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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 20:27:47 GMT -5
Jacob is the island? Jacob is magic? Jacob is Vincent? Of course, Jacob and Vincent have never been seen together, have they?!!!! Works for me.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
G.I'm thinking that Vincent is the Smoke Monster or Jacob or The Island or something too.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 20:33:13 GMT -5
I found an image today that I think says it all: <snip> Awesome.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 20:39:14 GMT -5
Corn! Kate's toy plane!<Snip> What's in the box? NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! STUPID! YOU SO STUPID!! Or it's Summer Glau. Well, whichever it is will have wait until the commercials are over. *giggling at "Wheel of Fish" reference* We used to say that all the time in Band, and now it's an instinct to respond with that whenever anyone asks "what's in the box?"
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 20:51:55 GMT -5
I caught the last 20 minutes, after not watching anything all season. So I have absolutely nothing to add. Except that when Locke and Ben were standing in front of Jacob and Ben is asking "why not me?" I was hit very forcibly by the thought that it was a Cain/Abel situation where God found Abel's sacrifice to be worthy and Cain's unworthy---for no discernible reason. And, of course, later Cain kills Abel. But he doesn't kill "God." Interesting. Ben couldn't see all that Jacob had done for him, just as Jack didn't see that his father helped him in the operating room - saw it as a put-down. All about perception. Like most things. Speaking of which - do you think that the island might have somehow been moved right before the bomb went off? That 'flash' wasn't very explosion-like. This is my friend's theory. The flash was very much like the flash when The Swan imploded.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 20:59:54 GMT -5
Copied from my lj (oh and Kate and Jack fans . . . . um you might want to just skip this one)I don't know how to even comment on this. Are they all dead? Sawyer and Juliet certainly are, aren't they? Gah- that killed me. Killed me. I love Juliet with Sawyer so much. In all the years of watching this show and it's various pairings and unpairings, no other relationship has owned me. They fit. And of course nauseating Kate isn't the one tossed down a shaft and forced to bang on a bomb with a rock. Why not? I would have no problems with that happening to Kate. Also known as the black hole of suckdom. And look! Token gift to the fans. Hey whiners - you keep asking about Vincent, Rose and Bernard. Hello here they are just hanging out on the island. And building Jacob's cabin. Now be quiet. I loved Jacob and the mysterious other guy and the opening and the wandering of Jacob. Loved it. And so evil guy is possessing Locke? Where are Sam and Dean when you need them? Oh wait - they have a little apocalypse to attend to themselves which AIYEEEEEE - CAN NOT WAIT!!!!!) Ahem. So Locke really is dead. Wow. Jack - you are forever and always an ass to me. I'm just saying. Aw, loved the moment with Hurley and Jacob. Awwww. Why do we have to have that annoying woman and her crew walking around with Locke's body with only one more season to go. None of us care about these johnny come latelies. Now that they have served their purpose, can we have smokey take them away? I'm just saying. But leave Frank who always rocks. So my boss' theory is next season they will all be on the plane and somehow all find their way together again or something like that. I haven't a clue. Just my Juliet. No. If this is because she is in a pilot, I'm kind of hoping the pilot isn't picked up (sorry Elizabeth) and she is resurrected and she and Sawyer get back together in a non-blown up world and la la la I can't hear you. Okay, here's what I'm thinking about the Juliet thing: A lot of commenters and posters seem to be pretty convinced Juliet's dead, especially given the news of Mitchell's role in V. However, I feel like there are a lot of reasons to believe there's every chance we'll see Juliet alive and well in season 6. 1. Mitchell's appearance in V has always been described as a guest-starring role. Most folks dismiss this because it appears her character Erica is central to the pilot. However, I noticed that in other casting news one character was described as a potential love interest for Erica's boyfriend. So... why exactly would the lead character's boyfriend need a future love interest? To my mind, the most likely reason is because said character doesn't survive the pilot. 2. Mitchell was on Jimmy Kimmell recently, and in the interview revealed to him that she'd already filmed both Lost and V at the same time. 3. To date, when a character has died on Lost we've had no doubt about it—hell, we usually even see it happen. Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Eko, Libby, Charlotte, Daniel—we watched all of them breathe their last. And Michael was standing in the midst of a ton of C4 at the moment of detonation (not to mention we watched Christian tell him his time was up). But in the cases of Desmond and Jin we only saw them caught in circumstances that appeared fatal, yet later both were revealed to be alive and well. To me, what happened with Juliet is definitely closer to Jin and Desmond's experiences than anyone else's. 4. Some are arguing that having Juliet turn up okay in season 6 would cheapen the wrenching moments preceding her fall. Um... like knowing Jin was alive changed the intensity of Sun screaming for him from the helicopter? 