6.10: The Girl Who Waited

[Queen E]

Discuss!

[Anne, Old S'cubie Cat]

Well, looks like it was Amy's turn to wait. I'm beginning to feel like I've been put through an emotional wringer - this season sure is dark. Good, but dark, and not fun.

Okay, I thought about it, and I think the theme of the moment is to show the Doctor what happens when he meddles in other people's lives. Also, I think the writers are working up to Amy and Rory walking out, because they've really been through the wringer too - lost their child, nearly gotten killed, both of them, and now Rory had to choose between Amys and watch one die, or know she was about to die. Excellent acting, both of them, but very hard to watch. Make that all three of them. The actors, not the characters - that'd be all four of them.

But upon reflection, the writing wasn't quite up to the acting.

Brain hurts. Going away now...

[Sue]

So, this did hit my personal squick center.

Firstly, let me say that last week's ep (which I just watched as well) made me thing of The Shinging.

And now this week's makes me think of Alice in Wonderland.

Both reek of abandonment issues. (Does everyone have them?) I don't think I was ever abandoned but my worst nightmare (and only recurring nightmare) ends with a grand canyon opening up between me and my family and I am stranded apart from them. I used to wake up crying.

And possibly that was due to early exposure to Alice, which I was too young to see and freaked me out.

Something about Amy's armor and the scenery in the garden....

I need to rewatch and since Jim hasn't seen it I will. Very gut wrenching that she came to hate the doctor rather than understanding that he was in fact trying to get back to her all that time (short time for him of course). Remember, she'd also been kidnapped previously and he worked to get her back.

That is the second Amy he has "killed." The first was the imitation flesh-Amy but my goodness he was cold hearted about just dissolving her, even after he'd helped the other duplicates "become human." No way did he want a second/fake Amy.

And then he lies to her and shuts the door in her face. Granted, once early Amy was safe older Amy not only didn't exist but never had existed so it's not like he killed her or even left her behind.

But it will be interesting to see where all this leads in The Doctor's relationship with both Rory and Amy.

And (an aside) -- I've read a few things online that seem to indicate that Rory is widely beloved and a lot of folks really do NOT like Amy one bit. What's up with that?

[Queen E]

Sept 13, 2011 16:32:26 GMT -5 Sue said:

So, this did hit my personal squick center.

Firstly, let me say that last week's ep (which I just watched as well) made me thing of The Shinging.

And now this week's makes me think of Alice in Wonderland.

Both reek of abandonment issues. (Does everyone have them?) I don't think I was ever abandoned but my worst nightmare (and only recurring nightmare) ends with a grand canyon opening up between me and my family and I am stranded apart from them. I used to wake up crying.

And possibly that was due to early exposure to Alice, which I was too young to see and freaked me out.

Something about Amy's armor and the scenery in the garden....

I need to rewatch and since Jim hasn't seen it I will. Very gut wrenching that she came to hate the doctor rather than understanding that he was in fact trying to get back to her all that time (short time for him of course). Remember, she'd also been kidnapped previously and he worked to get her back.

That is the second Amy he has "killed." The first was the imitation flesh-Amy but my goodness he was cold hearted about just dissolving her, even after he'd helped the other duplicates "become human." No way did he want a second/fake Amy.

And then he lies to her and shuts the door in her face. Granted, once early Amy was safe older Amy not only didn't exist but never had existed so it's not like he killed her or even left her behind.

But it will be interesting to see where all this leads in The Doctor's relationship with both Rory and Amy.

And (an aside) -- I've read a few things online that seem to indicate that Rory is widely beloved and a lot of folks really do NOT like Amy one bit. What's up with that?

I don't know, but it bugs me too.

[Anne, Old S'cubie Cat]

Sept 14, 2011 10:47:02 GMT -5 Queen E said:

Sept 13, 2011 16:32:26 GMT -5 Sue said:

So, this did hit my personal squick center.

Firstly, let me say that last week's ep (which I just watched as well) made me thing of The Shinging.

And now this week's makes me think of Alice in Wonderland.

