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Post by Lola m on Jul 16, 2007 7:36:29 GMT -5
I LURVE this episode! I especially love the Giles-Xander exchanges, as in: GILES: Xander. What is it?
XANDER: It, it's me... throwing myself at your mercy.
GILES: What? Why?
XANDER: I made a mess, Giles. See, I found out that Amy's into witchcraft, and I was hurt, I guess, so I... made her put the love whammy on Cordy, but it backfired, and now every woman in Sunnydale wants to make me her cuddle monkey, which may sound swell on paper, but...
JENNY: Rupert, we need to talk. Hey, Xander. Nice shirt. Look, Rupert, I know that you're angry at me, and I don't blame you, but I am not just gonna go away. (rubbing Xander's arm) I mean, I care far too much about you to... (looks at Xander's arm) Have you been working out?
GILES: I cannot believe that you are fool enough to do something like this!
XANDER: Oh, no, I'm twice the fool it takes to do something like this.
GILES: Has, uh... Has Amy tried to reverse the spell?
XANDER: I get around Amy and all she wants to do is talk honeymoon plans.
JENNY: Rupert, maybe I need to talk to Xander alone.
GILES: Do you have any idea how serious this is? People under a-a love spell, Xander, are-are deadly. They lose all And if what you say is true and the entire female population is affected, I... Don't leave the library. I'll find Amy and see if we can put a stop to this thing. (exits, dragging Jenny with him)Nick B is just so perfect in this. And Drusilla going after him! Too good! I should have reviewed this one, as it does have some Spikey goodness - like the part where Angel one-ups him big time by giving Dru a still-warm human heart for Valentine's Day: (Spike gives Dru a gold necklace with rubies) SPIKE: Fancy it, pet?
DRUSILLA: Ahhh. It's beautiful. Mm.
SPIKE: Nothing but the best for my gir...
Angel walks up to the table and sets down a human heart, fresh and bloody. He smiles over at Spike, then down at Drusilla.
ANGEL: Happy Valentine's Day, Dru.
DRUSILLA: Oh... Angel! It's still warm.
ANGEL: I knew you'd like it. I found it in a quaint little shopgirl.
He sees the necklace, picks it up and holds it out to have a look at it.
ANGEL: Cute. (reaches around Drusilla's neck with it) Here.
SPIKE: I'll get it!
ANGEL: Done. I know Dru gives you pity access, but you have to admit it's so much easier when I do things for her. Such a great scene. The actors are so wonderful in it. The whole Spike-Dru-Angel relationship in a nutshell. Spike could just never win, if Angel was around. This was part of what drove him toward obsessively chasing Buffy. So many years later, when he's fighting Angel for "the cup" in ATS S6, you can really hear it in how he relishes throwing his relationship with Buffy in Angel's face. I love love love Giles trying to deal with Jenny and Amy fighting over Xander! Gives me the giggles every time. ;D |
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Post by jeff on Jul 16, 2007 14:27:11 GMT -5
I think it helps if you put together the timeline (which isn't completely fleshed out in season 2). There was Darla. Then there was Darla and Angel, together for 100 years. Then there was Darla and Angel and Dru together for 20 years. Then there was Darla and Angel and Dru and Spike together for 20 years. That's really not all that long considering the span of their respective unlives. It must have been pretty intense period of time for it to have such a lasting impact. Then Darla split off, Angel split off, and Dru and Spike were together for 100 years. I think it's very likely that the Fanged Four were all having sex with each other when they were together. They have that vibe. Spike, however, is also very much about devoted romantic pairing. He didn't have it with Dru when the Fanged Four was together (ref. flashbacks in Destiny), but suddenly, during the Boxer Rebellion, Spike did something that really impressed Dru (killing the Slayer) and Angel and Darla split off so it was just Spike and Dru together alone. In Spike's mind, it must have seemed like he finally won Dru's heart, but in reality, those two events occurred simultaneously, so the question of whether Dru's attachment to Spike was because he'd finally proven himself or because there was no Angel anymore couldn't be answered. Until of course, Angel was back in the picture, and it became clear that Dru enjoys equally attention from both guys (and probably attention from anybody). She's not Spike's Lady, as he had believed. That, and the fact that Angel was capitalizing on this dynamic to annoy and exert power over Spike are the cause of the anger and frustration and jealousy that you see in him. **nods** I think it's been the amount of time Dru and Spike have been alone, especially when she was sick and he was taking care of her (and taking care of her to some extent, always, because of her being so looney). That's allowed him to start thinking of them as "just us, together forever, I'm her knight taking care of my dark princess" again. And then, Angelus is back and so easily takes over again. It's got to be the way he is so readily set off to the side that drives him crazy. Not out of the picture, but just not fully in it either. I would think it'd feel like all those years together were for nothing, meant nothing. Like he was just a substitute while Dru waited for the more important person. Which would be oh so very ouchie feeling.  And tells us a lot about the insecurities underlying his relationship with Buffy as well. And makes it more complicated, because it's about not just adding another person, it's about displacing you. On top of that, later on she leaves him for another demon that had no history with them whatsoever. It goes to show that as much as Spike loved Dru, she never really returned that love. That as well was an ongoing them in his life, from Cecily, to Dru, to Buffy. Spike showed us all that he was loves bitch, and for the most part love seemed to treat him as such. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 16, 2007 21:40:36 GMT -5
I LURVE this episode! I especially love the Giles-Xander exchanges, as in: GILES: Xander. What is it?
