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Post by Sara on Mar 19, 2008 10:39:57 GMT -5
How about that—for once an episode title is self-explanatory.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 20, 2008 20:09:01 GMT -5
Here we go! I'm glad they did the reminder "previously" scenes - so we can remember just how desparate Michael was. Hmmmm. Awkward sitting around with Benry and all. Heeee! OK, so Locke is now saying "no secrets" eh? Yeah. Like I'll beleive that. "Um. We kinda like knew that forever ago." I will never not love Hurley so very very much. What. So, like he's one of us now? And, of course now that we know it already, Benry just tells us simply that it's Michael on the boat. I am suspicious of all this honesty. Guess I've been watching Lost too long, eh? First I complain that no one ever just tells people what is going on and then I am suspicious when they do. ;D No, that's not true. I'm just always suspicious of Benry. Whoa. Boat Captain man totally kicks some ass. Sayid not waiting for answers either. "I'm here to die." Is this a deal he made to save Walt?
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Post by Lola m on Mar 20, 2008 20:15:51 GMT -5
How long can they hang on to what's his name and Benry to supposedly keep themselves alive? And Sawyer calls Locke on his "no more secrets" thing. Last week you had a gun to his head and tonight he's eating pound cake. Heh!! Once again, the Temple is called a sanctuary, a safe place. That's only for "us", not for "them". Hmmmm. Yeah. That's nice. Whoa. If Rousseau says to go, then, well, yes then I'd go too. But whether or not she plans to just passively rest there, well . . . We'll see. Are they more dangerous than you? Yes. Ooooooh, Sayid is not a happy guy. Talk quickly. Yeah, I'm not sure he can do the whole story "quickly". So this is post getting off island, but Walt is not with him? Pinning a note on himself, a suicide note maybe? Holy crap!! Who was he saying "sorry" to? And what about?
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Post by Lola m on Mar 20, 2008 20:24:32 GMT -5
Not dead. It was a "miracle", eh? But he's . . . not happy about that "miracle". Hallucinating . . . is that why he tried to kill himself? Well, it would explain the guilt and sorry and so on. Doesn't want her to call Walt. Where is Walt?? Walt is with Michael's mom, she can't tell anyone, Walt wakes up screaming every night. "Will you tell him I love him." Trading Jin's watch for a gun with bullets. Continuing the suicide attempt, I'm thinking. Holy crap!! What's his name, from the island?! ?!! Another hallucination, or have they hunted him down?
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Post by Lola m on Mar 20, 2008 20:37:25 GMT -5
You go, Michael! Hit him again!! Well, don't worry Michael, he'll get his.
"We're the ones who sent you home, Michael. Did you honestly think we weren't gonna keep tabs." Oh, I would soooooo smack him again!! "You're the one who lost him." No! YOU TOOK HIM!
[sidebar]This is my biggest pet peeve about the Others. They keep doing horrible things to people and then trying to be all "you brought this on yourselves" and "we're the good ones" and so on. Because, yeah, none of the plane people were necessarily perfect, but damn! They just crashed. And you all stalked them and kidnapped portions of them and killed some of them and mind-fucked and beat up and tortured some of them. Instead of, you know, helping![/rather more ranty than I had planned sidebar]
Ahem. **unpause DVR** Back to the show, eh?
Whoa. The island won't let him kill himself? WTF?
First the gun won't fire, and now the news. Is this really the long arm of the island stoping him, or . . . just coincidence?
Mr Friendly and Arturo all rizty and enjoying life.
Hmmmm. He says that Whidmore faked the plane. Boat captain says that Benry faked the plane. Who's zoomin' who?
Hmmm. The "evidence" could point to either one.
And there's the ep title. **drinks** ;D
Ah. And he's using the (supposed) danger to all the rest of his friends from the plane to get him to go. Not a threat to Walt, but to a whole mess of people and building on his guilt feelings. Even more compelling, as it were. Ah! And they want him to be a hit man, like they recruited Sayid to be.
Damn!!
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Post by Lola m on Mar 20, 2008 20:49:17 GMT -5
Meeting Minkowski. "We're all equals on this boat." Sounds kinda Dharma-esque, to me.
Damn! And what's his name, the guy blackmailing Benry, knows about him. He's been playing his own game all along.
Oh, Michael. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?!
Helicopter man tells Michael about the faking of the plane crash. The owner of this boat believes me. Can you imagine what would happen if we found some of those people alive. Ah! Contradictions present themselves. Helicopter guy seems to be wanting to save the survivors. But then there's army type guys, practicing with automatic weapons. Who are the bad guys? Who are the good guys? Are there really any good or bad guys?
Damn. They sent him a bomb?
Whoa!!!!!!! Hallucination whats her name, telling him not to do it!!
He plans to die along with the bomb . . . "I love you Walt." Only they've just messed with his head. How evil! The "not yet" pop up message is just . . . welll . . .
