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Post by Lola m on Apr 24, 2008 21:51:45 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with both Sawyer and Locke. Sawyer, with the not dying. And Locke with the "what rules!?!?!". OMG! He's using the magical wardrobe! Is this when he jumps forward and starts his "kill the Whidmore empire in the future" thing? Benry isn't the most stealthy of stalkers. Or was he doing this deliberately to set this guy up? The message to Whidmore is "die die die" apparantely. OMG. Sayid, do you ask to join Benry's team? Oh no no no no. Oh that smug little Benry smirk as he walks away . . . Oh, so not the magical wardrobe. OMG!! He called the monster!!!! He called the smoke monster!!!!! Run run run run run run everyone!!!! That was seriously scarey. And then, "I have to say goodbye to my daughter, John." Man!! This ep is alternately ripping out my heart and causing it to practically explode with adrenaline.
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Post by Matthew on Apr 24, 2008 21:57:53 GMT -5
Fortunately for Farraday, there are also boy scouts on the ship.
And hopefully someone else there was in signal int, so they can get it translated.
Bernard was apparently a boy scout.
"Are you ever gonna take us off this island?"
"No" Well, there you go. That's an answer, even if not the right one.
And now Jack is gonna go have angst. And possibly appendicitis.
"Now that I've expressed my sympath, Ben, WTF?!?!?"
Yeah. Jacob. You know. Wrestled angels. Lives in a cabin with Jack's daddy.
"Screw you, Ben and Locke, we're going home"
"Hugo stays with us" because he can find Jacob. I love Sawyer a little more and more each episode. So fiercely protective. When do we get some good Sawyer/Hurley slash?
"Harm so much as one hair on his curley head, I'll kill you" Oh!!!!! so sweet!!!!! Just like Xander to Buffy over Willow!
And Benry in London. With the kiyoga, again, just in case he wasn't convincing enough. How did he get that into London? oh yeah. The Island Wardrobe. No customs.
AAAA! He's in Charles Widmore's room!
Kill him, Benry!
What nightmares? I daresay you don't have a clue about what nightmares are about.
"both know I can't do that" why not?
"Horrible eyes of yours"
"I didn't murder her at all, Benjamin: you did" And I gotta say I go with Benry on this one. No matter what he did, she was an innocent bystander. Widmore, you frakker.
Oh, crap. Penny's head in a noose.
And Benry's back in my "you creepy little monster" box. That didn't last long.
Wonder where she is?
"Always was. Will be again" did Widmore have a hand in the Dharama initiative?
GORRAM, what an intense episode.
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Post by Sara on Apr 24, 2008 21:59:04 GMT -5
I think I speak for all of us when I say:
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Post by Onjel on Apr 24, 2008 21:59:49 GMT -5
Sara: Hee! 'Night all!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 24, 2008 22:04:36 GMT -5
Back at the Gilligan's Island crew . . . The helicopters are coming, eh? Oh, snap! Bernard so has your number! And now we get the patented Crazy!Jack. You sooooo don't want to rile up the Crazy!Jack. Only what the hell is wrong with him? Heh! Yeah, Miles I don't blame you for wanting to stay with the guys that can call up the smoke monster. Still wanting to follow the Jacob plan then. Oh there you do. "Hugo stays with us." Sawyer, I love you for trying to save my woobie Hurley. "You harm so much as one hair on his curly head, I'll kill you." Yes!! Of course, we know who gets off the island and one of them is Hurley, so now I'm feeling very scared for my magnificent Sawyer. This is all starting to seem like the noble moment before he gets killed . . . Natty London Benry. I'm guessing Mr and Mrs Kendrick are gonna bite it. It's "Charles" - so this is Whidmore? Why can't he kill him? Is this one of the "rules". Hmmmmm. "I know who you are, boy. What you are. I know that everything you have you took from me." So, Whidmore is from the original Dharma, then? OMG! He's going to kill Penelope. "You'll wish you'd never changed the rules." The island is his. "Always was." "But you'll never find it." Wonderful classic old-timey villian discussion thing. That was one hell of an ep!!