XANDER: It, it's me... throwing myself at your mercy.
GILES: What? Why?
XANDER: I made a mess, Giles. See, I found out that Amy's into witchcraft, and I was hurt, I guess, so I... made her put the love whammy on Cordy, but it backfired, and now every woman in Sunnydale wants to make me her cuddle monkey, which may sound swell on paper, but...
JENNY: Rupert, we need to talk. Hey, Xander. Nice shirt. Look, Rupert, I know that you're angry at me, and I don't blame you, but I am not just gonna go away. (rubbing Xander's arm) I mean, I care far too much about you to... (looks at Xander's arm) Have you been working out?
GILES: I cannot believe that you are fool enough to do something like this!
XANDER: Oh, no, I'm twice the fool it takes to do something like this.
GILES: Has, uh... Has Amy tried to reverse the spell?
XANDER: I get around Amy and all she wants to do is talk honeymoon plans.
JENNY: Rupert, maybe I need to talk to Xander alone.
GILES: Do you have any idea how serious this is? People under a-a love spell, Xander, are-are deadly. They lose all And if what you say is true and the entire female population is affected, I... Don't leave the library. I'll find Amy and see if we can put a stop to this thing. (exits, dragging Jenny with him)Nick B is just so perfect in this. And Drusilla going after him! Too good! I should have reviewed this one, as it does have some Spikey goodness - like the part where Angel one-ups him big time by giving Dru a still-warm human heart for Valentine's Day:(Spike gives Dru a gold necklace with rubies) SPIKE: Fancy it, pet?
DRUSILLA: Ahhh. It's beautiful. Mm.
SPIKE: Nothing but the best for my gir...
Angel walks up to the table and sets down a human heart, fresh and bloody. He smiles over at Spike, then down at Drusilla.
ANGEL: Happy Valentine's Day, Dru.
DRUSILLA: Oh... Angel! It's still warm.
ANGEL: I knew you'd like it. I found it in a quaint little shopgirl.
He sees the necklace, picks it up and holds it out to have a look at it.
ANGEL: Cute. (reaches around Drusilla's neck with it) Here.
SPIKE: I'll get it!
ANGEL: Done. I know Dru gives you pity access, but you have to admit it's so much easier when I do things for her. Such a great scene. The actors are so wonderful in it. The whole Spike-Dru-Angel relationship in a nutshell. Spike could just never win, if Angel was around. This was part of what drove him toward obsessively chasing Buffy. So many years later, when he's fighting Angel for "the cup" in ATS S6, you can really hear it in how he relishes throwing his relationship with Buffy in Angel's face. |
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Jul 16, 2007 21:51:39 GMT -5
There is so much funny in this episode.
Let's see, stuff no one else has mentioned so far.
the ending of the teaser:
Buffy: Sorry to say, Xand, slaying is a tad more perilous than dating.
Xander: Well, you're obviously not dating Cordelia.
The cut from the real heart that Dru is admiring to the heart locket Xander intends to give to Cordy.
(Um, that's not funny, I just really like it.)
Cordelia: Your clothes... You look so good.