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Post by Lola m on Mar 20, 2008 21:04:12 GMT -5
"Goin' Nicholson on us?" Well, soon all the boat people will be doing that, so . . . . Oh, that's cruel. Making him think it was Walt and it's Benry. That's just cruel. Oh, Benry. You sooooo will kill innocent people. You have. And that is such a cop out that Michael is the only one responsible for killing. Yes he did the shooting, that is totally true. But you set it in motion and the second person was an accident. And you gassed all those Dharma people. "Consider yourself one of the good guys." Errrggggggghhhhhh! Whoa. Sayid tells the Captain all. Damn!! How does he come to end up dong the same thing as Michael - working for Benry? Karl has a bad feeling. Gee, I wonder why? "What if your dad is, playing us?" Oh, that would never happen. Holy crap!!! Run with Rousseau . . . HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!! Damn damn damn damn!! I should have known . . . . once she told her daughter she loved her . . . "I'm Ben's daughter, I'm Ben's daughter . . ." OMGWTFBBQBLOWDARTSROUSSEAUISDEAD?! And then scenes from next week? Whoa!!! **hyperventilates a bit** Whoa!!!!!
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Post by fish1941 on Mar 20, 2008 23:17:14 GMT -5
Wow Sawyer! B*tching about Michael's crimes, when he has the blood of three men on his hands. Hypocrite much?
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Post by Sara on Mar 21, 2008 9:47:29 GMT -5
Wow Sawyer! B*tching about Michael's crimes, when he has the blood of three men on his hands. Hypocrite much? Excellent point. Reminds me a bit of the time Sayid and Sawyer were laying into Juliet, to which she responded by noting neither of them was exactly an altar boy. I suspect that, in Sawyer's mind, Michael's crimes are worse. For one, Michael shot two innocent people; Sawyer mistakenly killed a man he believed to have instigated his parents' murder/suicide (and who'd been involved with Sawyer's partner-in-crime in the past), the man who actually was the instigator of said deaths, and a guy who'd kidnapped a child and left him, Jin, and Michael for dead. Two, and perhaps most important to Sawyer, is Michael's betrayal. The two women he killed weren't strangers, or potential threats—they were fellow survivors, part of the community, and people who trusted him. On top of that, he delivered four more of his friends into Ben's hands, leaving them bound and gagged while he sped off towards his freedom. Plus, given what we saw of Michael and the guilt he's been carrying all this time I have a feeling he'd agree with Sawyer that what he did was far worse than any of Sawyer's crimes.
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Post by Sara on Mar 21, 2008 9:49:26 GMT -5
You go, Michael! Hit him again!! Well, don't worry Michael, he'll get his. "We're the ones who sent you home, Michael. Did you honestly think we weren't gonna keep tabs." Oh, I would soooooo smack him again!! "You're the one who lost him." No! YOU TOOK HIM! [sidebar]This is my biggest pet peeve about the Others. They keep doing horrible things to people and then trying to be all "you brought this on yourselves" and "we're the good ones" and so on. Because, yeah, none of the plane people were necessarily perfect, but damn! They just crashed. And you all stalked them and kidnapped portions of them and killed some of them and mind-fucked and beat up and tortured some of them. Instead of, you know, helping![/rather more ranty than I had planned sidebar] Ahem. **unpause DVR** Back to the show, eh? Whoa. The island won't let him kill himself? WTF? First the gun won't fire, and now the news. Is this really the long arm of the island stoping him, or . . . just coincidence? Mr Friendly and Arturo all rizty and enjoying life.Hmmmm. He says that Whidmore faked the plane. Boat captain says that Benry faked the plane. Who's zoomin' who? Hmmm. The "evidence" could point to either one. And there's the ep title. **drinks** ;D Ah. And he's using the (supposed) danger to all the rest of his friends from the plane to get him to go. Not a threat to Walt, but to a whole mess of people and building on his guilt feelings. Even more compelling, as it were. Ah! And they want him to be a hit man, like they recruited Sayid to be. Damn!! Me, I was psyched over finally having it confirmed that when Tom told Kate she wasn't his type he meant it—and for the exact reason most of us suspected.
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Post by fish1941 on Mar 21, 2008 10:00:19 GMT -5
If betraying the group was a bigger crime to Sawyer than killing two women, that doesn't say much for him. At least in my eyes.
Nor do I care whether Ana-Lucia (who is not exactly an innocent) and Libby were innocent of Walt's kidnapping and Tom wasn't. Or that they had never conned Sawyer's parents. Murder is murder, whether the victim is a good guy or a villain. He went into such a rant over what Michael did that he failed to mention that the latter did it to get Walt out of Ben's clutches. Instead, he mentioned that Michael committed those crimes simply to get off the island. This is coming from the same guy who murdered Tom in cold blood apparently for Walt's kidnapping. Makes me wondered if Sawyer's excuse for killing Tom was really about Walt.
