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Post by Sara on May 12, 2008 18:34:15 GMT -5
Folks should be getting their comic soon, so I figure we need a place to talk about it. And I'll start the chatting off with:
THEY KILLED RENEE? JUST AFTER SHE AND XANDER KISSED?!
I know this is what Joss et al are known for—you get a moment of happiness, then get kicked in the teeth by heartbreak. But this... I dunno. To me, this almost borders on self-parody. Although maybe the fact that the two things happened in the same "episode" has something to do with it.
How did everyone else feel about it?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 12, 2008 19:14:19 GMT -5
Folks should be getting their comic soon, so I figure we need a place to talk about it. And I'll start the chatting off with: THEY KILLED RENEE? JUST AFTER SHE AND XANDER KISSED?! I know this is what Joss et al are known for—you get a moment of happiness, then get kicked in the teeth by heartbreak. But this... I dunno. To me, this almost borders on self-parody. Although maybe the fact that the two things happened in the same "episode" has something to do with it. How did everyone else feel about it? I'm starting to find that motif really tedious, myself. |
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Post by Onjel on May 14, 2008 9:43:48 GMT -5
Folks should be getting their comic soon, so I figure we need a place to talk about it. And I'll start the chatting off with: THEY KILLED RENEE? JUST AFTER SHE AND XANDER KISSED?! I know this is what Joss et al are known for—you get a moment of happiness, then get kicked in the teeth by heartbreak. But this... I dunno. To me, this almost borders on self-parody. Although maybe the fact that the two things happened in the same "episode" has something to do with it. How did everyone else feel about it? I wonder if it really is self-parody? I mean, what better place to play games than the comic book. Gotta admit, my first thought was "here he goes again. . .." I mean, give Xander a break already! And, hey, give us at least an issue or three of Xander getting some before you kill off his new best girl.  |
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Post by SpringSummers on May 15, 2008 8:19:43 GMT -5
Folks should be getting their comic soon, so I figure we need a place to talk about it. And I'll start the chatting off with: THEY KILLED RENEE? JUST AFTER SHE AND XANDER KISSED?! I know this is what Joss et al are known for—you get a moment of happiness, then get kicked in the teeth by heartbreak. But this... I dunno. To me, this almost borders on self-parody. Although maybe the fact that the two things happened in the same "episode" has something to do with it. How did everyone else feel about it? Since the relationship was so new, it didn't really seem all that much like "when Tara died" or "when Wash died" or "when Joyce died" or "when Fred died." And of course, the whole comic book motif just doesn't "get to me" AT ALL the same way as watching the actors play it out on TV. So for me - I had close to zero emotional reaction to it. I hadn't gotten invested in the Renee character herself, and though I care a lot about the Xander character, I thought of the death more as "disappointment" for Xander, rather than "heartbreak." Speaking of which - part of the reason I am confused and kinda unhappy with the Dracula storyline is I just don't get how Xander would ever turn to him . . . well, I think I could fan-wank my way to that . . . but the idea that Dracula had any real affection for or interest in Xander . . . the comic book just doesn't sell it. |
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on May 25, 2008 8:32:26 GMT -5
Folks should be getting their comic soon, so I figure we need a place to talk about it. And I'll start the chatting off with: THEY KILLED RENEE? JUST AFTER SHE AND XANDER KISSED?! I know this is what Joss et al are known for—you get a moment of happiness, then get kicked in the teeth by heartbreak. But this... I dunno. To me, this almost borders on self-parody. Although maybe the fact that the two things happened in the same "episode" has something to do with it. How did everyone else feel about it? Since the relationship was so new, it didn't really seem all that much like "when Tara died" or "when Wash died" or "when Joyce died" or "when Fred died." And of course, the whole comic book motif just doesn't "get to me" AT ALL the same way as watching the actors play it out on TV. So for me - I had close to zero emotional reaction to it. I hadn't gotten invested in the Renee character herself, and though I care a lot about the Xander character, I thought of the death more as "disappointment" for Xander, rather than "heartbreak." Speaking of which - part of the reason I am confused and kinda unhappy with the Dracula storyline is I just don't get how Xander would ever turn to him . . . well, I think I could fan-wank my way to that . . . but the idea that Dracula had any real affection for or interest in Xander . . . the comic book just doesn't sell it. I'm going to EETAH that Word. I have STRONG criticisms of this series. I continue to have issues (pun intended) with the Looney Tunes rendering of Buffy, Scoobies, et al. If Joss wants us to be as involved with the characters as we were during the season, why does he allow them to be rendered in Tweety Bird proportions? Then there's the story line. I don't like the Dracula tie in. I don't buy the odd friendship between Big D and Xander "No More Butt Monkey" Harris. It has rung false at every turn ("This is good tea, Master." PUH-leeze!) The only thing that Renee's death has is shock value. It doesn't strike an emotional chord like Fred's death because we never knew her well enough. It can't drive the story forward like Tara's death because they were in a battle situation where a death could have happened anyway. It did nothing but give us a spectacular closing panel. Unfortunately, we don't care. In fact, my only initial reaction to it was--there's Joss, going for the hurt AGAIN. To underscore how bad I think this series has become, I received my Angel #7 and Buffy Omnibus #4 at the same time. They served as a stark contrast by showing how well done a graphic novel can be. I'm pissed off. |
