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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:01:06 GMT -5
Part III
Dude, this is like the 3rd time in the past couple of weeks that I've heard the phrase "gone off the reservation" on tv.
Great, they sent us another Sawyer. Hee!
Are the Boat People planning on killing the Losties?
Jack gets confirmation about the Red Sox winning the World Series.
Now the payload arrives. So it's a time distortion? Looks like.
Man, Ben is just loaded with archeological artifacts.
Secret passageway. Awesome.
Which leads to.... a walk in closet? That's a little anticlimatic.
A shitload of currency and passports. Which must be how they do the recruiting thing.
Sawyer! Damn, it's an ambush. Well, fuck. Locke's got everyone under his thumb.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:12:34 GMT -5
Part IV
Back in the pool table room. Also, Ben and Sayid alone again.
Kate and Sawyer.
Sawyer doesn't want to leave because he doesn't have anything to go back to.
Sawyer wants to know why Kate wants to leave to island. An excellent question.
I wonder if it's because she's pregnant.
Sayid tries to reason with Locke.
Power of secrets.
Ah, Sayid's mission is to kill Elsa's employer. There's a list.
The economist is not an economist. Then who is he? And why is he pretending to be an economist?
Holy Shit! So, it's a double cross. I'm confused now.
Yep, he killed her. Tale as old as time.
Closes Elsa's eyes like he did for Naomi. And Elsa has a bracelet like Naomi's. Or the same bracelet?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:19:37 GMT -5
Coda Penny is "senior management." But Frank won't go further. I'm confused again, some more. Kate "decided" to stay. Huh? And traded Miles for Charlotte. which might be for the best. Heh. Importance of staying on the same bearing. like when Michael drove off in the boat. And Sayid leaves the island. Bet he's still wondering about that four toed statue. Puppies! Ah, he's going to the vet to get his bullet wound treated. Is this Ben? Yep. WTF is going on? ?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:30:56 GMT -5
ELSA! SHE-WOLF OF THE SS!!!! She's a personal shopper. Sayid's her employer. No, she can't be. She knows what her employer looks like if she's a personal shopper, dammit. Heh. She knows he was just snowing her on the being lost thing. She isn't Sayid's target. Her boss, the economist, is. "As opposed to the way I'd do it" "Put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. That's not good diplomacy" HAH! Little piggies. hee.. Well, as Jacob has Baba Yaga's hut, maybe you should ask Hurley..... Hugo going with the "doing the right thing" "Not what I signed up for" Locke, you bastard. Walk, Hugo, please.... Heh! "That mean I should wait twenty minutes and go anyways?" Jack thinks Kate is better than Naomi.. no, he knows Sawyer loves her, and trusts in it. God, the three of them should just set up housekeeping together back on the mainland and have angry sex with each other. "What was he, a diplomat?" "No, he was a torturer"I swear, this ep has ALL the one-liners. Dude, I missed that connection.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:36:40 GMT -5
*sigh* this is what happens when you sign on with the guys who trust Benry. Dammit, Hugo, dammit dammit dammit. Mexican standoff between Sawyer and Kate here. Sawyer doesn't want to leave? God, Benry farked up his mind, too!!! DAMMIT!!!! WE NEED TO KILL BEN!!!! HE IS MOLOCH! "Why don't we find out" is as close as you're gonna get to a proposal from Sawyer, Kate. I assume you have to return with Charlotte AND with Miles too. "The day I start trusting him is the day I would have sold my soul" I love you, Sayid. "Never would have expected you to give it to me for nothing" what does Sayid have as leverage? Flash-forward to Elsa and Sayid.. Whoops! Elsa said the "L" word! Woohoo! Are you not gonna kill her boss now, Sayid? Or make it look like an accident? Oh, what a time to promise "no more secrets" Whatcha wanna bet it's Penny's father? And Sayid has an attack of conscience, tries to save the girl he's fallen in love with while using her. *Sigh* you're a lousy hitman, Sayid. He has a list? and is checking it twice? AAAAAAAAA!!!!! CRAP! She was setting him up!!! SHIT!!!! Man, this is almost shakespearean. Close her eyes? yep. Huh. That's the same bracelet Naomi was wearing. Same source, or same bracelet, given by Sayid? Ah, that is what he said. One of the disadvantages of watching online is no closed captions. And it looks like Sayid does end up selling his soul, doesn't he? Which suggests that he trusted Ben somehow.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:38:33 GMT -5
Desmond having a minor spaz fit.... So they've heard of her, but they have to check with each other. Sayid and Charlotte. No Kate, no Miles. Yeah, I'd call that a cheat.. HAH! "Lucky for you that guy was nothing but a pain in my ass" "Same exact bearing" Dan has some worries about what's going on with the time-traveling rocket. Bringing Naomi home. It's like he's unstuck in time and is mourning Elsa before he ever knows her. So who is Sayid working for here in this vet's office? Is this Ben's dulcet tones? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *clenches every sphincter up very very tightly* "Used that to recruit me to kill for you" GOD, it pisses me off/freaks me out so much that Ben's alive, but damn, he's a freaking fantastic bad guy. And it makes sense that he'd become a veterinarian given his love of bunnies, no? Yes, because he treated he pet bunny so very nicely.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:46:14 GMT -5
What is Penny's last name? What is her father's name? First and last? That was a very interesting episode. Sayid working for Benry, "keeping his friends alive." Sayid pretty with his hair in the "pimp ponytail". It opens up his face. Pretty in golf togs. Pretty suited up. Well, just pretty. ;D I'm kinda with Sawyer. Island pretty. Water pretty. Housing abundant and no outside world intrusions. Where's the bad? ;D Usually, multiple (I mean an order of magnitude multiple) passports mean spy work of some kind. Think Jason Bourne. Soooooo. Benry has currency of the world, passports of the world, suits and travel stuff. Not only has he obviously been off the island, but. . .. Before they showed him in the vet's office, I had a feeling Sayid was working for Benry. The office walls and general look had the same appearance as the background as the picture of Benry that rescuer dude showed them. I'm wondering if we're going to find out that Benry is one of those black-hatted "good guys". Hmmmmm. Huh.
