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Post by Sara on Oct 25, 2009 18:09:44 GMT -5
Incredible episode. And as it was written by Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen, who also wrote "Epitaph One," it was very interesting to me to see the bits of foreshadowing of that future scattered throughout this ep; for example, it makes particular sense now, to me, that Sierra/Priya would be the first to tattoo her name onto her body given how brutally her identity was ripped away.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 25, 2009 20:14:58 GMT -5
I forgot Vincent Ventresca was in this episode- too bad he doesn't get more work! And Keith Carradine, OMG, yow... Oh yeah, baby. Was the guy paying for all the dolls, though, or was Echo there on the Carradine character's dime, so to speak? He could have taking advantage of something borrowed from the office.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 25, 2009 20:16:31 GMT -5
"It's about the power." It always is, isn't it, Joss? **nods a lot**
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Post by Lola m on Oct 25, 2009 20:22:00 GMT -5
What Sue says. This episode was hard to watch, but for good reasons, not the voyeur-squick reasons. I think Victor is having flashbacks; he's "waking up". And Sierra and Victor just broke my heart. And also, Echo-Caroline has backup data scratched on the lid of her pod, how clever is that? And Boyd gave her an all-access pass to what? The Dollhouse building, I think. Oh, and do you think Boyd made Topher cut up the body because Topher was responsible? Is Boyd trying to force Topher to grow a conscience? At least this one made me think, instead of just going "Ew, we get it, Dollhouse bad". I just had a horrible thought - what if Topher is also programmed - all the skills, none of the morals? Lola, your recaps are love. Sue, my opinion is quite the opposite of Jim's as well. I feel that this was the most solid episode to date, and if anything would pull fans back to the show, it would be this one. It's a shame that just as the show becomes so intriguing that it now has to go on hiatus for a month. I wonder if Maurissa Tancharoen and Jed Whedon are fans of Quentin Tarantino. The fight between Priya and Nolan reminded me very much of the knock down, drag out fight between Patricia Arquette and James Gandolfini in True Romance, and Boyd called to mind Harvey Keitel's Cleaner in Pulp Fiction. Anne, I like your "horrible" thought. Adelle's treatment of Topher was so tender, it was like she viewed him as a broken dolly. I too think that this ep was one to hook people, the best of the season so far. And OMG, that moment between Adelle and Topher? Tender and luminous.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 25, 2009 20:33:36 GMT -5
I agree with all the comments so far. Last week's episode was hard to watch and as hard hitting as this week's storyline was it was kinda cool to see Priya/Sierra get her revenge on the person that put her in hell. I'm pretty sure he wasn't whispering kind words to her in the mental hospital when Topher showed up. As much as Topher might regret the 'help' he gave Priya... I think for Priya's long-term health and welfare it was probably the right thing to do. Now I'm really curious about Boyd's background... He knew far too much about body disposal and crime scene clean up for my comfort. I thought he used to be a cop? Now I'm not so sure. I want to learn the story of how Boyd came to work for the Dollhouse.
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Post by Lola m on Oct 25, 2009 20:35:20 GMT -5
Incredible episode. And as it was written by Jed Whedon and Maurissa Tancharoen, who also wrote "Epitaph One," it was very interesting to me to see the bits of foreshadowing of that future scattered throughout this ep; for example, it makes particular sense now, to me, that Sierra/Priya would be the first to tattoo her name onto her body given how brutally her identity was ripped away. **nods** And last episode we got to see Topher getting the idea of using long-distance wiping and imprinting.
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Post by Sara on Oct 26, 2009 19:34:41 GMT -5
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Post by rich on Oct 26, 2009 21:36:12 GMT -5
I forgot Vincent Ventresca was in this episode- too bad he doesn't get more work! And Keith Carradine, OMG, yow... Oh yeah, baby. Was the guy paying for all the dolls, though, or was Echo there on the Carradine character's dime, so to speak? He could have taking advantage of something borrowed from the office. My impression is the Echo and Victor were there to "sell" Nolan to Priya as part of his seduction. In the case of Victor it backfired when Priya became attracted to him instead. At which point Victor's mission was aborted and it was "time for his treatment".
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Post by Karen on Oct 26, 2009 22:09:28 GMT -5
Whoa. I mentioned to my friend today how I wanted to find out who did that painting, because it's similar to the art we like. Very cool. Thanks, Sara. You rock!
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Post by Sara on Oct 26, 2009 23:03:05 GMT -5
Whoa. I mentioned to my friend today how I wanted to find out who did that painting, because it's similar to the art we like. Very cool. Thanks, Sara. You rock! Thank Maurissa Tancharoen--she Tweeted the link.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 29, 2013 14:39:00 GMT -5
Ooh, Sierra's backstory! And her real name is Priya.
Echo's here.
Man, this guy is a piece of work.
"It's about the power. There's a ton of money in this room, but that's not power... Art is power, because they can't make it...Let them think they have the power. Our time will come." Interesting...
Victor here too. So this is why the protective romantic vibe for Sierra.
Ugh. This is making my screen crawl.
And this next one too.
But yeah, he's got all these fantasies with her Dollself, but he still doesn't have her. Sierra's got the power, not him?
Nice shooting through the magnifying glass. And Topher's parallels to Alpha, yeah.
You're not looking hard enough. You never do. Mmm hmm, taking the matter to Boyd, but not telling Boyd where he got it from.
Wait, what? Where did the paranoid schizophrenic psychotic thing come from? Was that Nolan's story?
OK yeah. Sierra's was drugged by Nolan. I cannot believe that it took them this long to figure this out.
Nice. Remind me never to cross Adelle.
And yet... interesting to see where Adelle crosses the line, when she's already neck deep in a morally gray quagmire.
I wonder...if this is what sets off the whole disintegration of the dollhouse that we see in Epitaph?
Aw, Victor draining the paint down the drain.
Ohh, Victor is a vet? PTSD made him inclined to sign his contract?
"The reality is that everyone here was chosen because their morals were compromised in some way. Except you. You Topher were chosen because you have no morals. " Mmm Hmm.
Boyd starting Operation Undermine the Dollhouse
Oh nice, Topher restored Priya to herself.
Some people aren't ready to wake up.
I don't suppose that Topher could have included some ninja fighting skills as a parting gift? Though I suppose it is more satisfying that Sierra killed him on her own.
Topher and Boyd covering up for Priya.
Wait, Topher is a doctor? That does explain why he seems to be covering for Saunders, but still.
Priya does not belong in the Dollhouse. She does now. Man, does that get you right in the gut. There's no way she can win.
In the end Priya/Sierra makes the same choice that Madelaine/November did, choosing to take away the pain.
Boyd giving Echo access to the library database.
Wow, this episode blew me away. Thought provoking, moving, and excellent commentary on the worst aspects of our modern society. If only the other episodes were like this one.
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