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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2008 17:04:58 GMT -5
Part I
Jin learning more English.
Ah, they're trying to figure out where to go in the US.
Now Sun wants to go back to Korea?
I guess time makes memories fade.
The Boat People come to the the beach.
Democracy or dictatorship?
The boat house.
Poor Hurley. I hate the way Locke's got him under his thumb.
What does Miles know about Kate, and why does Kate know that he would know things about her?
Miles is exactly where he wants to be. Yep.
He wants Locke or Ben?
Duncan.
Kate's had her baby already and it's a boy.
And what, is he some kind of anti-christ?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2008 17:19:21 GMT -5
Part II
It's been a whole day without radio contact.
That's ominous.
Locke's planning a dinner.
What if Kate took Aaron with her when she left the island?
Jack testifies.
So the defenses argument is that her time on the island changed her and made her fit to rejoin society?
Whoa, I got a burst of static there and missed a spot of dialogue.
Jack says that only 8 survived.
So they're pretending that everyone else died.
And he just made up a whole fabricated story.
Jack says "he doesn't love Kate anymore"
Xanadu.
Why the fuck does the abc streaming keep erupting in static?
backgammon again.
Now, does Locke now that the Boat People are here to extract Ben? Or that that's what they're saying they're there for?
Was Sawyer in on the break out, or did Kate manipulate him?
So it's Abbadon specifically who wants Ben?
Does Ben have 3.2 mil?
It's extortion, technically.
Hee!
Wait, what else can Ben do that don't know about?
Ah, Kate wanted to know if they knew who she was because that determines whether she leaves or not.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2008 17:27:33 GMT -5
Part III
So if people were to believe that only 6 Losties survive, then the Boat People must have either been all killed or left behind on the island, or they agree to keep silent.
So Kate gets kicked out of the Barracks and I'm guessing Hurley goes with her.
Kate's mom.
Why are Sawyer and Hurley sharing a house?
Three card game.
So they're practicing their psychic ability?
Whoa. Where did the helicopter go?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2008 17:38:08 GMT -5
Part IV
Torture, Locke style.
Locke "is responsible for the well being of this island."
O RLY?
So Kate and Sawyer are back together again, some more.
But then Kate puts the kabosh on it.
I'm still not understanding Kate's motivations.
Hmm, Kate's mom won't testify.
Lady Lawyer looks familiar.
"nearly starved to death?"
Kate gets off on probation.
Jack again.
OK, this is a fucked up boring love triangle, and I'm really getting sick of it.
Whoa, ginormous house.
Yeah, that's got to be Aaron.
Yep.
So is Aaron considered another one of the Oceanic Six or not?
And did Claire give him to Kate willingly, or did Kate just take him?
And was Kate even pregnant in the first place?
ETA: OK, so apparently there was a bit of dialog I missed in which she revealed she was not, in fact, pregnant.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2008 17:43:42 GMT -5
Eggtown. *blinks* The person who comes closest to guessing what in the hell the title is referring to before the episode airs gets a post from me featuring a pretty pic of their choosing. Trivia time: As far as island time is concerned, our two previous episodes "Confirmed Dead" and "The Economist" took place on Christmas Eve of 2004—day 94 of the Losties' tenure there. So, apparently is it Eggtown because the Dharma compound is, like a town. Where they have eggs. ;D  |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2008 19:15:34 GMT -5
From the ever-helpful lostpedia: Episode NameEgg-town is a pejorative term that refers to the days of bartering, during the Great Depression. A traveling salesman would have to barter his candy or tobacco or shoelaces for different commodities. A poor exchange would be for eggs, a relatively common item that is also highly perishable. Nobody wants to trade for eggs from a traveling salesman because they have their own, so the salesman who accepted an egg in exchange was forced to accept a bad deal. Salesmen would use the term like "If I were you I would stay away from Bogart. That's an egg-town." Of course, the lack of trust among salesman was also high, and it was likely that one salesman would lie to another about the quality of a town's customers to keep them for himself. Invariably, the second salesman ventures into Bogart only to find it is truly an egg-town. He is either persuaded to not visit a town that has good customers or is tricked into visiting a town that can only offer eggs. The term "egg-town" represents a deal with undesirable outcomes in either case. [source needed] References in this episode include: * The inability of Locke to makes any progress with the interrogation of Ben or Miles. * The deal Kate made. She is now forbidden to leave the state and thus can't legally go back to the island for any reason for at least ten years. * The episode starts with literal eggs: Locke preparing an omelet breakfast for Ben. He tells Ben these are the last two eggs. * Kate's preoccupation with the chance that she might be pregnant, and the continuing references to her child in the episode's flashforwards. * Locke's inability to establish any communication with Jacob. * Locke kills a chicken (no more eggs). That's interesting. And confusing. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 23, 2008 19:46:03 GMT -5
Reading through my flist, and I wanted to share some thoughts not originally thought of by me:
It would appear, in the future, that Claire's baby is indeed "raised by another."