Xander: Oh. I let Buffy dress me.
Xander: Do you know what's a good day to break up with somebody? Any day besides Valentine's Day! I mean, what, were you running low on dramatic irony?
Xander blockading the library door, and then Buffy simply opening the door from the other side. And then later, Xander starts boarding up the basement door in a completely ineffectual way.
LOL.
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Post by Lola m on Jul 20, 2007 16:31:17 GMT -5
I LURVE this episode! I especially love the Giles-Xander exchanges, as in: GILES: Xander. What is it?
XANDER: It, it's me... throwing myself at your mercy.
GILES: What? Why?
XANDER: I made a mess, Giles. See, I found out that Amy's into witchcraft, and I was hurt, I guess, so I... made her put the love whammy on Cordy, but it backfired, and now every woman in Sunnydale wants to make me her cuddle monkey, which may sound swell on paper, but...
JENNY: Rupert, we need to talk. Hey, Xander. Nice shirt. Look, Rupert, I know that you're angry at me, and I don't blame you, but I am not just gonna go away. (rubbing Xander's arm) I mean, I care far too much about you to... (looks at Xander's arm) Have you been working out?
GILES: I cannot believe that you are fool enough to do something like this!
XANDER: Oh, no, I'm twice the fool it takes to do something like this.
GILES: Has, uh... Has Amy tried to reverse the spell?
XANDER: I get around Amy and all she wants to do is talk honeymoon plans.
JENNY: Rupert, maybe I need to talk to Xander alone.
GILES: Do you have any idea how serious this is? People under a-a love spell, Xander, are-are deadly. They lose all And if what you say is true and the entire female population is affected, I... Don't leave the library. I'll find Amy and see if we can put a stop to this thing. (exits, dragging Jenny with him)Nick B is just so perfect in this. And Drusilla going after him! Too good! I should have reviewed this one, as it does have some Spikey goodness - like the part where Angel one-ups him big time by giving Dru a still-warm human heart for Valentine's Day:(Spike gives Dru a gold necklace with rubies) SPIKE: Fancy it, pet?
DRUSILLA: Ahhh. It's beautiful. Mm.
SPIKE: Nothing but the best for my gir...
Angel walks up to the table and sets down a human heart, fresh and bloody. He smiles over at Spike, then down at Drusilla.
ANGEL: Happy Valentine's Day, Dru.
DRUSILLA: Oh... Angel! It's still warm.
ANGEL: I knew you'd like it. I found it in a quaint little shopgirl.
He sees the necklace, picks it up and holds it out to have a look at it.
ANGEL: Cute. (reaches around Drusilla's neck with it) Here.
SPIKE: I'll get it!
ANGEL: Done. I know Dru gives you pity access, but you have to admit it's so much easier when I do things for her. Such a great scene. The actors are so wonderful in it. The whole Spike-Dru-Angel relationship in a nutshell. Spike could just never win, if Angel was around. This was part of what drove him toward obsessively chasing Buffy. So many years later, when he's fighting Angel for "the cup" in ATS S6, you can really hear it in how he relishes throwing his relationship with Buffy in Angel's face. Eetahs that! Because that is a great Spike scene, really. Yes, a small moment, but important to understanding all the lovely layers of him. ;D |
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Post by Lola m on Jul 20, 2007 16:34:44 GMT -5
There is so much funny in this episode. Let's see, stuff no one else has mentioned so far. the ending of the teaser: Buffy: Sorry to say, Xand, slaying is a tad more perilous than dating. Xander: Well, you're obviously not dating Cordelia. **snortle, snortle** He's got a point, eh? ;D  Oh, the door, I'd forgotten that! ;D The entire "Buffy the rat" thing is particularly hi-larious to me. I love how Oz reacts. He's just so . . . "OK, she's a rat, start looking, sure, no problem" take-it-in-stride guy. Only without, like, so many words.  |
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Post by leftylady on Jul 20, 2007 17:10:36 GMT -5
Oh, I wish you had! Squee! *bounce* *bounce* Eetahs that! Because that is a great Spike scene, really. Yes, a small moment, but important to understanding all the lovely layers of him. ;D BB&B was truly when I started empathizing with Spike. He had lovely tender moments with Dru in School Hard and others but even after the torture of Angel in WML, the abusive taunting by Angelus wins me to Spike's side. Well, that and the multilayered JM acting. Disposable villain, no way! leftylady |
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Post by KMInfinity on Jul 21, 2007 9:36:53 GMT -5
I first saw B,B&B after watching season 4 and 5 simultaneously (in syndication and live) and then went out and bought 1-2-3.* So this episode really gave me excellent background on Spike. ITA w/all the comments about the scene Spring quoted. I already had picked up on the fact that Spike was a "special case" vampire from S4 and S5, and hearing Spike defend his love for Dru made it clear to me - he might be delusional, maybe what he and Dru have isn't - and couldn't- be love, since they're demons, but it's telling that he believes it IS love. You don't hear Angelus talking like that. Angelus' gift, imo, is more about pissing Spike off than pleasing Dru.
