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Post by Sue on Jun 6, 2011 18:26:07 GMT -5
Jon Stewart is going to be truly unhappy.
He's always been clear that he is a close personal friend of Anthony Weiner -- back to childhood practically. And he wasn't happy about covering the twitpic story in the least.
Now it turns out to be true.
I just do NOT understand at all.
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Post by Queen E on Jun 6, 2011 20:06:48 GMT -5
Jon Stewart is going to be truly unhappy. He's always been clear that he is a close personal friend of Anthony Weiner -- back to childhood practically. And he wasn't happy about covering the twitpic story in the least. Now it turns out to be true. I just do NOT understand at all. I was just thinking the exact same thing. I really really don't understand the congressional/political male mindset. I mean, you don't see Olympia Snow or Nancy Pelosi engaged in sex scandals. In a single freakin' year: John Ensign, Christopher Lee, that guy with the Argentinian mistress, Arnold S, John Edwards, that other guy who went on vacation with his rentboy, and now Anthony Weiner. Is it the combo of testosterone and bill-passing power?
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 6, 2011 23:44:10 GMT -5
Jon Stewart is going to be truly unhappy. He's always been clear that he is a close personal friend of Anthony Weiner -- back to childhood practically. And he wasn't happy about covering the twitpic story in the least. Now it turns out to be true. I just do NOT understand at all. I was just thinking the exact same thing. I really really don't understand the congressional/political male mindset. I mean, you don't see Olympia Snow or Nancy Pelosi engaged in sex scandals. In a single freakin' year: John Ensign, Christopher Lee, that guy with the Argentinian mistress, Arnold S, John Edwards, that other guy who went on vacation with his rentboy, and now Anthony Weiner. Is it the combo of testosterone and bill-passing power? My theory: I think that certain professions, in particular those that are likely to bring the position-holder fame, fans, and power, attract more than their share of arrogant, completely self-absorbed assholes. They seek adulation in as many ways as they can get it, they feel entitled to do as they please, and they think of themselves as invulnerable and WAY too smart to get caught. I think men see sex, and getting attractive young women (or for some, men) interested in having sex with them, as a very powerful external validation that they are as absolutely AWESOME and SPECIAL as they know they are. That kind of ego needs to be fed a very steady diet of applause and affirmation, and nothing makes a tastier or more filling meal than sexual conquest. I saw Stewart yesterday and today, and I thought he handled the whole thing well. I mean, it is a comedy show, so they can hardly pass up a Weiner's weiner scandal. What disturbed me the most about Weiner's statement was the part about how he isn't going to be seeking treatment because . . . what was it . . . something like, paraphrasing: "this a deep flaw and it can't be removed by treatment." Wow. He's still using the "I'm special" M.O. Other people may need treatment for problems like this, but he does not. He knows best and he'll take care of it himself, then? Very confusing and definitely not a good sign.
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Post by Sue on Jun 7, 2011 8:41:35 GMT -5
I was just thinking the exact same thing. I really really don't understand the congressional/political male mindset. I mean, you don't see Olympia Snow or Nancy Pelosi engaged in sex scandals. In a single freakin' year: John Ensign, Christopher Lee, that guy with the Argentinian mistress, Arnold S, John Edwards, that other guy who went on vacation with his rentboy, and now Anthony Weiner. Is it the combo of testosterone and bill-passing power? My theory: I think that certain professions, in particular those that are likely to bring the position-holder fame, fans, and power, attract more than their share of arrogant, completely self-absorbed assholes. They seek adulation in as many ways as they can get it, they feel entitled to do as they please, and they think of themselves as invulnerable and WAY too smart to get caught. I think men see sex, and getting attractive young women (or for some, men) interested in having sex with them, as a very powerful external validation that they are as absolutely AWESOME and SPECIAL as they know they are. That kind of ego needs to be fed a very steady diet of applause and affirmation, and nothing makes a tastier or more filling meal than sexual conquest. I saw Stewart yesterday and today, and I thought he handled the whole thing well. I mean, it is a comedy show, so they can hardly pass up a Weiner's weiner scandal. What disturbed me the most about Weiner's statement was the part about how he isn't going to be seeking treatment because . . . what was it . . . something like, paraphrasing: "this a deep flaw and it can't be removed by treatment."
Wow. He's still using the "I'm special" M.O. Other people may need treatment for problems like this, but he does not. He knows best and he'll take care of it himself, then? Very confusing and definitely not a good sign. The Charlie Sheen approach -- I don't need treatment because I LIKE the way I am. Did he really say the red? How ridiculous: "I have the bad kind of cancer so I won't get it treated?" You know where that leads, right?
