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Post by Techno-bot on Jun 12, 2004 22:55:07 GMT -5
written by David Fury
Directed by David Grossman
Air Date 10/2/01
As Giles prepares for his return to England, the gang secretly prepares to resurrect Buffy with a magic spell. But a group of demons interrupts Willow before she can finish the spell - causing Buffy to return to life still buried in her closed coffin.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 28, 2009 21:37:13 GMT -5
* Still a very disturbing image as the 'Bot is being smashed by demons while the resurrected Buffy pounds on the roof of her coffin below them. * "Nothing. It's all for nothing. Buffy's gone, she's really gone!"  * Buffy seeing her tombstone and then walking into the burning downtown street? No wonder she thinks she's in hell. * So, does the fact that the Magic Box isn't looted mean the curse is off it?  And do the demons not loot it because it's magic? * It isn't a good time to talk about the spell, perhaps. But Willow is also being avoidy. * Mmmmmm. Spike getting the bike. Mmmmm! * Buffy seeing the 'Bot torn to bits, the 'bot recognizing her and saying "Buffy" right before the tearing is another disturbing image, every time I see it. * "This is it, no more surprises." **Buffy jumps in** Classic Joss edit! ;D * Man-witch. Hee! Slayer that might be looking to eat some brains. Heeeeee! * It's so disconcerting to see Buffy dressed in the dress they buried her in. It's so . . . . un-Buffy-like. All the little details, like the back that's been cut to put her body in and the hair that is combed wrong, too smooth. * Oh my. The third really disturbing sceen. The dying Buffybot. So well done and sooooooooooooooooo sad-creepy-sad. Is it any wonder that Dawn is completely messed up? * Looking back, I think it's significant for this season that the gang does end up killing the head-demon guy themselves. * "Because the tower was built by crazy people and I don't think it's held up that well." ;D Also? Only in Sunnydale would it not have been dismantled before this.  |
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Post by Squeemonster on Apr 28, 2009 21:53:57 GMT -5
--Spike standing in the middle of the road and knocking the demon off the motorcycle? One of the coolest things ever. --Why did they not consider busting Faith out of jail in order to have a Slayer for Sunnydale? I mean, other than it's breaking the law and maybe they couldn't get ED and it didn't fit their storyline, I think it's the most logical option. That, or having Faith killed so that another slayer is activated. --"We're not reaching her . . . she's too traumatized." And her hair is too dry and brittle; that's enough to leave any gal traumatized.  |
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Apr 28, 2009 22:21:13 GMT -5
-- Spike standing in the middle of the road and knocking the demon off the motorcycle? One of the coolest things ever.--Why did they not consider busting Faith out of jail in order to have a Slayer for Sunnydale? I mean, other than it's breaking the law and maybe they couldn't get ED and it didn't fit their storyline, I think it's the most logical option. That, or having Faith killed so that another slayer is activated. --"We're not reaching her . . . she's too traumatized." And her hair is too dry and brittle; that's enough to leave any gal traumatized. Yeah, and possibly the prettiest James had been since "In the Dark." Getting Faith out of jail would have taken someone as desperate and lost to personal salvation as Wes was at the end of Angel s4; they don't have the Council behind them (and why? I suspect because Giles knows that Faith is marked for assassination as soon as the CoW knows Buffy is dead), and no-one has had contact with Faith except Angel, who is MIA watcching fishies. Julia, it is possible I've thought too much on this subject? |
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Apr 29, 2009 6:28:53 GMT -5
* Still a very disturbing image as the 'Bot is being smashed by demons while the resurrected Buffy pounds on the roof of her coffin below them. * "Nothing. It's all for nothing. Buffy's gone, she's really gone!" * Buffy seeing her tombstone and then walking into the burning downtown street? No wonder she thinks she's in hell. * So, does the fact that the Magic Box isn't looted mean the curse is off it? And do the demons not loot it because it's magic? * It isn't a good time to talk about the spell, perhaps. But Willow is also being avoidy. * Mmmmmm. Spike getting the bike. Mmmmm! * Buffy seeing the 'Bot torn to bits, the 'bot recognizing her and saying "Buffy" right before the tearing is another disturbing image, every time I see it. * "This is it, no more surprises." **Buffy jumps in** Classic Joss edit! ;D * Man-witch. Hee! Slayer that might be looking to eat some brains. Heeeeee! * It's