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Post by Lola m on Jun 12, 2008 21:40:29 GMT -5
So sad, the opening panels. The slayer hanging there (gave me flashbacks to Adam, that did) and then Buffy and the other slayers taking her away.  They're really making us see the seriousness of the threats the slayers are fighting. The capture of the vamp and the way they discover the plot to un-slayer all the slayers and then calling in Dawn and then eeeep, it's a trap? Nicely done and quite the cliff hanger! Also, I'm enjoying how we continue to get snippets and glimpses of Buffy and Satsu stumbling and fumbling (well, most of the fumbling is Buffy, but then that's so in character for her) thru their relationship or non-relationship. And, go you, Satsu! Loved her "I'm not following your orders. Not this time." moment. But, everyone knows what a Xander fan I am too, so of course I'm totally loving the saga of Xander and Renee and Dracula. ;D Dracula is just so . . . Drac! All dandy in his shades and suit, non-well traveling and insulty, and so so so very jealous of Xander spending time with Renee. ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Lola m on Jun 12, 2008 21:57:38 GMT -5
Folks should be getting their comic soon, so I figure we need a place to talk about it. And I'll start the chatting off with: THEY KILLED RENEE? JUST AFTER SHE AND XANDER KISSED?! I know this is what Joss et al are known for—you get a moment of happiness, then get kicked in the teeth by heartbreak. But this... I dunno. To me, this almost borders on self-parody. Although maybe the fact that the two things happened in the same "episode" has something to do with it. How did everyone else feel about it? You know, I think I was trying to repress this . . .  But yes, it is so very Joss in some ways, isn't it?  Maybe sort of parody, but it also fits with the theme they've been doing all along in the comics. I think it's like . . . like the sheer number of slayers that exist give storytelling opportunities you couldn't have had in the show. By having at least one die in almost every issue, it hammers home the seriousness of the threat and the harsh reality of the life of a slayer. I mean, when there was just one (or two) slayers, Joss couldn't have his heroine die at the rate that most slayers would (well, Buffy died twice but still). And if you keep having only the "extra" slayers die, well, it's too easy for the audience to get comfortable and the danger is not as dangerous. So I can see the storytelling reason, even as I am all ouchy about the results. |
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Post by Lola m on Jun 12, 2008 21:59:09 GMT -5
Folks should be getting their comic soon, so I figure we need a place to talk about it. And I'll start the chatting off with: THEY KILLED RENEE? JUST AFTER SHE AND XANDER KISSED?! I know this is what Joss et al are known for—you get a moment of happiness, then get kicked in the teeth by heartbreak. But this... I dunno. To me, this almost borders on self-parody. Although maybe the fact that the two things happened in the same "episode" has something to do with it. How did everyone else feel about it? Since the relationship was so new, it didn't really seem all that much like "when Tara died" or "when Wash died" or "when Joyce died" or "when Fred died." And of course, the whole comic book motif just doesn't "get to me" AT ALL the same way as watching the actors play it out on TV. So for me - I had close to zero emotional reaction to it. I hadn't gotten invested in the Renee character herself, and though I care a lot about the Xander character, I thought of the death more as "disappointment" for Xander, rather than "heartbreak." Speaking of which - part of the reason I am confused and kinda unhappy with the Dracula storyline is I just don't get how Xander would ever turn to him . . . well, I think I could fan-wank my way to that . . . but the idea that Dracula had any real affection for or interest in Xander . . . the comic book just doesn't sell it. I'm waiting for more backstory revelation. |
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Post by Lola m on Jun 12, 2008 22:07:38 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I'm not sure if I can put my finger on why I'm enjoying the comic stories, when some folks aren't.
I mean, they're different from the show. Just like a novel is different from the movie is differnt from the musical is different from, etc. etc.
So, I'm seeing them as their own thing, I guess?
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Post by Rachael on Mar 18, 2009 17:37:23 GMT -5
Folks should be getting their comic soon, so I figure we need a place to talk about it. And I'll start the chatting off with: THEY KILLED RENEE? JUST AFTER SHE AND XANDER KISSED?! I know this is what Joss et al are known for—you get a moment of happiness, then get kicked in the teeth by heartbreak. But this... I dunno. To me, this almost borders on self-parody. Although maybe the fact that the two things happened in the same "episode" has something to do with it. How did everyone else feel about it? And in almost the exact same way he killed Anya...I couldn't decide if I thought it was a bad choice or a good one. |
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Post by Rachael on Mar 18, 2009 17:40:53 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I'm not sure if I can put my finger on why I'm enjoying the comic stories, when some folks aren't. I mean, they're different from the show. Just like a novel is different from the movie is differnt from the musical is different from, etc. etc. So, I'm seeing them as their own thing, I guess? I'm really enjoying them, too. I loved the Dracula storyline - and I don't find myself caring much about HOW that could ever happen. It's just...fun. I think the voices are captured perfectly, too. And Joss killing off the girl...well, I didn't know her enough to care, much, and so I wound up at "yeah, that's Joss", I think. |
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They're really making us see the seriousness of the threats the slayers are fighting.