5. If Juliet did detonate the bomb, as it certainly appeared, then Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Hurley, Miles, Sayid, and anyone else in the immediate vicinity are goners as well. Either that or she succeeded where Jack and Daniel failed and hit the reset button, in which case she's as alive as everyone else after 815 doesn't crash. 6. Lindelof and Cuse have a while before they start filming season 6, and at this point they're certainly aware of what a hit the James/Juliet pairing was with the fans—to the point where they won a poll conducted on the ABC site this past week that asked people to choose between Jack/Kate, Kate/Sawyer, Jack/Juliet, and Sawyer/Juliet. Even an EOnline poll that asked people to choose Sawyer/Kate vs. Sawyer/Juliet ended up with Sawyer/Juliet the clear winner—despite that Kristen, at least, is very obviously a Sawyer/Kate fan. So Lindelof and Cuse have the time, the wiggle room, and lots of solid reasons to bring Juliet back. 7. We actually did have another major death take place in the finale. Or, at least, the reveal of one: John Locke. So, what do the S'cubies think? I think Juliet could survive to become some other worldly thing that would explain some of the yet to be explained wackiness that the Losties encountered in their Original Island Stay. Sorry, I'm not helping, am I? ETA: Another thing that suggests Juliet is not dead is her flashback, which, oddly, is the only one that didn't include Jacob. I'm not sure what the point of her flashback was (aside from explaining a little what informs her views on romance, which, come on... I sure hope that's not all it was, because, if so, that was really lame) if not to set up for something next season. ETA2: Oh! Oh! Maybe whatever happens to Juliet will be like the mirror opposite of what happened to Desmond when he was at ground zero when The Swan imploded.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 21:00:39 GMT -5
Corn! Kate's toy plane! Is this young Kate? Adventures in Shoplifting. New Kids on the Block. *Snorfle* Don't worry, kid, that lunch box won't have any value in a year or so. Yep, Kate. Or Katie. Jacob saved Kate. Hmm. On the sub. The sedatives. Standard procedure then, not just for new recruits. Kate fills Sawyer and Juliet on Operation Blow Up Jughead. Sawyer is *still* pissy about being rescued. *Sigh* In the tunnels. Writing details about how to blow up the bomb in your journal showed great foresight, Daniel. I was actually sort of wondering whether Jack was going to fuck this up, not being a physicist and all. How does Sayid know about Faraday's time table? Swan Construction site. Razinsky vs Dr. Chang. Razinsky is a scientist. The Swan station is his baby. The bug up his ass appears to be hubris. Just what exactly is he hoping to discover that's on par with Edison and electricity? Drill, baby, drill. 2007. The Others are still marching two by two. Displaying a lovely assortment of neckerchiefs. Locke is the leader, Jacob is in charge of the island. Leadership on the island is incredibly temporary. The Leader answers to Jacob. Ben admits(?) that he never met Jacob. Richard and Locke about Locke's death. Richard has no explanation to Locke's resurrection. Richard is immortal because of Jacob. And he suspects that Jacob also resurrected Locke. The Shadow of the Four Toed Foot people have made it to the island. Illana thinks that Lapidus might be "important." A candidate? The SFTF people are "friends." What's in the box? NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! STUPID! YOU SO STUPID!! Or it's Summer Glau.Or Gwyneth Paltrow's head. I could not keep from thinking of Brad Pitt in Seven during each exchange about what's in the box. ;D Hee.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 21:01:27 GMT -5
Okay, here's what I'm thinking about the Juliet thing: A lot of commenters and posters seem to be pretty convinced Juliet's dead, especially given the news of Mitchell's role in V. However, I feel like there are a lot of reasons to believe there's every chance we'll see Juliet alive and well in season 6. 1. Mitchell's appearance in V has always been described as a guest-starring role. Most folks dismiss this because it appears her character Erica is central to the pilot. However, I noticed that in other casting news one character was described as a potential love interest for Erica's boyfriend. So... why exactly would the lead character's boyfriend need a future love interest? To my mind, the most likely reason is because said character doesn't survive the pilot. 2. Mitchell was on Jimmy Kimmell recently, and in the interview revealed to him that she'd already filmed both Lost and V at the same time. 3. To date, when a character has died on Lost we've had no doubt about it—hell, we usually even see it happen. Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia, Eko, Libby, Charlotte, Daniel—we watched all of them breathe their last. And Michael was standing in the midst of a ton of C4 at the moment of detonation (not to mention we watched Christian tell him his time was up). But in the cases of Desmond and Jin we only saw them caught in circumstances that appeared fatal, yet later both were revealed to be alive and well. To me, what happened with Juliet is definitely closer to Jin and Desmond's experiences than anyone else's. 4. Some are arguing that having Juliet turn up okay in season 6 would cheapen the wrenching moments preceding her fall. Um... like knowing Jin was alive changed the intensity of Sun screaming for him from the helicopter? 5. If Juliet did detonate the bomb, as it certainly appeared, then Sawyer, Jack, Kate, Hurley, Miles, Sayid, and anyone else in the immediate vicinity are goners as well. Either that or she succeeded where Jack and Daniel failed and hit the reset button, in which case she's as alive as everyone else after 815 doesn't crash. 