so disconcerting to see Buffy dressed in the dress they buried her in. It's so . . . . un-Buffy-like. All the little details, like the back that's been cut to put her body in and the hair that is combed wrong, too smooth. * Oh my. The third really disturbing sceen. The dying Buffybot. So well done and sooooooooooooooooo sad-creepy-sad. Is it any wonder that Dawn is completely messed up? * Looking back, I think it's significant for this season that the gang does end up killing the head-demon guy themselves. * "Because the tower was built by crazy people and I don't think it's held up that well." ;D Also? Only in Sunnydale would it not have been dismantled before this. How is it that over a period of six months nobody has noticed this tower and taken it down? This episode is also full of profoundly disturbing images. The 'bot's destruction is horrifying but even more--pitiful. |
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Apr 29, 2009 6:30:21 GMT -5
-- Spike standing in the middle of the road and knocking the demon off the motorcycle? One of the coolest things ever.--Why did they not consider busting Faith out of jail in order to have a Slayer for Sunnydale? I mean, other than it's breaking the law and maybe they couldn't get ED and it didn't fit their storyline, I think it's the most logical option. That, or having Faith killed so that another slayer is activated. --"We're not reaching her . . . she's too traumatized." And her hair is too dry and brittle; that's enough to leave any gal traumatized. Yeah, and possibly the prettiest James had been since "In the Dark." Getting Faith out of jail would have taken someone as desperate and lost to personal salvation as Wes was at the end of Angel s4; they don't have the Council behind them (and why? I suspect because Giles knows that Faith is marked for assassination as soon as the CoW knows Buffy is dead), and no-one has had contact with Faith except Angel, who is MIA watcching fishies. Julia, it is possible I've thought too much on this subject? Not if you're a S'cubie. No. |
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Post by Lola m on Apr 29, 2009 19:57:06 GMT -5
--Spike standing in the middle of the road and knocking the demon off the motorcycle? One of the coolest things ever. OMG, yes!!! **snicker** Dude. The hair! And the dress! |
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Post by Queen E on May 2, 2009 8:36:20 GMT -5
* Still a very disturbing image as the 'Bot is being smashed by demons while the resurrected Buffy pounds on the roof of her coffin below them. * "Nothing. It's all for nothing. Buffy's gone, she's really gone!" * Buffy seeing her tombstone and then walking into the burning downtown street? No wonder she thinks she's in hell. * So, does the fact that the Magic Box isn't looted mean the curse is off it? And do the demons not loot it because it's magic? * It isn't a good time to talk about the spell, perhaps. But Willow is also being avoidy. * Mmmmmm. Spike getting the bike. Mmmmm! * Buffy seeing the 'Bot torn to bits, the 'bot recognizing her and saying "Buffy" right before the tearing is another disturbing image, every time I see it. * "This is it, no more surprises." **Buffy jumps in** Classic Joss edit! ;D * Man-witch. Hee! Slayer that might be looking to eat some brains. Heeeeee! * It's so disconcerting to see Buffy dressed in the dress they buried her in. It's so . . . . un-Buffy-like. All the little details, like the back that's been cut to put her body in and the hair that is combed wrong, too smooth. * Oh my. The third really disturbing sceen. The dying Buffybot. So well done and sooooooooooooooooo sad-creepy-sad. Is it any wonder that Dawn is completely messed up? * Looking back, I think it's significant for this season that the gang does end up killing the head-demon guy themselves. * "Because the tower was built by crazy people and I don't think it's held up that well." ;D Also? Only in Sunnydale would it not have been dismantled before this. How is it that over a period of six months nobody has noticed this tower and taken it down? This episode is also full of profoundly disturbing images. The 'bot's destruction is horrifying but even more--pitiful. And what I noticed this time is that the bot is dressed in the same colors when she dies as Buffy was when she jumped off the tower, and Dawn is wearing red and black, just the same as the dress Glory put her in. I do enjoy this little details... |
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Post by Queen E on May 2, 2009 8:38:37 GMT -5
I find it quite interesting as well that Anya, Xander, Tara, and especially Willow only take action when they think Buffy is not coming back. There is quite a case for Buffy to be made here; that is, they rely too much on her power and her abilities rather than developing their own.
