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Post by Lola m on Nov 21, 2006 8:47:18 GMT -5
Oh, and I loved Eden stopping Sylar. It just made me happy. That was a magnificent scene. Simply magnificent. The lighting, Eden dressed in black, Sylar stepping forward and then the pusher lines. (I can't stop going to a Stephen King Firestarter place with this. The little girls dad was a pusher - I love this!) Plus did Isaac paint someone in flames? What was that painting. Great great great scene! And, oddly enough, I just re-watched the 2 X-Files ep's with Pusher in them recently . . . ;D
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Nov 21, 2006 9:12:31 GMT -5
It looks like everybody has said everything already. Sigh. Stupid time zones. Except maybe for this: I believe it happens sometimes that a childless couple adopts a child, then becomes pregnant. One reads about these things. I would, however, like to point out, for what it's worth, that I said last week that soccer boy was a spirit guide. But nobody listens to me, grumble grumble grumble... Anne, especially my nearest, dearest and cats ETA: And furthermore, I suggested last week that the radioactive guy might be the cause of the New York nuclear explosion. Now everybody's doing it... Anne, maybe I should just be Marci for a while
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Post by Pixi on Nov 21, 2006 9:13:18 GMT -5
lots of protecting going on tonight Micah ran away to protect his father from Jessica. Peter wants to protect Clair. Oh - the painting shows Peter dead? 8:12. In Odessa. Oh, crap! Oddly enough, the moment Peter showed up at the diner and told Ando about his power of taking other folks powers, I suddenly thought of two ways this could go. One would be for him to get hurt/killed, but that Claire was nearby and so he got better (which happened). The other was that Sylar came after him, but he sucked up all the different powers that Sylar had (assuming Sylar is stealing people's powers) and thus defeated him. Which . . . didn't happen exactly, but I think happened a bit when Sylar was throwing locker doors at him - I think he deflected them by using the telekinetic power of Sylar.
Eeep! Very much lots of protecting, indeed. And also more of the theme that Sara pointed out in her most recent analysis (I will comment on it soon, Sara, I promise!) - believing / not believing. Oh excellent point. I like that theory Lola.
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Post by Pixi on Nov 21, 2006 9:15:18 GMT -5
Like I said, I only saw the 2nd half of the episode, so unless I've missed something...I'm not particularly fond of Nathan so far, but I have this feeling that he's just acting like an asshat because he's in such deep, DEEP denial about himself...and his brother. He keeps having things pull him in one direction or another - like his brother's crazy idealism or his wife's frakked up "don't tell me you've cheated on me or I might never walk again" manipulation tactics, not to mention his mother's arch-manipulation abilities with the hollandaise press-bruncheon. Deep denial! I definitely think he thinks that he's protecting Nathan or partly protecting Nathan. But really he's protecting himself. And not just from a "I can't have this stuff happening when I'm running for office" kind of protection. Protect himself from thinking about this weird stuff that is happening to him. Nicely put!! Nathan is . . . pushing the specialness away from him, flying away from dealing with it, as it were. And Peter is embracing it, reaching out and grabbing it - like his power reaches out to other people's powers.Oh lovely. Excellent. They are indeed.
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Post by Sara on Nov 21, 2006 9:18:53 GMT -5
Hrmf. Hiro doesn't have much experience being a hero, either, but still he went off to BE one. AND after saying he didn't deserve superpowers if he was too afraid to use them. By the same token, Ando doesn't deserve to be a sidekick if he's too afraid to do what sidekicks do. Which is NOT to just sit and wait. I reckon Ando will come through, though. That doesn't mean I'm not still miffed at him at the moment. Yeah, but Hiro doesn't have to go to the Sidekick's Lounge in the back </tick joke> or wear the tights, and he kinda got bullied into going on the mission sorta against his will, and has been a DAMNED good sport about the whole thing. And yeah, I reckon he's gonna come through. I just think he's sorta scared into immobility at the moment: If he'd been asking "WWHD?" he'd have rolled with Peter in a second. But he's probably reached his freakout max for the day, finding out that Hiro was "real tight" with Charlie, and she died anyways: that Hiro's efforts apparently failed. *Makes note to go back and look at last week's episode to see what kind of welcome Hiro gets from everybody else in the diner: if there'd been a shift or not, prior to his blinking out of the scene in front of Ando* Was he in that picture with Charlie BEFORE he shifted out of Ando's presence? Ah, bugger. And I'm sure that Ando's probably kinda miffed at himself, too, at the moment. Nope, he wasn't in the picture originally--that was a change. And nobody behaved like they'd ever seen him before, least of all Charlie; if they were as tight as the waitress indicated to Ando, Charlie's reaction to seeing Hiro when he walked in with Ando would have been totally different. IMHO, anyway.