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Post by Matthew on Apr 24, 2008 22:07:02 GMT -5
I think I speak for all of us when I say: You certainly speak for me!!!! Dayumn and little puppies! I need a drink.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 24, 2008 22:10:44 GMT -5
If you hand him over, be running out the back door at the same time. "He changed the rules" What rules, and who did it? And he goes into the secret bunker. The wardrobe. And flash-forward? And they double-team Nadia's killer, and Sayid goes all Wes on him. Sayid HAD a chance to get away from Ben. Why is he giving him good advice? Is this a Benry mind game? Or is Ben actually sincere? And so Sayid sells his soul to revenge. Complex open-ended revenge. Why am I getting a feeling that he took a phone booth and made an arrangemnt? Oh, he summoned Cerberus from the neat locked room. Yep. Run. T'other way. Oh, GOD that's freaky. "Say goodbye to my daughter, John" if they suceed in making him sympathetic, I will have to rip my hair out and beat myself with the bloody bits of scalp. Christ. I'm feeling bad for an evil fuck with no conscience. I hate you, J.J. Abrams. Damn you, J.J. Abrams! The Rambos are making Benry's Others look good by comparison!!
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Post by Lola m on Apr 24, 2008 22:12:55 GMT -5
I think he actually thought it was somehow gonna work. Oh, he definitely thought it would work. Too bad it didn't. To have Alex survive, seeing her lover and her mother killed and then to die like that?
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Post by Lola m on Apr 24, 2008 22:22:39 GMT -5
Fortunately for Farraday, there are also boy scouts on the ship. And hopefully someone else there was in signal int, so they can get it translated. Bernard was apparently a boy scout. Bernard was a bit awesomesauce tonight too, wasn't he? You have taken the very words from my mouth, my friend! Indeed! I know!!! I simply must know about these rules! Yes! Whidmore saying that Benry did it is like the kind of mind games that Benry himself has played with the Tailies and so on. Innocent bystander, shot by your man, likely on your orders. I too am thinking that Widmore was a Dharma guy and Benry's gas-attack take over was what Widmore was talking about when he said that Benry took the island from him. But what about the "original" island inhabitants? That I think Benry got together with to take over from Dharma?
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Post by Lola m on Apr 24, 2008 22:23:56 GMT -5
I think I speak for all of us when I say: You have neatly captured this episode. I applaud you, Sara!
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Post by Sara on Apr 25, 2008 8:37:26 GMT -5
Oh, he definitely thought it would work. Too bad it didn't. To have Alex survive, seeing her lover and her mother killed and then to die like that? Oh yeah. Which, I suspect, is what the writers were counting on all of us thinking: after everything she'd been through, no way would Alex get shot by this guy—that's just not the way dramas work. So just as Ben was expecting the rules he and Widmore established to keep Alex safe, we were expecting the rules of drama writing to do the same.
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Post by Sara on Apr 25, 2008 9:40:12 GMT -5
From Doc Jensen of EW: Of course, the irony of my fantastical scenario lies in the profound significance of Alex's death. The future has become unknowable and unreliable — at least as far as the once great and powerful Oz of the Others, is concerned. ''He changed the rules,'' muttered Ben, his battered and bloodied face dawning with horrifying awareness. ''He'' is Charles Widmore, the man on the other side of the cosmic chessboard to which fate-whipped Ben is shackled. And in ''The Shape of Things to Come'' — the ninth episode of Lost's fourth season — the whiskey-soused, nightmare-plagued billionaire Brit made a desperate, most unexpected move against Ben in his mad bid to gain (or is that regain?) that which was once his in the past, or (buckle up for this one, kids) that which was supposed to be his in the future.
P L O O O O OOOOOOOOOOOOOP.
(That was your brain sliding out your head and onto the floor, wasn't it? Don't worry. It gets slightly less ridiculous from here.) (Maybe.) He also noted that over the course of history, the following things have all happened on October 24—the date Ben showed up at the hotel in Tunisia: - October 24 is Take Back Your Time Day
- October 24, 1593, is the day in which a Spanish soldier named Gil Perez ''suddenly appeared'' in Mexico City, claiming that he had just teleported from the Philippines.
- Bob Kane — creator of pop culture's most famous heartbreak-spawned dark knight, Batman — was born in 1915 on...October 24.
- The first U.S. transcontinental telegraph line was finished on — yep — October 24, 1861.
Just a few fun facts to know and share.
