Sawyer? How long do you think we can play house?'' Saywer was bold: ''Why don't we find out?'' I was impressed with the former con man's risky emotional frankness. I was also intrigued by the fact that this scene took place in Ben's bedroom, with all those tribal masks all over the place. Hmmmm…honesty and masks — hey, that sounds like a possible allusion to another work by Charlotte's namesake, C.S. Lewis: Till We Have Faces is a retelling of the mythical Cupid and Psyche love story, told from the point of view of Psyche's jealous sister. In the book, Lewis argues that you can't commune with the divine or experience supernatural possibilities until you drop your corrupt false self — your mask — and get your moral character in order. (Yo, Locke: Now you know why you keep losing your mystical connection to the Island. You're just not good enough.)
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FYI: The name on the Ben passport Sayid examined looked to be Dean Moriarty — a character from Jack Kerouac's On the Road. Moriarty is also the name of Sherlock Holmes' nemesis. Just so you know.
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Deficit Spending Another scene I bet you'll be going nutty over was the one where Daniel Faraday did his rocket experiment, which concluded with his admittedly ''beyond weird'' discovery of an apparent 31-minute time differential between freighter reality and Island reality, where time seems to pass more slowly. What does this mean? I don't know — but I immediately went to barnesandnoble.com and purchased Stephen Hawking's Brief History of Time so you guys can borrow it, read it, and then summarize it for me while I eat grapes and watch Big Brother. Seriously, I'm crunching theories, but it takes time for me to do quantum physics. It takes me mere seconds, however, to do some cheap biblical analysis! Did you see the numbers on Daniel's clocks? One said 3:16, while the other said 2:45. As it happens, Daniel 2:45 is the culmination of the story in which exiled Daniel earned an exalted place in King Nebuchadnezzar's court by interpreting a dream concerning the future of Babylon and how ''the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom.'' Hey — that sounds like the fourth season of Lost! Meanwhile, Daniel 3:16 is part of the famous story of how Daniel's friends Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown in the fiery furnace but were saved by God. How might that apply to Lost? Well, thematically, the story deals with three men who refused to abandon their spiritual beliefs and bow down before a false idol — a story that stands in stark contrast to Sayid's flash-forward arc.
The Sell-Out In the opening scenes of ''The Economist,'' we were given two quick, quiet moments that re-established two very important things about Sayid. First, we saw him praying. Sayid, if you recall, is a spiritual man, a Muslim. Second, we saw him tenderly shut dead Naomi's eyes and examine her bracelet, inscribed with ''N., I'll be with you always, R.C.'' Sayid, recall, is a romantic (see: Nadia; Shannon), and I bet that his desire that Naomi be sent home for a proper burial appealed to his religious convictions and sentimentality. Yet in his flash-forward future, Sayid ain't exactly living according to those ideals. In fact, like James Bond, his license-to-kill existence makes a mockery of the sanctity of life and love. Sayid remains sufficiently decent in the future that when it was finally time to move against the Economist, he came clean with Elsa, as he had genuinely fallen for her. But then she pulled a Casino Royale on him: It turned out she was an undercover lover, too, seducing him in hopes of smoking out Ben's identity. Elsa was Sayid's mirror twin, and to make sure we got it, Sayid smashed a mirror reflection of his Lady From Shanghai doppelgänger before popping some caps into her.
After Sayid stumbled into Ben's safe house/vet office for some first aid, his boss mocked him for his weakness. Then Ben dropped this intriguing tidbit: ''Need I remind you what happened the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun.'' Sayid's response was even more mysterious: ''You used that girl to recruit me into killing for you.'' But Ben the master manipulator hit him where it hurts the most: the bottom line. ''Do you want to protect your friends or not?'' Sayid looked like a man over a barrel. What did he say about Ben earlier in the episode? ''The day I start trusting him is the day I sell my soul.''
Welcome to Hell, Sayid. Now get that game face on — there's work to be done.
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Post by Dev(Rob) on Feb 15, 2008 22:33:31 GMT -5
I think this was my favourite Lost episode to date. Anyone else notice the black smoke behind the 6th sense guy when Sayid was talking to him? or was it just a different coloured bush Charlotte & Elsa look a lot alike. Confirmed people to make it off the Island so far: Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Ben. That's 5, who's the 6th? Or is that 4 and Ben isn't counted as one of the Ocianic 6... Some more creepy numbers stuff: At the end, Daniel, Frank, Naomi and Sayid leave in the helicopter. They are 4 people. 4 is one of "The Numbers". When the misil arrives to the island, Daniel grabs a device. The device says 03:16:23. 3+16+23=42. 3+1+6+2+3=15. 15, 16, 23 and 42 are some of "The Numbers".
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 13:32:45 GMT -5
Teaser I'll always be with you, RC. Eh? Sayid's about to be bad ass, I can feel it. Hmm, I think I like scraggly haired Sayid better than slicked back hair Sayid. So this is a flashforward. Sayid is one of the Oceanic Six. They all got a big enough cash settlement that they don't have to work anymore. Bet Hurley wasn't too happy about that. Whoa! WTF! This guy must be with Abbadon. And then Sayid gets all wet.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 13:47:30 GMT -5
Part I
So, did Sayid ever meet up with what's her name after he got to LA?
Sayid's in Berlin because?...
Sayid's a headhunter? Or pretending to be a headhunter?
An economist. Methinks that will be important.
Is Sayid going to shoot her too?
Who is Sayid working with? I don't recognize the voice at all.
Sayid finds the photograph of Desmond and Penny.
Sawyer discusses torture. Locke points out that then they would have to carry Ben. Hee.
Ashes again. But no cabin.
John's looking for some one to tell him what to do next. Yep.
Hurley questions Locke.
Hurley's regretting following Locke. Bet this is why he takes off and joins the other group.
Kate's all flirty with Jack again. Cute, but I'm getting tired of the waffling.
Frank knows Sayid some how?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 13:55:14 GMT -5
Part II
Miles is not attached to Naomi. Funny, you'd think they were engaged, the way he reacted to her death. I guess he's just completely a hot head.
I dunno if I like that dress.
So this is a second date?
Everyone has a boss. Unless you're a free lancer. Or you own your own business.
Is this a communications relay?
Regina.
Avoid talking to Minkowski. Because?
Payload?
Oh, it's a beacon.
The EM field on the island distorts the beacon signal?
At the barracks.
The barracks have a swing set. For all the theoretical children.
And they even left clothes on the line.
Ohhh, they locked Hurley in a closet.
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