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Post by Lola m on May 2, 2009 21:35:15 GMT -5
I find it quite interesting as well that Anya, Xander, Tara, and especially Willow only take action when they think Buffy is not coming back. There is quite a case for Buffy to be made here; that is, they rely too much on her power and her abilities rather than developing their own. Oh, and oddly, this kind of matches Giles leaving later in the season, because Buffy was leaning too much on him then, doesn't it? Huh. I hadn't thought of it like that before . . . |
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Post by KMInfinity on May 3, 2009 11:41:55 GMT -5
Harking back to Lola's comment in Bargaining, Pt 1 -- that Spike really was part of the gang at this point.
It makes it all the more harsh that they treat any Buffy-Spike relationship as absurd on its face. I mean, Buffy's already fallen for one vampire, Spike has been a Go-To teammate since his kidnapping by Glory in S5, they trust him to babysit and protect Dawn, he's shown kindness and consideration to them in little ways, (lending Giles a helping hand to get on his feet, fr'instance..though not without the snark), and he clearly cares deeply for Buffy...(saving the question of "Is it really Love with a capital L? for later.)
What started me on this train of thought was the scene with the Buffybot and Willow and Spike, where Spike makes a rather stormy exit after the "washboard abs" comment, and Willow chalks it up to how "vampires are cranky." At first it seems like she's placating the bot, giving a simple answer the bot can grasp...except the scoobie behavior later clearly makes it obvious they really don't understand Spike or his feelings for Buffy.
I am not in the camp that Buffy's relationship with Spike indicated only self hate and dysfunction. Yes there's that element, but there's also the fact that her friends didn't accept Spike or understand his development as something more than an amoral evil soulless vamp and gave her zero support or understanding in this area.
I'm really looking forward to S'cubie insights here as we dissect Spuffy week by week!
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Post by SpringSummers on May 3, 2009 13:54:19 GMT -5
Harking back to Lola's comment in Bargaining, Pt 1 -- that Spike really was part of the gang at this point. It makes it all the more harsh that they treat any Buffy-Spike relationship as absurd on its face. I mean, Buffy's already fallen for one vampire, Spike has been a Go-To teammate since his kidnapping by Glory in S5, they trust him to babysit and protect Dawn, he's shown kindness and consideration to them in little ways, (lending Giles a helping hand to get on his feet, fr'instance..though not without the snark), and he clearly cares deeply for Buffy...(saving the question of "Is it really Love with a capital L? for later.) What started me on this train of thought was the scene with the Buffybot and Willow and Spike, where Spike makes a rather stormy exit after the "washboard abs" comment, and Willow chalks it up to how "vampires are cranky." At first it seems like she's placating the bot, giving a simple answer the bot can grasp...except the scoobie behavior later clearly makes it obvious they really don't understand Spike or his feelings for Buffy. I am not in the camp that Buffy's relationship with Spike indicated only self hate and dysfunction. Yes there's that element, but there's also the fact that her friends didn't accept Spike or understand his development as something more than an amoral evil soulless vamp and gave her zero support or understanding in this area. I'm really looking forward to S'cubie insights here as we dissect Spuffy week by week! Buffy herself didn't accept that Spike was changing and felt a measure of love for her - and she never told her friends about Spike, so they had no chance to give her any support. If she had, they probably would have reacted much the same way they did when they learned she was back with Angel in S3 - not with support really, but with reluctant or resigned acceptance, because basically, they had to accept it. The Spuffy relationship has many layers- sort of like a bloomin' onion. Yes, I also look forward to the dissection!  |
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Post by KMInfinity on May 3, 2009 19:24:48 GMT -5
Buffy herself didn't accept that Spike was changing and felt a measure of love for her - and she never told her friends about Spike, so they had no chance to give her any support. Yes - but what I meant was that things might have been different if Buffy had come back and seen the Scoobies had developed a better relationship with Spike, that they had more respect for him, etc. Guess that is off-canon and into AU territory...that's not what she found when she returns. |
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Post by Lola m on May 4, 2009 12:06:12 GMT -5
Buffy herself didn't accept that Spike was changing and felt a measure of love for her - and she never told her friends about Spike, so they had no chance to give her any support. Yes - but what I meant was that things might have been different if Buffy had come back and seen the Scoobies had developed a better relationship with Spike, that they had more respect for him, etc. Guess that is off-canon and into AU territory...that's not what she found when she returns. What I also find interesting is that there are layers even to the "not telling friends" aspect. There's one layer in the conversation between Buffy and Xander toward the end of the season, in Seeing RedXANDER: I thought I hit bottom, but... It hurt. That you didn't trust me enough to tell me about Spike. It hurt.