IMO at that time, (watching S4/S5, catching up on 1-2-3) Spike was far more "special" than Angel. Angel had an unwanted soul thrust upon him. Spike, despite his very evil ways, had some spark of humanity/soul still within, and these episodes where he is concerned about his love life highlight that fact. Makes me wonder just how far into the future Joss could envision his characters developing.
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Post by Karen on Jul 21, 2007 14:29:29 GMT -5
I first saw B,B&B after watching season 4 and 5 simultaneously (in syndication and live) and then went out and bought 1-2-3.* So this episode really gave me excellent background on Spike. ITA w/all the comments about the scene Spring quoted. I already had picked up on the fact that Spike was a "special case" vampire from S4 and S5, and hearing Spike defend his love for Dru made it clear to me - he might be delusional, maybe what he and Dru have isn't - and couldn't- be love, since they're demons, but it's telling that he believes it IS love. You don't hear Angelus talking like that. Angelus' gift, imo, is more about pissing Spike off than pleasing Dru. IMO at that time, (watching S4/S5, catching up on 1-2-3) Spike was far more "special" than Angel. Angel had an unwanted soul thrust upon him. Spike, despite his very evil ways, had some spark of humanity/soul still within, and these episodes where he is concerned about his love life highlight that fact. Makes me wonder just how far into the future Joss could envision his characters developing. Spike was much more lighthearted than Angel - who had a very brooding personality, even ensouled. Thus, the self-medicating with alcohol. Neither seemed to actually connect with their peers pre-ensouling. One was laughed at, and the other was a layabout. It would have been interesting to see what would've become of Spike if he hadn't had Angel as his role model and Dru as his sire. Would he have been so brutal if he had been left to fend for himself? I don't think so. As it was, even the torturing put him off. I love both characters and enjoyed watching how they each struggled and evolved. Interesting how they both ended up in the same place at the end. |
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Post by leftylady on Jul 21, 2007 14:30:13 GMT -5
I first saw B,B&B after watching season 4 and 5 simultaneously (in syndication and live) and then went out and bought 1-2-3.* So this episode really gave me excellent background on Spike. ITA w/all the comments about the scene Spring quoted. I already had picked up on the fact that Spike was a "special case" vampire from S4 and S5, and hearing Spike defend his love for Dru made it clear to me - he might be delusional, maybe what he and Dru have isn't - and couldn't- be love, since they're demons, but it's telling that he believes it IS love. You don't hear Angelus talking like that. Angelus' gift, imo, is more about pissing Spike off than pleasing Dru. IMO at that time, (watching S4/S5, catching up on 1-2-3) Spike was far more "special" than Angel. Angel had an unwanted soul thrust upon him. Spike, despite his very evil ways, had some spark of humanity/soul still within, and these episodes where he is concerned about his love life highlight that fact. Makes me wonder just how far into the future Joss could envision his characters developing. It is interesting how differently we can view each season depending when we first came to the series. And going backward to re-view early episodes can refresh our initial experience while conversely adding insight from our knowledge of later events. Oh, and don't forget to factor in how we watch whether stretched out over a live season or compressed into a dvd marathon. Time perspective is so relative without the week or weeks long anticipation of another fresh episode. This is really a subject for much deeper consideration and explains why we bring so many different perspectives to the Whedonverse. leftylady |
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And tells us a lot about the insecurities underlying his relationship with Buffy as well. And makes it more complicated, because it's about not just adding another person, it's about displacing you. 