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Post by Matthew on Apr 25, 2008 15:15:05 GMT -5
From Doc Jensen of EW: Of course, the irony of my fantastical scenario lies in the profound significance of Alex's death. The future has become unknowable and unreliable — at least as far as the once great and powerful Oz of the Others, is concerned. ''He changed the rules,'' muttered Ben, his battered and bloodied face dawning with horrifying awareness. ''He'' is Charles Widmore, the man on the other side of the cosmic chessboard to which fate-whipped Ben is shackled. And in ''The Shape of Things to Come'' — the ninth episode of Lost's fourth season — the whiskey-soused, nightmare-plagued billionaire Brit made a desperate, most unexpected move against Ben in his mad bid to gain (or is that regain?) that which was once his in the past, or (buckle up for this one, kids) that which was supposed to be his in the future.
P L O O O O OOOOOOOOOOOOOP.
(That was your brain sliding out your head and onto the floor, wasn't it? Don't worry. It gets slightly less ridiculous from here.) (Maybe.) He also noted that over the course of history, the following things have all happened on October 24—the date Ben showed up at the hotel in Tunisia: - October 24 is Take Back Your Time Day
- October 24, 1593, is the day in which a Spanish soldier named Gil Perez ''suddenly appeared'' in Mexico City, claiming that he had just teleported from the Philippines.
- Bob Kane — creator of pop culture's most famous heartbreak-spawned dark knight, Batman — was born in 1915 on...October 24.
- The first U.S. transcontinental telegraph line was finished on — yep — October 24, 1861.
Just a few fun facts to know and share. So. Good day for nontraditional space-time travel. The thing that has me wondering is if it's possible that Benry zipped himself into the future to go and threaten Widmore and Penny only during the time he popped into the closet, prior to reappearing and ordering Cerberus on the Rambos. If it was a flash-forward for Sayid, but a slightly out-of-order part of the linear timeline storyline for Benry. Though it still raises questions as to how his right arm got that surface cut at the shoulder that was bleeding through the parka...
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Post by RAKSHA on Apr 25, 2008 21:21:47 GMT -5
To have Alex survive, seeing her lover and her mother killed and then to die like that? Oh yeah. Which, I suspect, is what the writers were counting on all of us thinking: after everything she'd been through, no way would Alex get shot by this guy—that's just not the way dramas work. So just as Ben was expecting the rules he and Widmore established to keep Alex safe, we were expecting the rules of drama writing to do the same. Except, when I saw Alex being made to be bait to draw Ben out, with the gun to her head, I was pretty sure that she would be killed - because I knew that Ben was not going to walk out and give himself up for the hope of saving her life. He wasn't going to even try that. I thought that something was needed, an intermediate step to make Ben even more vicious, to the point of leaving his comfort zone (the island) and turning Sayid into his personal assassin - and Alex seems to be the only creature Ben has really loved.
There was one bit I didn't understand; wasn't watching closely enough - did Ben set up Nadia's death to motivate Sayid to come kill in revenge, or did he just take advantage of it? I missed his conversations with Sayid - did he say that Widmore ordered Nadia's death - if so, why?
Fascinating and intense episode, indeed! I was surprised when Ben went all commando with the locals - I hadn't realized he was that fast and lethal a physical fighter.
I think Faraday poisoned Jack, btw. Or the blonde (can't remember her name, not Julia).
Gail
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 26, 2008 18:46:30 GMT -5
Teaser
Kate's stripping? Is that a signal for Jack?
I like how Jack's organized his medicine cabinet.
Jack's taking medication? I thought he didn't start doing that until he got off the island.
Ah, he's sick to his stomach.
About why Sayid and Desmond haven't returned.
Jack and Kate are so cute together.
A body? It's NotMeantToBeCreepyDoctor!
Neck marks. He was hung?
Hurley and Locke arguing. They're playing a game, aren't they? Risk, yep. Hee!
Australia's the key to the whole game. Meta?
The fence to the compound.
Hmm. I guess these aren't the Others. So I guess Ben was right.
Code 14J.
Ben plays the piano. Is there's anything he can't do?
Gun in the piano bench. BWAH!! That's so spy genre.
And where else has been stashed guns? I hope Locke et al have done a thorough search.
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