Both reek of abandonment issues. (Does everyone have them?) I don't think I was ever abandoned but my worst nightmare (and only recurring nightmare) ends with a grand canyon opening up between me and my family and I am stranded apart from them. I used to wake up crying.

And possibly that was due to early exposure to Alice, which I was too young to see and freaked me out.

Something about Amy's armor and the scenery in the garden....

I need to rewatch and since Jim hasn't seen it I will. Very gut wrenching that she came to hate the doctor rather than understanding that he was in fact trying to get back to her all that time (short time for him of course). Remember, she'd also been kidnapped previously and he worked to get her back.

That is the second Amy he has "killed." The first was the imitation flesh-Amy but my goodness he was cold hearted about just dissolving her, even after he'd helped the other duplicates "become human." No way did he want a second/fake Amy.

And then he lies to her and shuts the door in her face. Granted, once early Amy was safe older Amy not only didn't exist but never had existed so it's not like he killed her or even left her behind.

But it will be interesting to see where all this leads in The Doctor's relationship with both Rory and Amy.

And (an aside) -- I've read a few things online that seem to indicate that Rory is widely beloved and a lot of folks really do NOT like Amy one bit. What's up with that?

I don't know, but it bugs me too.

Me three. I love both of them, singly and as a team.

As to abandonment issues, he did seem to abandon her before, when "I'll be back in five minutes" turned into years. So she's perhaps understandably a bit sensitive on that score.

I'm having a hard time with this season in general, but that's because it's hitting all my squick points so well.

I have nightmares about being abandoned by family and friends, too. Childhood and adolescent experiences, I suspect; my father could be a real asshat. *hugs Sue*

[Queen E]

Sept 13, 2011 16:32:26 GMT -5 Sue said:

So, this did hit my personal squick center.

Firstly, let me say that last week's ep (which I just watched as well) made me thing of The Shinging.

And now this week's makes me think of Alice in Wonderland.

Both reek of abandonment issues. (Does everyone have them?) I don't think I was ever abandoned but my worst nightmare (and only recurring nightmare) ends with a grand canyon opening up between me and my family and I am stranded apart from them. I used to wake up crying.

And possibly that was due to early exposure to Alice, which I was too young to see and freaked me out.

Something about Amy's armor and the scenery in the garden....

I need to rewatch and since Jim hasn't seen it I will. Very gut wrenching that she came to hate the doctor rather than understanding that he was in fact trying to get back to her all that time (short time for him of course). Remember, she'd also been kidnapped previously and he worked to get her back.

That is the second Amy he has "killed." The first was the imitation flesh-Amy but my goodness he was cold hearted about just dissolving her, even after he'd helped the other duplicates "become human." No way did he want a second/fake Amy.

And then he lies to her and shuts the door in her face. Granted, once early Amy was safe older Amy not only didn't exist but never had existed so it's not like he killed her or even left her behind.

But it will be interesting to see where all this leads in The Doctor's relationship with both Rory and Amy.

And (an aside) -- I've read a few things online that seem to indicate that Rory is widely beloved and a lot of folks really do NOT like Amy one bit. What's up with that?

There's more I want to say on this whole "hate Amy" thing. Because it seems to happen in every fandom, to one extent or another, but it seems to be often superfocused on female characters. There was, if I'm remembering "hate Rose" factions, "hate Martha" factions. Not sure about Donna (as character) because there are some people, particularly in England, who don't like Catherine Tate's comedic style (lots of shouting).

It seems to me (and here I go on my feminist rant), that fandom is looked on as male, particularly such an ancient (relatively speaking) fandom as Doctor Who, and shows with female fans tend to get dismissed...like assuming that we only watch shows because the guys are hot (not that we don't have aesthetic appreciation) rather than its other, less tangible qualities. It's why I've decided not to bag too hard on Twilight fandom, because HOLY CRAP do the discussions about it just boil with latent misogyny. I don't care for Twilight myself, and thinks there are serious problems with its depiction of women and relationships, but that doesn't seem like that the reason some people are dismissive of it; it seems very gendered.

Getting back to my point, I guess it seems like the companions get hated on for reasons that sometimes don't seem to have much to do with the actual story and more to do with how they violate how a "female companion" is supposed to be.