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Post by Sara on Nov 21, 2006 9:20:27 GMT -5
i don't know. peter seems to be going on the press about the fire (jackie is the one who claimed credit for claire's act). we don't know how sylar finds people, do we? When Claire was confronting Jackie I was soooo scared that Sylar was listening in! Of course, he still ened up finding out about Claire by seeing her heal, but the confusion did save her by diverting the first attack. Poor Jackie. Excellent question about Sylar. How is he finding people? Is that part of his power? Or does he have a copy of the list that Mohinder found? He had his own version of Chandra's map--we saw it in episode three when Mohinder and Eden broke in.
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Post by Shan on Nov 21, 2006 9:22:14 GMT -5
I only saw the 2nd half of the episide tonight due to being gone to my son's school holiday performance, but...am I alone here or did anybody else NOT miss the whole screwed up Niki/Jessica/DL thing? I only want to see more of it to make sure that Micah is all right, but...yeesh...what a screwy deal. I hope the writers salvage something decent out of that mess. I actually did miss it. I like the Niki/Jessica plot. I suspect that Jan's instinct is gonna be the right one - sexual abuse as a child gave her a serious dissociative disorder. Huh. I didn't read that but it also does make sense if you also factor in her career path.
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Post by Sara on Nov 21, 2006 9:23:14 GMT -5
Like I said, I only saw the 2nd half of the episode, so unless I've missed something...I'm not particularly fond of Nathan so far, but I have this feeling that he's just acting like an asshat because he's in such deep, DEEP denial about himself...and his brother. He keeps having things pull him in one direction or another - like his brother's crazy idealism or his wife's frakked up "don't tell me you've cheated on me or I might never walk again" manipulation tactics, not to mention his mother's arch-manipulation abilities with the hollandaise press-bruncheon. He lives for too many people and not himself, IMO, and until he finally figures out what HE's about, he's going to continue to make (IMO again) bad choices. But I still keep seeing glimpses of...the desire to make the right choices, or the desire to understand his purpose or to understand that there's something out there that's greater than the mayfly political office he's chasing. It's like his personality and his powers are polar opposites of his brother's. Nathan's personality absorbs the will of whoever he's in contact with while his "special" power remains intact but Peter's personality and devotion to his mission (whether it's flying in dreams with Mr. Deveaux to help him to the next life or "save the cheerleader, save the world") remains intact as his "special" power takes on the abilities of the "special" he comes in contact with. NICELY summed-up! Especialy with the red. I don't dislike Nathan, though I can't say I particularly like him, much, either. #metoo#
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Post by Sue on Nov 21, 2006 9:25:03 GMT -5
Maybe Hiro is still trying to save Charlie and that's why he hasn't come back? Hmph. Major paradox issues in that case. 'Cause if he succeeded, regardless of how long it took him, we should already know. But you can't count on television writers to remember that. My wank: Hiro doesn't have full (pinpoint) control over his powers yet. So instead of just going, say a week into the past he bounces back 6 months. I can think of 2 reasons he may not have yet returned: maybe he keeps re-entering the past at other points, still trying to save her; maybe in the alternate/past timeline Sylar caught up with him somehow and decapped him (not likely, of course); and the one I deem most likely: he's trying to return to Ando in his "future" at the diner but still can't pinpoint....so he's maybe there a few hours/days/whatever in Ando's future waiting for Ando to catch up or maybe he's a few miles away......something like that. Either, way here's my favorite additional idea: since Hiro was back hanging with Charlie from six months ago until a few weeks ago when he finally gets back to present/Ando his English will have dramatically improved due to 5.5 months of practice with Charlie et al.
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Post by Sue on Nov 21, 2006 9:27:39 GMT -5
NICELY summed-up! Especialy with the red. I don't dislike Nathan, though I can't say I particularly like him, much, either. I still think he's evil. Or at least gonna wind up evil. Because I don't like him. Plus, he consistently makes the wrong choices. He needs to take a lesson from Claire: embrace your weirdness and go for the freak vote. (Peter being arrested for murder really ought to fairly well derail his political bid.) And, I think your reaction to him somewhat depends on whether you think he destroyed the painting more to protect Peter or more to protect his own future by derailing Peter.