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Post by Karen on Jun 7, 2011 10:15:39 GMT -5
Jon Stewart is going to be truly unhappy. He's always been clear that he is a close personal friend of Anthony Weiner -- back to childhood practically. And he wasn't happy about covering the twitpic story in the least. Now it turns out to be true. I just do NOT understand at all. Hmm....I kinda understand it. It's the entitlement mentality that a lot of men/boys have. I like how some men just don't progress socially beyond 12 and fart jokes. That, and for him personally, the kind of ingrained ribbing his name probably attracted all his life, and the way he learned and chose to deal with it. Let's face it. 12 year old humor is snickered at, a la Adam Sandler movies. Funny thing is that that kind of stuff will bite you in the ass when you are an adult. And that isn't so funny. Although the comedians are having a field day with it. It's a shame, because I like the guy's viewpoints for the most part.
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Post by Karen on Jun 7, 2011 10:37:44 GMT -5
I was just thinking the exact same thing. I really really don't understand the congressional/political male mindset. I mean, you don't see Olympia Snow or Nancy Pelosi engaged in sex scandals. In a single freakin' year: John Ensign, Christopher Lee, that guy with the Argentinian mistress, Arnold S, John Edwards, that other guy who went on vacation with his rentboy, and now Anthony Weiner. Is it the combo of testosterone and bill-passing power? My theory: I think that certain professions, in particular those that are likely to bring the position-holder fame, fans, and power, attract more than their share of arrogant, completely self-absorbed assholes. They seek adulation in as many ways as they can get it, they feel entitled to do as they please, and they think of themselves as invulnerable and WAY too smart to get caught. I think men see sex, and getting attractive young women (or for some, men) interested in having sex with them, as a very powerful external validation that they are as absolutely AWESOME and SPECIAL as they know they are. That kind of ego needs to be fed a very steady diet of applause and affirmation, and nothing makes a tastier or more filling meal than sexual conquest. I saw Stewart yesterday and today, and I thought he handled the whole thing well. I mean, it is a comedy show, so they can hardly pass up a Weiner's weiner scandal. What disturbed me the most about Weiner's statement was the part about how he isn't going to be seeking treatment because . . . what was it . . . something like, paraphrasing: "this a deep flaw and it can't be removed by treatment."Wow. He's still using the "I'm special" M.O. Other people may need treatment for problems like this, but he does not. He knows best and he'll take care of it himself, then? Very confusing and definitely not a good sign. I couldn't find that statement anywhere online. Maybe being glossed over?
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Post by Karen on Jun 7, 2011 15:01:24 GMT -5
Jon Stewart is going to be truly unhappy. He's always been clear that he is a close personal friend of Anthony Weiner -- back to childhood practically. And he wasn't happy about covering the twitpic story in the least. Now it turns out to be true. I just do NOT understand at all. I was just thinking the exact same thing. I really really don't understand the congressional/political male mindset. I mean, you don't see Olympia Snow or Nancy Pelosi engaged in sex scandals. In a single freakin' year: John Ensign, Christopher Lee, that guy with the Argentinian mistress, Arnold S, John Edwards, that other guy who went on vacation with his rentboy, and now Anthony Weiner. Is it the combo of testosterone and bill-passing power? Ha! I think it's a combo of a feeling of being powerless in an uncertain world that makes a lot of men 'act out'. Also - he seems a little immature and naive and on a power trip from being so popular on Twitter. Even seasoned rock stars have a hard time handling fame when it is thrust in their faces. Not that that is an excuse, but it is a reason. Kind of the Tiger syndrome.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 7, 2011 21:09:06 GMT -5
My theory: I think that certain professions, in particular those that are likely to bring the position-holder fame, fans, and power, attract more than their share of arrogant, completely self-absorbed assholes. They seek adulation in as many ways as they can get it, they feel entitled to do as they please, and they think of themselves as invulnerable and WAY too smart to get caught. I think men see sex, and getting attractive young women (or for some, men) interested in having sex with them, as a very powerful external validation that they are as absolutely AWESOME and SPECIAL as they know they are. That kind of ego needs to be fed a very steady diet of applause and affirmation, and nothing makes a tastier or more filling meal than sexual conquest. I saw Stewart yesterday and today, and I thought he handled the whole thing well. I mean, it is a comedy show, so they can hardly pass up a Weiner's weiner scandal. What disturbed me the most about Weiner's statement was the part about how he isn't going to be seeking treatment because . . . what was it . . . something like, paraphrasing: "this a deep flaw and it can't be removed by treatment."Wow. He's still using the "I'm special" M.O. Other people may need treatment for problems like this, but he does not. He knows best and he'll take care of it himself, then? Very confusing and definitely not a good sign. I couldn't find that statement anywhere online. Maybe being glossed over? I paraphrased it too badly for you to be able to find it, I think . . . anyhow, here it is - quote from the press conference, per the Huffington Post: "This is not something that can be treated away. It is a deep weakness of mine, and it is a mistake."