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Post by Karen on Feb 16, 2008 14:46:53 GMT -5
And it makes sense that he'd become a veterinarian given his love of bunnies, no? Yes, because he treated he pet bunny so very nicely. Well, bunnies aren't just cute like everyone supposes. I want to know who the Economists are that Sayid alluded to when he told the girl he ended up killing that her boss 'wasn't an Economist'. Or did I miss something along the way? Damn. What an awesomely good episode.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:51:08 GMT -5
Some fun tidbits from Doc Jensen's recap/review: The episode's title, ''The Economist,'' was a reference to the job allegedly held by Sayid's current target, a powerful mystery man whose name went conspicuously unmentioned. It also suggested a key for reading the story. This was an episode about ''bosses'' and ''senior management'' and the minions who toil for them; about trade negotiations and merger proposals; about recession fears and hostile-takeover threats. It was a snapshot look at the information economy that shapes everything on Lost, one where secrets and inside information are valuable currencies, with hostages and guns running close behind. It was also an episode about the internal corruption that occurs when romantic idealists are forced to become cutthroat businessmen. (Literally.)
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Meanwhile, as upper management haggled in the billiard room, Kate and Sawyer caucused in Ben's bedroom. The shaggy rogue explained that he has no intention of leaving the Island because there was nothing but a prison sentence waiting for him back in the real world, and since Kate was looking at the same fate, hey, why not stay with him? Kate was dubious: ''How long, Sawyer? How long do you think we can play house?'' Saywer was bold: ''Why don't we find out?'' I was impressed with the former con man's risky emotional frankness. I was also intrigued by the fact that this scene took place in Ben's bedroom, with all those tribal masks all over the place. Hmmmm…honesty and masks — hey, that sounds like a possible allusion to another work by Charlotte's namesake, C.S. Lewis: Till We Have Faces is a retelling of the mythical Cupid and Psyche love story, told from the point of view of Psyche's jealous sister. In the book, Lewis argues that you can't commune with the divine or experience supernatural possibilities until you drop your corrupt false self — your mask — and get your moral character in order. (Yo, Locke: Now you know why you keep losing your mystical connection to the Island. You're just not good enough.)
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FYI: The name on the Ben passport Sayid examined looked to be Dean Moriarty — a character from Jack Kerouac's On the Road. Moriarty is also the name of Sherlock Holmes' nemesis. Just so you know.
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Deficit Spending Another scene I bet you'll be going nutty over was the one where Daniel Faraday did his rocket experiment, which concluded with his admittedly ''beyond weird'' discovery of an apparent 31-minute time differential between freighter reality and Island reality, where time seems to pass more slowly. What does this mean? I don't know — but I immediately went to barnesandnoble.com and purchased Stephen Hawking's Brief History of Time so you guys can borrow it, read it, and then summarize it for me while I eat grapes and watch Big Brother. Seriously, I'm crunching theories, but it takes time for me to do quantum physics. It takes me mere seconds, however, to do some cheap biblical analysis! Did you see the numbers on Daniel's clocks? One said 3:16, while the other said 2:45. As it happens, Daniel 2:45 is the culmination of the story in which exiled Daniel earned an exalted place in King Nebuchadnezzar's court by interpreting a dream concerning the future of Babylon and how ''the fourth kingdom will be a divided kingdom.'' Hey — that sounds like the fourth season of Lost! Meanwhile, Daniel 3:16 is part of the famous story of how Daniel's friends Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were thrown in the fiery furnace but were saved by God. How might that apply to Lost? Well, thematically, the story deals with three men who refused to abandon their spiritual beliefs and bow down before a false idol — a story that stands in stark contrast to Sayid's flash-forward arc.