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Post by Sue on Nov 21, 2006 9:34:02 GMT -5
Oh, and I loved Eden stopping Sylar. It just made me happy. Totally kick ass! Just lounging against the tree and then quietly - "you don't want to hurt me . . . . go to sleep". Her power in particular would take a LOT of moral fortitude to NOT misuse. I mean, flying, healing, painting....those are pretty much just personal. Reading minds could be easily misused. And the stopping time to cheat at poker. But influencing the mind/wills of those around you? Seems like you'd have to be a very good person not to do so conciously ...and I wonder how much you would do it unconsciously? Really, couldn't she have influenced ClairesDad to not want to force Isaac to paint, since she thought that was a bad decision?
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Post by Sara on Nov 21, 2006 9:37:17 GMT -5
I only saw the 2nd half of the episide tonight due to being gone to my son's school holiday performance, but...am I alone here or did anybody else NOT miss the whole screwed up Niki/Jessica/DL thing? I only want to see more of it to make sure that Micah is all right, but...yeesh...what a screwy deal. I hope the writers salvage something decent out of that mess. I actually did miss it. I like the Niki/Jessica plot. I suspect that Jan's instinct is gonna be the right one - sexual abuse as a child gave her a serious dissociative disorder. I agree, particularly given the way she appeared to go after her father in the preview. However, I also noticed in the preview clips that there was a grave with the name "Jessica Sanders" on it--making me think Niki had a twin and has repressed the memory of her all this time. So maybe Niki and Jessica truly are two different people in some fundamental way--which would explain both the tattoo and how in the first episode Niki managed to wake up in the same clothes without a drop of blood on her after Jessica had torn the two goons apart.
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 9:37:44 GMT -5
I actually did miss it. I like the Niki/Jessica plot. I suspect that Jan's instinct is gonna be the right one - sexual abuse as a child gave her a serious dissociative disorder. Huh. I didn't read that but it also does make sense if you also factor in her career path. And BOY does she have some Daddy issues, if next week's previews are at all accurate.
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Post by Sue on Nov 21, 2006 9:37:45 GMT -5
Nicely put!! Nathan is . . . pushing the specialness away from him, flying away from dealing with it, as it were. And Peter is embracing it, reaching out and grabbing it - like his power reaches out to other people's powers. Peter has the same attitude as Hiro without quite the same naive joy. (Well, he also doesn't have full time access to a power of his own so that makes some sense.) But he's been willing to embrace the concept from the get-go. Plus---he understands that heroes do whatever they are called to do regardless of the consequences. They don't stand around and wait. (Altho, I'm not down on Ando since if he didn't wait for Hiro and Hiro came back how would Hiro even know how to find Ando, Peter or the cheerleader?)
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Post by Rachael on Nov 21, 2006 9:41:34 GMT -5
Hmph. Major paradox issues in that case. 'Cause if he succeeded, regardless of how long it took him, we should already know. But you can't count on television writers to remember that. My wank: Hiro doesn't have full (pinpoint) control over his powers yet. So instead of just going, say a week into the past he bounces back 6 months. I can think of 2 reasons he may not have yet returned: maybe he keeps re-entering the past at other points, still trying to save her; maybe in the alternate/past timeline Sylar caught up with him somehow and decapped him (not likely, of course); and the one I deem most likely: he's trying to return to Ando in his "future" at the diner but still can't pinpoint....so he's maybe there a few hours/days/whatever in Ando's future waiting for Ando to catch up or maybe he's a few miles away......something like that. Either, way here's my favorite additional idea: since Hiro was back hanging with Charlie from six months ago until a few weeks ago when he finally gets back to present/Ando his English will have dramatically improved due to 5.5 months of practice with Charlie et al. I think your idea that he's in the future waiting is more likely than he's still bouncing around the past. I had a think, in the shower - maybe Hiro himself can't change anything in his past. Maybe what he's learned by the time he's Future Hiro is that all he can do is try to move the other pieces on the board by, say, popping in for a second with Peter on the train. Only folks who belong at that point in time can actually do anything of substance to change what's going to happen. No good reason for this hypothesis, except that it would explain why Future Hiro still believes it's possible to change the past while current Hiro doesn't seem to be having much success. Or it just could be that he's no good at it yet.
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