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Post by Karen on Jun 9, 2011 9:28:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the link! He said this also - The congressman insisted that his marriage would survive, and said he might seek psychiatric help. “I'm going to try to handle this, and I have not ruled out seeing someone,” he said. “This is a deep weakness that I have demonstrated, and for that I apologize." He said this after explaining that he and his wife were not going to separate. Looks like he might have had a conversation with his wife that made him reconsider his previous statement of not seeking treatment.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 9, 2011 17:42:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the link! He said this also - The congressman insisted that his marriage would survive, and said he might seek psychiatric help. “I'm going to try to handle this, and I have not ruled out seeing someone,” he said. “This is a deep weakness that I have demonstrated, and for that I apologize." He said this after explaining that he and his wife were not going to separate. Looks like he might have had a conversation with his wife that made him reconsider his previous statement of not seeking treatment. Yeah, it sounds like he had a conversation with his wife and she told him she wants him to get treatment. But what stands out to me is that he still isn't saying he will . . . just that he might. He's probably not wrong that this problem would be very difficult to treat. But I can't imagine how he'd be able to to figure out how to try to manage it, without help. This is truly a personal decision, so I'm not saying this to judge his wife, or act like I know more than she does about the situation - I say this just to discuss: I honestly can't imagine staying married to this guy.I can see forgiving him, if for no one's sake but my own. I definitely wouldn't say one word to the press, ever, and wouldn't bitch to anyone but a very, very close friend and confidant, to blow off steam. But I can't see wanting to spend time with the guy, ever, even as a friend. If there is a pregnancy involved, as I've heard reported as a possiblity here, then I'd have to figure out how to be peaceable and polite and such . . . but well, that would be it. Again, I think there is more than one legit way to look at this, but I wouldn't see divorcing him as breaking the "till death do us part" marriage vows. How can you break something that has already been shattered to microscopic bits by the other party?
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Post by Sue on Jun 9, 2011 19:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by Karen on Jun 10, 2011 13:19:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the link! He said this also - The congressman insisted that his marriage would survive, and said he might seek psychiatric help. “I'm going to try to handle this, and I have not ruled out seeing someone,” he said. “This is a deep weakness that I have demonstrated, and for that I apologize." He said this after explaining that he and his wife were not going to separate. Looks like he might have had a conversation with his wife that made him reconsider his previous statement of not seeking treatment. Yeah, it sounds like he had a conversation with his wife and she told him she wants him to get treatment. But what stands out to me is that he still isn't saying he will . . . just that he might. He's probably not wrong that this problem would be very difficult to treat. But I can't imagine how he'd be able to to figure out how to try to manage it, without help. This is truly a personal decision, so I'm not saying this to judge his wife, or act like I know more than she does about the situation - I say this just to discuss: I honestly can't imagine staying married to this guy.I can see forgiving him, if for no one's sake but my own. I definitely wouldn't say one word to the press, ever, and wouldn't bitch to anyone but a very, very close friend and confidant, to blow off steam. But I can't see wanting to spend time with the guy, ever, even as a friend. If there is a pregnancy involved, as I've heard reported as a possiblity here, then I'd have to figure out how to be peaceable and polite and such . . . but well, that would be it. Again, I think there is more than one legit way to look at this, but I wouldn't see divorcing him as breaking the "till death do us part" marriage vows. How can you break something that has already been shattered to microscopic bits by the other party? As well as being Hillary Clinton's aid, I read where his wife is also a good friend of hers. I can imagine the chat between those two about their husbands over a glass of wine or two. "Men are pigs - pass the bottle!" I don't know. The set of rules that the rich and powerful live by are often different from those of us in the cheap seats. And from what I read, the whole set up by woman who asked him to 'prove' it was him by having him take a picture with his face included sounds real fishy to me. As in 'set up'. Not condoning in the least, but what he did was more stupid than evil. And way immature. And damn shame for the Democra tic party. I hear the blogger who leaked the photo was high fiving a high seated Republi can figure at a bar the night after the story broke.
