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Post by Queen E on Sept 2, 2012 0:28:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that sounds not good.
Here's the thread!
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Sept 2, 2012 2:03:25 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what I watched.
Also, I've heard that the Ponds will soon be departing. Any thoughts?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Sept 2, 2012 22:04:33 GMT -5
I'm still not sure what I watched. Also, I've heard that the Ponds will soon be departing. Any thoughts? Yes, I've also heard/read that this is the Ponds' last season. I suppose I'd better rewatch the episode before making up my mind, but right now I'm not happy with it. The Daleks no longer remember The Doctor? Since The Doctor was the only thing they really feared, what's going to keep them from attacking Earth now? Amy has serious abandonment issues, to put it mildly. Not to mention that as far as I know, she's never really talked to anybody, except possibly Rory, about being abducted and violated by those guys from the future and having Melody stolen. It doesn't seem as if she and Rory have really talked in a while, and that kind of rift can't just be fixed in a moment. Also, I know where she's coming from with the pushing Rory away; I do that to myself to a lesser degree - "I'm not worthy of being loved, they're all going to leave me anyway, so I'm going to choose how and when I get left." Amy really needs help; she's been bottling up all her anger and sadness and fear for way too long. I'm probably not expressing that well, but it all made me very sad, and don't even get me started on that poor girl who turned out to be a Dalek. |
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Post by Queen E on Sept 3, 2012 1:11:48 GMT -5
I agree with both of you. The pacing was...interesting. It seemed to move too slowly for me; not that I need an explosion a minute, but it seemed like it was paced almost like a 2-parter, if that makes any sense. I think it might be one of those episodes that will work better for me in the context of the whole season.
I can see where Amy and Rory would have serious issues, even beyond what was discussed in this episode. For the most part, most of their adult relationship has been run run run, different planets, separation, death, weddings, pregnancy, abduction, etc etc. What happens when that isn't there? When you can't avoid the consequences of day-to-day life? I saw a lot of people complaining that Amy seemed unaffected by the loss of Melody, and that it never seemed to be discussed, but of course it wouldn't. Who'd have time between the craziness of life with the Doctor?
Still, I think this episode might be setting up larger themes for the season. Perhaps that we are who we believe we are? Are we human because we think we are? What are the Daleks without the Doctor, and what is the Doctor without the Daleks?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Sept 3, 2012 11:36:50 GMT -5
I agree with both of you. The pacing was...interesting. It seemed to move too slowly for me; not that I need an explosion a minute, but it seemed like it was paced almost like a 2-parter, if that makes any sense. I think it might be one of those episodes that will work better for me in the context of the whole season. I can see where Amy and Rory would have serious issues, even beyond what was discussed in this episode. For the most part, most of their adult relationship has been run run run, different planets, separation, death, weddings, pregnancy, abduction, etc etc. What happens when that isn't there? When you can't avoid the consequences of day-to-day life? I saw a lot of people complaining that Amy seemed unaffected by the loss of Melody, and that it never seemed to be discussed, but of course it wouldn't. Who'd have time between the craziness of life with the Doctor? Still, I think this episode might be setting up larger themes for the season. Perhaps that we are who we believe we are? Are we human because we think we are? What are the Daleks without the Doctor, and what is the Doctor without the Daleks? I like your thoughts. Amy was certainly affected by the loss of Melody. She's been pushing it all to the back of her mind and suppressing her feelings of loss, probably blaming herself for not fighting back and not being stronger even though there was nothing she could do, and (IMHO) that's a big part of what caused the rift between her and Rory. I have another idea; perhaps The Doctor needs to learn that not everything has a quick fix. Or, in other words, the thing about magic, or quick fixes, is that there's always consequences. Also, something about Dalek-girl that ties right into your thoughts about identity: She (the actress, that is) has already been announced as the new Companion. It should be interesting, seeing how they get her there. By which I mean, how they get her from (deceased) Dalek to human, if that's what they do. |
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Sept 4, 2012 21:10:03 GMT -5
I agree with both of you. The pacing was...interesting. It seemed to move too slowly for me; not that I need an explosion a minute, but it seemed like it was paced almost like a 2-parter, if that makes any sense. I think it might be one of those episodes that will work better for me in the context of the whole season. I can see where Amy and Rory would have serious issues, even beyond what was discussed in this episode. For the most part, most of their adult relationship has been run run run, different planets, separation, death, weddings, pregnancy, abduction, etc etc. What happens when that isn't there? When you can't avoid the consequences of day-to-day life? I saw a lot of people complaining that Amy seemed unaffected by the loss of Melody, and that it never seemed to be discussed, but of course it wouldn't. Who'd have time between the craziness of life with the Doctor? Still, I think this episode might be setting up larger themes for the season. Perhaps that we are who we believe we are? Are we human because we think we are? What are the Daleks without the Doctor, and what is the Doctor without the Daleks? I like your thoughts. Amy was certainly affected by the loss of Melody. She's been pushing it all to the back of her mind and suppressing her feelings of loss, probably blaming herself for not fighting back and not being stronger even though there was nothing she could do, and (IMHO) that's a big part of what caused the rift between her and Rory. I have another idea; perhaps The Doctor needs to learn that not everything has a quick fix. Or, in other words, the thing about magic, or quick fixes, is that there's always consequences. Also, something about Dalek-girl that ties right into your thoughts about identity: She (the actress, that is) has already been announced as the new Companion. It should be interesting, seeing how they get her there. By which I mean, how they get her from (deceased) Dalek to human, if that's what they do. Options are: The Doctor may go back in time to rescue her; he may take her Dalek self and re-constitute a body for her or she may play someone else entirely who is a (duplicate/clone/robot/whatever) of the girl-in-the-Dalek. any or all of which might happen. |
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Post by S'ewing S'cubie on Sept 8, 2012 19:49:31 GMT -5
Okay, Maybe I missed something, but when/where was it that Amy couldn't have any more children?
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Post by Queen E on Sept 8, 2012 21:40:06 GMT -5
Okay, Maybe I missed something, but when/where was it that Amy couldn't have any more children? I think Amy said something like: "whatever they did to me at Demon's Run." That was the first time anything was mentioned... |
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