As far as I'm concerned, Sawyer is a hypocrite.
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Post by Sue on Mar 21, 2008 10:27:02 GMT -5
If betraying the group was a bigger crime to Sawyer than killing two women, that doesn't say much for him. At least in my eyes. Nor do I care whether Ana-Lucia (who is not exactly an innocent) and Libby were innocent of Walt's kidnapping and Tom wasn't. Or that they had never conned Sawyer's parents. Murder is murder, whether the victim is a good guy or a villain. He went into such a rant over what Michael did that he failed to mention that the latter did it to get Walt out of Ben's clutches. Instead, he mentioned that Michael committed those crimes simply to get off the island. This is coming from the same guy who murdered Tom in cold blood apparently for Walt's kidnapping. Makes me wondered if Sawyer's excuse for killing Tom was really about Walt. As far as I'm concerned, Sawyer is a hypocrite. Can't disagree with that. Although I think that type of hypocrisy is pretty much endemic to humanity. It's a rare, rare, human who doesn't (unconciously certainly and perhaps even conciously) attempt to cast one's own "sins" (failings, peccadilloes, whatever word you wish to use) in the "best" possible light while judging others far more harshly. Even the harsh judging of others is most likely an attempt to downplay one's own weaknesses while pointing the finger and exclaiming loudly (or silently, to one's own guilty concious), "well, I may have done such-and-such but look at what John Doe has done that is so much worse!I'm not cutting Sawyer any slack for his actions. I just don't find it surprising that someone--anyone--would deal with his own guilt by heaping burning coals on someone else.
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Post by Sara on Mar 21, 2008 10:36:53 GMT -5
If betraying the group was a bigger crime to Sawyer than killing two women, that doesn't say much for him. At least in my eyes. Nor do I care whether Ana-Lucia (who is not exactly an innocent) and Libby were innocent of Walt's kidnapping and Tom wasn't. Or that they had never conned Sawyer's parents. Murder is murder, whether the victim is a good guy or a villain. He went into such a rant over what Michael did that he failed to mention that the latter did it to get Walt out of Ben's clutches. Instead, he mentioned that Michael committed those crimes simply to get off the island. This is coming from the same guy who murdered Tom in cold blood apparently for Walt's kidnapping. Makes me wondered if Sawyer's excuse for killing Tom was really about Walt. As far as I'm concerned, Sawyer is a hypocrite. Hey, I didn't disagree that Saywer is engaging in more than a little hypocrisy here. However, I'll also say that I personally believe the circumstances do matter when one person has killed another. If all murders should be considered equal, then we're saying a person who kills someone trying to kill them, a person who kills the man who sexually abused them for years because they suspect the abuser is targeting another, a soldier who kills someone in combat, and a person who kills a relative in order to collect a $10 million inheritance should all receive the exact same punishment, yes? Yet in our society those distinctions do matter and almost always have a direct impact on how the killer is punished—as I, personally, think they should. But as we like to say around here, YMMV and all that.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 22, 2008 8:55:29 GMT -5
From the title and the previouslies, I'm going to going out on a limb and say this is going to be a Michael-centric episode.
And I'm reminded that neither Sayid nor Desmond were there to witness Michael's betrayal first hand, which is probably why neither of them has kicked his ass by now.
Teaser
Powwow, about Ben? No, about Miles. And I guess he survived GrenadeMouth.
Locke tries to regain control of the group.
And are these the only left of Locke's group and the Lostie extras are just like "fuck it, I'm outta here?"
"we kind of like knew that since foreverago." Hee.
The boat people are going to kill everyone else once they get Ben? Can we really believe that?
Claire and Hurley do a little reality check.
Ben confirms that Michael is the spy on the boat.
Damn alarm. And it sounds exactly like the one in the hatch.
Trying to desert. Now we see the Captain looking not so dignified.
"Back in the hunt." Interesting choice of words.
Sayid confronts Michael.
Michael's on the boat to die.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 22, 2008 9:06:01 GMT -5
Part I
Sawyer also trying to keep Locke honest.
Ben still manages to have sway over Alex.
A map to The Temple. So the Temple is a DHARMA station, and not just, you know, a temple.
The rest of the Others are at the temple.
The boat people would kill Alex because she's Michael's daughter? Is that really true? And besides, she's not really Ben's daughter, is she?
Or is she Ben's daughter, because Rousseau doesn't exactly deny it?
Are the boat people more dangerous than Ben?
Jeff.
Sayid unleashes some whoopass.
Flashback time!
Michael's wasting water. tsk tsk.
So Michael actually made it back to the US (New York?)
He's as distressed as Jack was/will be, except he has a much clearer reason. And Walt's not with him? Did he actually turn?
Note on his lapel? Trying to commit suicide?
Lemme guess. He can't die.
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