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Post by Sue on Jun 10, 2011 16:56:08 GMT -5
Yeah, it sounds like he had a conversation with his wife and she told him she wants him to get treatment. But what stands out to me is that he still isn't saying he will . . . just that he might. He's probably not wrong that this problem would be very difficult to treat. But I can't imagine how he'd be able to to figure out how to try to manage it, without help. This is truly a personal decision, so I'm not saying this to judge his wife, or act like I know more than she does about the situation - I say this just to discuss: I honestly can't imagine staying married to this guy.I can see forgiving him, if for no one's sake but my own. I definitely wouldn't say one word to the press, ever, and wouldn't bitch to anyone but a very, very close friend and confidant, to blow off steam. But I can't see wanting to spend time with the guy, ever, even as a friend. If there is a pregnancy involved, as I've heard reported as a possiblity here, then I'd have to figure out how to be peaceable and polite and such . . . but well, that would be it. Again, I think there is more than one legit way to look at this, but I wouldn't see divorcing him as breaking the "till death do us part" marriage vows. How can you break something that has already been shattered to microscopic bits by the other party? As well as being Hillary Clinton's aid, I read where his wife is also a good friend of hers. I can imagine the chat between those two about their husbands over a glass of wine or two. "Men are pigs - pass the bottle!" I don't know. The set of rules that the rich and powerful live by are often different from those of us in the cheap seats.
And from what I read, the whole set up by woman who asked him to 'prove' it was him by having him take a picture with his face included sounds real fishy to me. As in 'set up'. Not condoning in the least, but what he did was more stupid than evil. And way immature. And damn shame for the Democra tic party. I hear the blogger who leaked the photo was high fiving a high seated Republi can figure at a bar the night after the story broke. NPR did a very interesting story about power and sex this afternoon. Sorry I don't have the link, but you can probably find it. And ... my respect for Jon Stewart, which almost knew no bounds, only grew with his Tuesday broadcast when he totally acknowledged the flack that was circulating accusing him of "going easy on Weiner because he is a friend" (apparently a very good friend since college and Jon was quite up front about that all last week when he didn't spare the jokes). If you didn't catch his opening bit on Tuesday's show google that as well. Faced up to the accusations, admitted it, rectified it and turned it all to comedy gold while being as sincere as hell.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 10, 2011 20:13:14 GMT -5
As well as being Hillary Clinton's aid, I read where his wife is also a good friend of hers. I can imagine the chat between those two about their husbands over a glass of wine or two. "Men are pigs - pass the bottle!" I don't know. The set of rules that the rich and powerful live by are often different from those of us in the cheap seats.
And from what I read, the whole set up by woman who asked him to 'prove' it was him by having him take a picture with his face included sounds real fishy to me. As in 'set up'. Not condoning in the least, but what he did was more stupid than evil. And way immature. And damn shame for the Democra tic party. I hear the blogger who leaked the photo was high fiving a high seated Republi can figure at a bar the night after the story broke. NPR did a very interesting story about power and sex this afternoon. Sorry I don't have the link, but you can probably find it. And ... my respect for Jon Stewart, which almost knew no bounds, only grew with his Tuesday broadcast when he totally acknowledged the flack that was circulating accusing him of "going easy on Weiner because he is a friend" (apparently a very good friend since college and Jon was quite up front about that all last week when he didn't spare the jokes). If you didn't catch his opening bit on Tuesday's show google that as well. Faced up to the accusations, admitted it, rectified it and turned it all to comedy gold while being as sincere as hell. Stewart has been hilarious, as has Colbert. I don't usually watch, but I HAD to watch after the Weiner's weiner story broke. I loved their reactions to Weiner mentioning them and their shows in his "sexy" tweets. I wonder if they (Jon and Weiner) have talked at all since the story broke?
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Post by Sue on Jun 11, 2011 7:44:38 GMT -5
NPR did a very interesting story about power and sex this afternoon. Sorry I don't have the link, but you can probably find it. And ... my respect for Jon Stewart, which almost knew no bounds, only grew with his Tuesday broadcast when he totally acknowledged the flack that was circulating accusing him of "going easy on Weiner because he is a friend" (apparently a very good friend since college and Jon was quite up front about that all last week when he didn't spare the jokes). If you didn't catch his opening bit on Tuesday's show google that as well. Faced up to the accusations, admitted it, rectified it and turned it all to comedy gold while being as sincere as hell. Stewart has been hilarious, as has Colbert. I don't usually watch, but I HAD to watch after the Weiner's weiner story broke. I loved their reactions to Weiner mentioning them and their shows in his "sexy" tweets. I wonder if they (Jon and Weiner) have talked at all since the story broke? Carolyn used to baby sit for a couple named Clara and David Dick. They had a son who had some fairly minor but there special education needs. Eventually they both changed their names to Clara's maiden name because David couldn't stand having his son grow up, as he had, suffering the taunts associated with his last name. Not really relevant, just thought of them.
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