The Sell-Out In the opening scenes of ''The Economist,'' we were given two quick, quiet moments that re-established two very important things about Sayid. First, we saw him praying. Sayid, if you recall, is a spiritual man, a Muslim. Second, we saw him tenderly shut dead Naomi's eyes and examine her bracelet, inscribed with ''N., I'll be with you always, R.C.'' Sayid, recall, is a romantic (see: Nadia; Shannon), and I bet that his desire that Naomi be sent home for a proper burial appealed to his religious convictions and sentimentality. Yet in his flash-forward future, Sayid ain't exactly living according to those ideals. In fact, like James Bond, his license-to-kill existence makes a mockery of the sanctity of life and love. Sayid remains sufficiently decent in the future that when it was finally time to move against the Economist, he came clean with Elsa, as he had genuinely fallen for her. But then she pulled a Casino Royale on him: It turned out she was an undercover lover, too, seducing him in hopes of smoking out Ben's identity. Elsa was Sayid's mirror twin, and to make sure we got it, Sayid smashed a mirror reflection of his Lady From Shanghai doppelgänger before popping some caps into her.
After Sayid stumbled into Ben's safe house/vet office for some first aid, his boss mocked him for his weakness. Then Ben dropped this intriguing tidbit: ''Need I remind you what happened the last time you thought with your heart instead of your gun.'' Sayid's response was even more mysterious: ''You used that girl to recruit me into killing for you.'' But Ben the master manipulator hit him where it hurts the most: the bottom line. ''Do you want to protect your friends or not?'' Sayid looked like a man over a barrel. What did he say about Ben earlier in the episode? ''The day I start trusting him is the day I sell my soul.''
Welcome to Hell, Sayid. Now get that game face on — there's work to be done. Hmm, fascinating. *Brain explodes*
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Post by Karen on Feb 16, 2008 14:54:05 GMT -5
Sayid ep!!! Sayid centricness!! **so happy, so very happy** And I got Sayid flash forwards (yay he survives, in a way, off the island) and half nekkid Sayid (YAY, there is no bad there) and angsty hit man with a heart, forced into a life he hates to protect his friends (I swear the only way they could have hit more of my kink buttons straight on would have been to have him throw Sawyer on the floor to ravish him before my eyes). I like seeing "in charge" Sayid, so that was fun. And I liked how he and Jack share responsibilities and leadership so effortlessly now. When Sayid was all "I'm going to make Locke release Charlotte without bloodshed, and you're not the guy who can do that", I liked how Jack pretty much agreed. ;D We got another Sawyer nick name - gizmo. ;D I sooooooo hated it when we thought that Locke locked Hurley up and abandonded him. And then I also hated it when it turned out to be a trick, and one that Hurley was not happy about doing. But I liked how, when Benry tried to taunt Sayid about it, he was all "what do you know about friendship?", 'cuz you know he's right there. I don't imagine Benry has had a true friend since . . . well, since he killed his entire former village with poison gas so he could play "king of the island". The secret closet of money and clothes and passports and so on? I knew he wasn't truly the simple magical "I've never been off the island, no one leave the island, the island is all I'll ever need" guy that he pretended to be! Ha!! Sawyer is back to using nicknames! Gizmo....hmmm, as in a Gizmo the gremlin?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:56:50 GMT -5
Yes, because he treated he pet bunny so very nicely. Well, bunnies aren't just cute like everyone supposes. I want to know who the Economists are that Sayid alluded to when he told the girl he ended up killing that her boss 'wasn't an Economist'. Or did I miss something along the way? Damn. What an awesomely good episode. Oh, like Economist is a group name? I hadn't considered that. And Lord knows JJ Abrams like shadowy organizations name The [ambiguous noun].
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 14:57:57 GMT -5
Hmm, I didn't really think this was an _awesome_ episode. I just didn't feel as emotionally or intellectually engaged as say, last weeks episode. I think this may be one that is better upon rewatching the series.
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Post by Karen on Feb 16, 2008 15:04:16 GMT -5
I vote no. Happy Valentine's Day to us! It was a very nice present! Mmmmmmm............
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 16, 2008 15:11:08 GMT -5
Also, Ben's got another list. Any chance this one also came from Jacob?
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Post by Sara on Feb 22, 2008 14:14:56 GMT -5
From executive producer Damon Lindelof:
Naomi's bracelet in the Sayid episode is a key point here. I got some e-mails from people who wondered if there was a connection between Naomi's bracelet and the bracelet worn by the woman Sayid killed in his flash-forward. There is no connective tissue. Sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet. We just thought it would be a cool emotional touchstone for Sayid; Elsa's bracelet reminds him of Naomi. But some people interpreted that, ''Is there something more there?'' We might need to address that.
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