Aaron is actually Jack's nephew, though its not clear if he knows that. But he must know that it's Aaron, right? The way Kate and Jack were arguing, it seemed like Kate was implying that it was Sawyer's son, and that's why Jack was reluctant to see her at home.
Desmond had a flash of Claire and Aaron getting on the helicopter. So how does that figure into Kate ending up with Aaron.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Feb 24, 2008 10:31:42 GMT -5
Finally watched this last night. More confused. Is that even possible? Are we perhaps looking at multiple possible future worlds?*
Anyway, I had a passing thought - did the psychic (it was the psychic, yes?) say that Claire's baby would be raised by another, or An Other?
Anne, just making trouble
*or are the writers as confused as we are?
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Post by Sara on Feb 27, 2008 16:49:19 GMT -5
A random thought that occurred to me as I listened to a Lost podcast about one of the first episodes of the season...
All along one of the dominant themes of the show, one the flashbacks have hammered home time and time again, is that people never change: Jack will always try to help everyone, Sawyer will always put his own survival above all, etc. Yet I'd argue that in this ep we saw a Kate who really had changed. The thing we would have said about her, until now, is that Kate will always run. Yet there she was, tying herself to one place for 10 years with barely a second thought. Kate seemed uncertain about motherhood, and not all that comfortable around babies. But in the future not only has she adopted Aaron but is putting his welfare ahead of all other considerations, even if it means she goes to prison, and protecting him as fiercely as any mama bear could hope to. And finally, for all the time we've seen them interact Kate has almost always been, on some level, looking for Jack's approval; in the future, that's no longer the case—if anything, he's the one who needs her approval if their relationship is to progress.
Like I said, just a random thought.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Feb 27, 2008 17:09:18 GMT -5
A random thought that occurred to me as I listened to a Lost podcast about one of the first episodes of the season... All along one of the dominant themes of the show, one the flashbacks have hammered home time and time again, is that people never change: Jack will always try to help everyone, Sawyer will always put his own survival above all, etc. Yet I'd argue that in this ep we saw a Kate who really had changed. The thing we would have said about her, until now, is that Kate will always run. Yet there she was, tying herself to one place for 10 years with barely a second thought. Kate seemed uncertain about motherhood, and not all that comfortable around babies. But in the future not only has she adopted Aaron but is putting his welfare ahead of all other considerations, even if it means she goes to prison, and protecting him as fiercely as any mama bear could hope to. And finally, for all the time we've seen them interact Kate has almost always been, on some level, looking for Jack's approval; in the future, that's no longer the case—if anything, he's the one who needs her approval if their relationship is to progress. Like I said, just a random thought. A very good thought, too. I wonder if Kate is trying to be the mother her mom couldn't/wouldn't be. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 27, 2008 18:54:57 GMT -5
A random thought that occurred to me as I listened to a Lost podcast about one of the first episodes of the season... All along one of the dominant themes of the show, one the flashbacks have hammered home time and time again, is that people never change: Jack will always try to help everyone, Sawyer will always put his own survival above all, etc. Yet I'd argue that in this ep we saw a Kate who really had changed. The thing we would have said about her, until now, is that Kate will always run. Yet there she was, tying herself to one place for 10 years with barely a second thought. Kate seemed uncertain about motherhood, and not all that comfortable around babies. But in the future not only has she adopted Aaron but is putting his welfare ahead of all other considerations, even if it means she goes to prison, and protecting him as fiercely as any mama bear could hope to. And finally, for all the time we've seen them interact Kate has almost always been, on some level, looking for Jack's approval; in the future, that's no longer the case—if anything, he's the one who needs her approval if their relationship is to progress. Like I said, just a random thought. Interesting. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 27, 2008 18:55:28 GMT -5
A random thought that occurred to me as I listened to a Lost podcast about one of the first episodes of the season... All along one of the dominant themes of the show, one the flashbacks have hammered home time and time again, is that people never change: Jack will always try to help everyone, Sawyer will always put his own survival above all, etc. Yet I'd argue that in this ep we saw a Kate who really had changed. The thing we would have said about her, until now, is that Kate will always run. Yet there she was, tying herself to one place for 10 years with barely a second thought. Kate seemed uncertain about motherhood, and not all that comfortable around babies. But in the future not only has she adopted Aaron but is putting his welfare ahead of all other considerations, even if it means she goes to prison, and protecting him as fiercely as any mama bear could hope to. And finally, for all the time we've seen them interact Kate has almost always been, on some level, looking for Jack's approval; in the future, that's no longer the case—if anything, he's the one who needs her approval if their relationship is to progress. Like I said, just a random thought. A very good thought, too. I wonder if Kate is trying to be the mother her mom couldn't/wouldn't be. Also interesting. |