6. Lindelof and Cuse have a while before they start filming season 6, and at this point they're certainly aware of what a hit the James/Juliet pairing was with the fans—to the point where they won a poll conducted on the ABC site this past week that asked people to choose between Jack/Kate, Kate/Sawyer, Jack/Juliet, and Sawyer/Juliet. Even an EOnline poll that asked people to choose Sawyer/Kate vs. Sawyer/Juliet ended up with Sawyer/Juliet the clear winner—despite that Kristen, at least, is very obviously a Sawyer/Kate fan. So Lindelof and Cuse have the time, the wiggle room, and lots of solid reasons to bring Juliet back. 7. We actually did have another major death take place in the finale. Or, at least, the reveal of one: John Locke. So, what do the S'cubies think? I whole-heartedly agree with your reasoning. Juliet is NOT dead, IMO. This is Lost. If Locke can survive an eight-story fall, and Jin can survive an explosion, Juliet can survive them both at the same time because she is just that awesome and kick-ass. Makes sense to me!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 21:02:19 GMT -5
Sharing this comment from another board for the funny, not as a political statement. But if someone feels it's wrong to keep on this thread, just let me know and I'll take care of it: So two men live together for a very long time, building warm fires and engaging in looming pretty blankets. And they spend their days watching sailing vessels on the ocean while reclining on the beach. And then one of them turns to the other and says, "Do you have any idea how much I want to kill you?"
Which just goes to show that at the end of the day gay marriage is still just marriage.So I'm not the only one who was thinking that!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 21:34:18 GMT -5
Jacob was played by Mark Pellegrino who played Rita's ex Paul on Dexter while the other guy was played by Titus Welliver who played Kyle Hollis, the guy who committed the murders that Crews was framed for, on Life (he was also on Deadwood), which explains why they looked familiar.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 15, 2009 22:28:42 GMT -5
Doc Jensen's reminded me that we saw Ben celebrate his birthday in the 3rd season (Dec 19th according to the official timeline), so he was... wait for it... lying about being a Pisces.
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Post by Sara on May 16, 2009 21:52:27 GMT -5
In my ongoing quest to find as many ways possible to convince myself Juliet is alive, I realized something interesting yesterday: neither when Sawyer was trying to pull Juliet out of the hole nor when she was struggling to detonate the bomb did they use the "Life and Death" theme that almost always accompanies the death of a major character—we encountered it first when Boone died, quite memorably during Charlie's last moments, and I remember hearing hints of it when Charlotte died. I'd have to go back through all the character death scenes to determine if it's always used, although I suspect not. But to my mind, if Juliet really was about to die while making a noble sacrifice (either in letting go of Sawyer or by detonating the bomb) they'd have used "Life and Death" again. Heck, we didn't even get the musical theme from "Lafleur," recently revisited as she and Sawyer were about to get on the sub. The soundtrack that accompanied the struggle at the top of the hole and her attempts to hit the bomb was very powerful music, as always, but Giacchino is too smart a composer for me to believe anything other than that he made a conscious choice not to go to one of the show's signature musical themes in what would appear to be a perfect moment for it. ETA: If I've done things correctly, I've made a copy of the song that you can download here (the part you're most likely to recognize starts at 00:44).
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Post by RAKSHA on May 17, 2009 10:22:00 GMT -5
Did the death theme play when Ben was strangling Locke? I don't really remember much of the music; and I don't have a dvr, or can I download music, so I just don't know...
Anyway, I would think, even semi-realistically, that Juliet's injuries were fatal even if the bomb exploding whisked her off to somewhere else. Unless the Island healed her as it did Locke - but was that the Island or Esau or Jacob?
G.
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Post by Squeemonster on May 17, 2009 19:53:33 GMT -5
Did the death theme play when Ben was strangling Locke? I don't really remember much of the music; and I don't have a dvr, or can I download music, so I just don't know...
Anyway, I would think, even semi-realistically, that Juliet's injuries were fatal even if the bomb exploding whisked her off to somewhere else. Unless the Island healed her as it did Locke - but was that the Island or Esau or Jacob?
G. Well, I would have thought Locke's injuries falling from an eight story window were fatal. And that Jin's injuries from the boat explosion at sea were fatal. But that was wrong on both counts. So, I'd say no one can count Juliet out just yet.....
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 17, 2009 21:57:46 GMT -5
Now that we've seen several characters interacting with the Smoke Monster, I'm wondering why it killed the pilot in The Pilot.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on May 20, 2009 18:07:03 GMT -5
I rewatched NotLocke's scenes over again and it's fascinating how differently they read. Almost every line has a double meaning, and Terry O'Quinn did such a fantastic job with the nuance. One thing that really struck me was that NotLocke was very insistent that Sun continue to accompany him, to the point of practically threatening her with never seeing Jin again. I wonder why it was so important that Sun stay with him.
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