BUFFY: I'm sorry. I should have told you.
XANDER: Maybe you would have. If I hadn't given you so many reasons to think I'd be an ass about it.
BUFFY: Guess we've all done a lot of things lately we're not proud of. I've always liked the straightforward acknowledgement here that there was bad communication and reasons for same on all sides. I also think that part of those bad communication decisions starts in the next ep we're about to see. Buffy needs someone that she can think of as not part of the gang to share her pain with, to tell about being ripped out of Heaven. She chooses Spike for a variety of reasons, only one of which is not being aware of how much (or how little) he has really become part of the gang. But I think that telling him, and saying that he can't tell anyone else, is the first start down the road of bad communication to come. In a lot of ways. As far as Spike goes, she both elevates him (you're the only one I can talk to, feeding into his desire to have a special relationship with her) and isolates him from the rest of the group. And those two issues will just grow as the season continues. Also, not telling them builds a whole raft of communication badness, with Willow, with Dawn, etc. etc. Not that I really blame Buffy. First off, she still dealing with the horrible ick of what happened to her, but also, she's kind of painted into a corner. And not just by herself. On the other hand, I think things would have gone oh so very very differently if she could have brought herself to speak up sooner. I think part of the problem is that, as the slayer, she is used to thinking she needs to take on burdens on behalf of others. And that is her job, realistically speaking. Giles if the only one who might have broken through that barrier, as her watcher. But by the time he arrives, she has already gone down the path of non-sharing and, IMHO, has convinced herself that she can't change direction now. |
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Post by luvmyfirefly on May 27, 2009 21:49:43 GMT -5
Harking back to Lola's comment in Bargaining, Pt 1 -- that Spike really was part of the gang at this point. It makes it all the more harsh that they treat any Buffy-Spike relationship as absurd on its face. I mean, Buffy's already fallen for one vampire, Spike has been a Go-To teammate since his kidnapping by Glory in S5, they trust him to babysit and protect Dawn, he's shown kindness and consideration to them in little ways, (lending Giles a helping hand to get on his feet, fr'instance..though not without the snark), and he clearly cares deeply for Buffy...(saving the question of "Is it really Love with a capital L? for later.) What started me on this train of thought was the scene with the Buffybot and Willow and Spike, where Spike makes a rather stormy exit after the "washboard abs" comment, and Willow chalks it up to how "vampires are cranky." At first it seems like she's placating the bot, giving a simple answer the bot can grasp...except the scoobie behavior later clearly makes it obvious they really don't understand Spike or his feelings for Buffy. I am not in the camp that Buffy's relationship with Spike indicated only self hate and dysfunction. Yes there's that element, but there's also the fact that her friends didn't accept Spike or understand his development as something more than an amoral evil soulless vamp and gave her zero support or understanding in this area. I'm really looking forward to S'cubie insights here as we dissect Spuffy week by week! Sing it, sister! |
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And do the demons not loot it because it's magic? 
