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Post by luvmyfirefly on May 27, 2009 21:54:32 GMT -5
Buffy herself didn't accept that Spike was changing and felt a measure of love for her - and she never told her friends about Spike, so they had no chance to give her any support. Yes - but what I meant was that things might have been different if Buffy had come back and seen the Scoobies had developed a better relationship with Spike, that they had more respect for him, etc. Guess that is off-canon and into AU territory...that's not what she found when she returns. This was prevented from happening in large part because the Scoobies seem to dump Spike as soon as Buffy is back. She had no chance to see the new dynamic and I think she was so freaked out by what she was going through and her feelings for Spike that she didn't really hear when some of them (Dawn or Tara) tried to tell her there is a lot of good in him. Spike certainly didn't help by trying to separate her from her friends either. For my money, that was the second stupidest thing he ever did. (Seeing these shows again really makes me pine for a happy ending for Spike. And now I know it won't be a James Marsters Spike and it bums me out. I guess that's what fanfic is for.)
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Post by luvmyfirefly on May 27, 2009 21:59:19 GMT -5
I also think that part of those bad communication decisions starts in the next ep we're about to see. Buffy needs someone that she can think of as not part of the gang to share her pain with, to tell about being ripped out of Heaven. She chooses Spike for a variety of reasons, only one of which is not being aware of how much (or how little) he has really become part of the gang. But I think that telling him, and saying that he can't tell anyone else, is the first start down the road of bad communication to come. In a lot of ways. As far as Spike goes, she both elevates him (you're the only one I can talk to, feeding into his desire to have a special relationship with her) and isolates him from the rest of the group. And those two issues will just grow as the season continues. This really rings true to me. And I hadn't considered before how Buffy telling Spike the truth about where she was did further his separation from the group.
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Post by Lola m on May 31, 2009 18:33:16 GMT -5
I also think that part of those bad communication decisions starts in the next ep we're about to see. Buffy needs someone that she can think of as not part of the gang to share her pain with, to tell about being ripped out of Heaven. She chooses Spike for a variety of reasons, only one of which is not being aware of how much (or how little) he has really become part of the gang. But I think that telling him, and saying that he can't tell anyone else, is the first start down the road of bad communication to come. In a lot of ways. As far as Spike goes, she both elevates him (you're the only one I can talk to, feeding into his desire to have a special relationship with her) and isolates him from the rest of the group. And those two issues will just grow as the season continues. This really rings true to me. And I hadn't considered before how Buffy telling Spike the truth about where she was did further his separation from the group. Well, and he want it to be that way too, at first. Because this would fit with them being a couple, sharing things together that they don't with others. I think that it is only later that each of them (in their own way) start to realize how going down this path was a bad decision. For both of them.
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