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Post by leftylady on Feb 27, 2008 19:02:48 GMT -5
A random thought that occurred to me as I listened to a Lost podcast about one of the first episodes of the season... All along one of the dominant themes of the show, one the flashbacks have hammered home time and time again, is that people never change: Jack will always try to help everyone, Sawyer will always put his own survival above all, etc. Yet I'd argue that in this ep we saw a Kate who really had changed. The thing we would have said about her, until now, is that Kate will always run. Yet there she was, tying herself to one place for 10 years with barely a second thought. Kate seemed uncertain about motherhood, and not all that comfortable around babies. But in the future not only has she adopted Aaron but is putting his welfare ahead of all other considerations, even if it means she goes to prison, and protecting him as fiercely as any mama bear could hope to. And finally, for all the time we've seen them interact Kate has almost always been, on some level, looking for Jack's approval; in the future, that's no longer the case—if anything, he's the one who needs her approval if their relationship is to progress. Like I said, just a random thought. for random thoughts, they are very interesting!  leftylady |
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Post by leftylady on Feb 27, 2008 19:14:18 GMT -5
From the ever-helpful lostpedia: Episode NameEgg-town is a pejorative term that refers to the days of bartering, during the Great Depression. A traveling salesman would have to barter his candy or tobacco or shoelaces for different commodities. A poor exchange would be for eggs, a relatively common item that is also highly perishable. Nobody wants to trade for eggs from a traveling salesman because they have their own, so the salesman who accepted an egg in exchange was forced to accept a bad deal. Salesmen would use the term like "If I were you I would stay away from Bogart. That's an egg-town." Of course, the lack of trust among salesman was also high, and it was likely that one salesman would lie to another about the quality of a town's customers to keep them for himself. Invariably, the second salesman ventures into Bogart only to find it is truly an egg-town. He is either persuaded to not visit a town that has good customers or is tricked into visiting a town that can only offer eggs. The term "egg-town" represents a deal with undesirable outcomes in either case. [source needed] References in this episode include: * The inability of Locke to makes any progress with the interrogation of Ben or Miles. * The deal Kate made. She is now forbidden to leave the state and thus can't legally go back to the island for any reason for at least ten years. * The episode starts with literal eggs: Locke preparing an omelet breakfast for Ben. He tells Ben these are the last two eggs. * Kate's preoccupation with the chance that she might be pregnant, and the continuing references to her child in the episode's flashforwards. * Locke's inability to establish any communication with Jacob. * Locke kills a chicken (no more eggs). And don't forget the pregnant Sun/Jin conversation - her eggs are cooking too. I've been so busy that it's all I can do to read up so my comments are late and brief. ;D billiedoux.com has some interesting connection for Eggtown: www.billiedoux.com/lost4x4.html"Or was it yet another literary reference? I saw a reference to a children's book called The Easter Egg Escapade by John Michael Williams. It's about a peaceful place called Eggtown where rabbits and chickens live together in harmony. They're attacked by thieving roosters from the forests and swamps outside town who come and steal Eggtown's eggs. That certainly sounds like the Others stealing the pregnant women and kids, doesn't it? Except that it was originally the Others' town." and she also has this tidbit: Kate's defense lawyer previously played a serial killer named (wait for it ...) Jack Shepherd. At zap2it.com I also found that there is some questions out there on whether the card reading was to practice/enhance esp or to test memory. Daniel previously needing a caretaker could point to the latter. Also flashforward Aaron is obviously different than island Aaron, but some viewers get the impression from the quick shot in the nursery that the older/larger version shows signs of Down Syndrome. Any thoughts here? I haven't re=watched yet. leftylady |
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Post by fish1941 on Mar 4, 2008 15:00:00 GMT -5
I really do not understand how Kate managed to avoid prosecution for her other crimes, because her mother had refused to testify against her for Wayne's murder. After all, Kate had committed attempted bank robbery in New Mexico . . . in front of witnesses. What does Diane's testimony have to do with her getting off for this crime? This has left me with a bad feeling.
Also, I could not feel any sympathy toward Kate, because Sawyer was relieved that she wasn't pregnant. This makes no sense, since hours earlier, Kate had refused to pick up Aaron, let alone touch him. And we're supposed to buy that she was disappointed in Sawyer's reaction? WTF?
As for Kate trying not to be like her mother . . .
According to psychic Richard Malkin, only Claire must raise Aaron. If Kate now has Aaron, where does that leave him? What will happen, now that he is being raised by the wrong woman?
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