karen disgustapated
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Post by karen disgustapated on Oct 1, 2008 14:30:17 GMT -5
I found that ABC news had an interesting way at looking at the defeat of the bail-out bill: By rejecting the spending of 700 billion dollars, American investors then lost $1.1 TRILLION dollars as the stock market dropped 777 points. [Dear goodness, thank heavens it didn't just happen to be 666 points. We would never have heard the end of it.] whoa what a spin investors only lost if they happened to have sold I hear that a lot of the bailout money is going to be used to bailout foreign investors. fedupusa.org/
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 1, 2008 15:23:03 GMT -5
I found that ABC news had an interesting way at looking at the defeat of the bail-out bill: By rejecting the spending of 700 billion dollars, American investors then lost $1.1 TRILLION dollars as the stock market dropped 777 points. [Dear goodness, thank heavens it didn't just happen to be 666 points. We would never have heard the end of it.] whoa what a spin investors only lost if they happened to have sold I hear that a lot of the bailout money is going to be used to bailout foreign investors.fedupusa.org/That's interesting. Of course, foreign investors have been heavily involved in keeping several businesses afloat, so it goes both ways. It's troubling, but I'm not sure it's a reason to go xenophobic. I find that site kind of suspicious, too. It's tone is extremely incendiary and there's not a lot of information about the people who are running it.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 1, 2008 16:13:14 GMT -5
Speaking of disgustipated... VP debate moderator's impartiality questioned Gwen Ifill has been working on a book "which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era". She hasn't even gotten to the chapter about Obama, and anyway, the book's not coming out until Inauguration Day 2009. I heard about her work in progress at least a month ago, but somehow the conservative pundits and the McCain campaign only discovered this horror yesterday. Now they're crying that Ifill can't possibly be an impartial debate moderator. I think McCain's campaign is still looking for an excuse to cancel the VP debate, but that's just my opinion.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 1, 2008 17:19:26 GMT -5
Speaking of disgustipated... VP debate moderator's impartiality questioned Gwen Ifill has been working on a book "which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era". She hasn't even gotten to the chapter about Obama, and anyway, the book's not coming out until Inauguration Day 2009. I heard about her work in progress at least a month ago, but somehow the conservative pundits and the McCain campaign only discovered this horror yesterday. Now they're crying that Ifill can't possibly be an impartial debate moderator. I think McCain's campaign is still looking for an excuse to cancel the VP debate, but that's just my opinion. My question is this: why should the debate moderator be impartial? Fair, yes. But there's absolutely no such thing as a journalist who's truly impartial. They "didn't know" about the book? Well, whose fault is that? Did the same people who vetted Palin also negotiate the debate conditions? I'm with you; I think they're looking to delay or cancel this debate.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 1, 2008 20:14:40 GMT -5
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Oct 1, 2008 21:47:04 GMT -5
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Post by Sue on Oct 2, 2008 6:20:20 GMT -5
Question: Is Fox News biased? Answer: 30 second video. Choose your reaction: LOL or (watch the old guy in the far background try to put up his hand for McCain and his wife pulls it down)
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Oct 2, 2008 8:51:05 GMT -5
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Oct 2, 2008 8:52:27 GMT -5
Speaking of disgustipated... VP debate moderator's impartiality questioned Gwen Ifill has been working on a book "which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era". She hasn't even gotten to the chapter about Obama, and anyway, the book's not coming out until Inauguration Day 2009. I heard about her work in progress at least a month ago, but somehow the conservative pundits and the McCain campaign only discovered this horror yesterday. Now they're crying that Ifill can't possibly be an impartial debate moderator. I think McCain's campaign is still looking for an excuse to cancel the VP debate, but that's just my opinion. My question is this: why should the debate moderator be impartial? Fair, yes. But there's absolutely no such thing as a journalist who's truly impartial. They "didn't know" about the book? Well, whose fault is that? Did the same people who vetted Palin also negotiate the debate conditions? I'm with you; I think they're looking to delay or cancel this debate. Well, you know, it was only discussed in boutique publications like The Washington Post and Time magazine. Julia,
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 2, 2008 9:03:46 GMT -5
My question is this: why should the debate moderator be impartial? Fair, yes. But there's absolutely no such thing as a journalist who's truly impartial. They "didn't know" about the book? Well, whose fault is that? Did the same people who vetted Palin also negotiate the debate conditions? I'm with you; I think they're looking to delay or cancel this debate. Well, you know, it was only discussed in boutique publications like The Washington Postand Time magazine. Julia, But Palin reads all the newspapers and magazines - she said so. Couric: What, specifically?
Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.
Couric: Can you name a few?
Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.
She must have read at least one press release about Gwen Ifill's book, no?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 2, 2008 9:07:22 GMT -5
Some of the article did seem spun negatively. But I find it interesting to see a different interpretation of the events in McCain's life. This part in particular seemed very pertinent: Even those in the military who celebrate McCain's patriotism and sacrifice question why his POW experience has been elevated as his top qualification to be commander in chief. "It took guts to go through that and to come out reasonably intact and able to pick up the pieces of your life and move on," says Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, who has known McCain since the 1980s. "It is unquestionably a demonstration of the character of the man. But I don't think that it is a special qualification for being president of the United States. In some respects, I'm not sure that's the kind of character I want sitting in the Oval Office. I'm not sure that much time in a prisoner-of-war status doesn't do something to you. Doesn't do something to you psychologically, doesn't do something to you that might make you a little more volatile, a little less apt to listen to reason, a little more inclined to be volcanic in your temperament."Reminds me of this article I saw in the times a while ago about why McCain is so supportive of the Iraq War while other Vietnam vets in the Senate are so opposed. The McCain Doctrines.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 2, 2008 9:11:39 GMT -5
Heh.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 2, 2008 10:06:13 GMT -5
Some of the article did seem spun negatively. But I find it interesting to see a different interpretation of the events in McCain's life. This part in particular seemed very pertinent: Even those in the military who celebrate McCain's patriotism and sacrifice question why his POW experience has been elevated as his top qualification to be commander in chief. "It took guts to go through that and to come out reasonably intact and able to pick up the pieces of your life and move on," says Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, who has known McCain since the 1980s. "It is unquestionably a demonstration of the character of the man. But I don't think that it is a special qualification for being president of the United States. In some respects, I'm not sure that's the kind of character I want sitting in the Oval Office. I'm not sure that much time in a prisoner-of-war status doesn't do something to you. Doesn't do something to you psychologically, doesn't do something to you that might make you a little more volatile, a little less apt to listen to reason, a little more inclined to be volcanic in your temperament."Reminds me of this article I saw in the times a while ago about why McCain is so supportive of the Iraq War while other Vietnam vets in the Senate are so opposed. The McCain Doctrines.The author wants to tell me McCain is "a little more volatile, a little less apt to listen to reason, a little more inclined to be volcanic in temperament" then he should point to concrete examples in McCain's behavior, and he'll be on his way to convincing me. I wish he would not amateur analyze his subject. Mostly, I wish he was not trying to turn this plainly, obviously positive indicator about MCain's character - that he has overcome such awful adversity so well - into a negative. "I'm not sure" some of Obama's experiences (with his dad's uninvolvement and Mom's relatively early death and growing up as "black" in a "white" household) haven't had some negative effects on him and his overall emotional stability either. But I admire Obama for overcoming such negatives and doing so well in his life - and I admire McCain for the same. Fair or not, to me, stuff like this turns me off completely to the author and anything he's got to say. To me, it's "spin" of the worst sort (personal, unverifiable, nasty).
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Post by Rachael on Oct 2, 2008 10:27:00 GMT -5
Well, you know, it was only discussed in boutique publications like The Washington Postand Time magazine. Julia, But Palin reads all the newspapers and magazines - she said so. Couric: What, specifically?
Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.
Couric: Can you name a few?
Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.
She must have read at least one press release about Gwen Ifill's book, no? You know, I just saw some YouTube footage of her from her Alaska Gov's race...she could put whole sentences together and everything. What the hell happened to her?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Oct 2, 2008 10:44:36 GMT -5
But Palin reads all the newspapers and magazines - she said so. Couric: What, specifically?
Palin: Um, all of them, any of them that have been in front of me all these years.
Couric: Can you name a few?
Palin: I have a vast variety of sources where we get our news, too. Alaska isn't a foreign country, where it's kind of suggested, "Wow, how could you keep in touch with what the rest of Washington, D.C., may be thinking when you live up there in Alaska?" Believe me, Alaska is like a microcosm of America.
She must have read at least one press release about Gwen Ifill's book, no? You know, I just saw some YouTube footage of her from her Alaska Gov's race...she could put whole sentences together and everything. What the hell happened to her? I haven't seen the clips, but I was just reading an article about her past debates that goes into that question. Past Debates Show a Confident Palin, at Times Fluent but Often Vague.
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