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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Jun 11, 2003 23:00:03 GMT -5
No wonder! I can just see you as a deejay....you could do that now.... I did the afternoon drivetime slot -- Detour Dave, the traffic slave ....
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 11, 2003 23:00:07 GMT -5
Patti and Rob, your avatar pictures (IDs by posts) look ever so much better--larger and clearer. Don't know what you did, but the difference is remarkable.
James, last time I saw your picture, it was a VERY distorted Mr. Trick, and I never saw the other one, the Maya Angelou (have I got her right?) at all. So something odd is going on there.
And I notice that sweet Vlad DID change my status to Cousin Fabulator. *I* know that that means, and if it mystifies someone, that will only add to my air of seductive mysteryl [/color][/quote] Cousin Fab, I owe my better pic to Rae who resized it and gave it to me in a PM so I could relink to it. Thank you Rae! I too do not see James new pic.
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Post by SpringSummers on Jun 11, 2003 23:00:29 GMT -5
Oh my god! I don't know if I can handle seeing THAT film! ARGGGH! Nooooooo!!! Patti - Right there with you, Scooter. Also, on that other stuff in the interview, I think both SMG and JM are smart and interesting. But when it comes to intrepretation of the show, I can't think of the slighest reason to give their opinions any more weight than I would anyone's. I pay close attention, and of course, when it comes to this kind of thing, you really have to keep your own counsel. I think JM is very careful about presenting Spike as a hero or Spike/Buffy as a desirable couple, and he is right to do that, really. There are a lot of young people out there who watch the show, Spike was a remorseless murder when Buffy slept with him, and he did attack her. I actually agree with JM on everything except the "in love with Angel" part. I'm mystified by it - it seemed sooo clear to me the message was that Buffy wasn't at all sure how she felt. Also, I thought a "Buffy comes to appreciate both her sides (represented by Angel & Spike) equally, and "chooses herself for now" had been set up over a very long term, very carefully, in many, many ways. JM & SMG can't change my mind on that, not when - to me - the evidence is overwhelming. Joss is the person who most closely qualifies as the "owner" of the characters, but that final product is a collaboration of what the writer meant to do, how the actor interpretted it, how the director shot it - even the cameraman adds to it all. Then we get this final product, and I'm as good a judge of it as anyone.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 11, 2003 23:00:46 GMT -5
I did the afternoon drivetime slot -- Detour Dave, the traffic slave .... That's the hotspot! Was that really what you were called? SOOOO funny! LOL! Slave Dave...hmmm
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Jun 11, 2003 23:01:11 GMT -5
Cousin Fab, I owe my better pic to Rae who resized it and gave it to me in a PM so I could relink to it. Thank you Rae! I too do not see James new pic. Everyone is getting this nifty big pics. Mine is starting to look so dinky all of a sudden.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Jun 11, 2003 23:02:05 GMT -5
That's the hotspot! Was that really what you were called? SOOOO funny! LOL! Slave Dave...hmmm Twas true. Every bit of it. Have I ever lied to you? "I'm from the government. I'm here to help ...."
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 11, 2003 23:03:23 GMT -5
SNL did a hilarious spoof of a Lifetime abused-wife movie. This woman was complaining about how her husband was constantly invading her personal space -- she didn't even like it that he was there in the same bed with her -- so her sympathetic friend convinced her to take him to court over it. The courts just laughed, saying that she had no grounds to stand on, but became indignant when she asked how they might react if she were invading his personal space -- "That's different. He's a man!" They were making it out to be such a female nightmare. Then in the end, they interviewed the woman who supposedly went through the events in real life -- seems her husband merely had a wax buildup that made it hard for him to hear her, so he leaned in a little; also, she said she's never lived in Vancouver, so why on earth was the movie set there, and she never took her husband to court for invading her personal space. And even still, the interviewer was all sympathetic over the nightmare she endured, having her husband invade her personal space like that. I thought it was a hillarious spoof of all those Lifetime movies. Like you said, they can be such pathetic drivel. Watch Lifetime long enough, and you'll be convinced every woman in America is battered, and every man in America is an abusive jerk. That is hysterical. wax buildup....oh me...I wish I'd seen that one. Man bashing is one of my personal pet peeves - SO tired of it!
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Jun 11, 2003 23:08:42 GMT -5
Patti - Right there with you, Scooter. Also, on that other stuff in the interview, I think both SMG and JM are smart and interesting. But when it comes to intrepretation of the show, I can't think of the slighest reason to give their opinions any more weight than I would anyone's. I pay close attention, and of course, when it comes to this kind of thing, you really have to keep your own counsel. I think JM is very careful about presenting Spike as a hero or Spike/Buffy as a desirable couple, and he is right to do that, really. There are a lot of young people out there who watch the show, Spike was a remorseless murder when Buffy slept with him, and he did attack her. I actually agree with JM on everything except the "in love with Angel" part. I'm mystified by it - it seemed sooo clear to me the message was that Buffy wasn't at all sure how she felt. Also, I thought a "Buffy comes to appreciate both her sides (represented by Angel & Spike) equally, and "chooses herself for now" had been set up over a very long term, very carefully, in many, many ways. JM & SMG can't change my mind on that, not when - to me - the evidence is overwhelming. Joss is the person who most closely qualifies as the "owner" of the characters, but that final product is a collaboration of what the writer meant to do, how the actor interpretted it, how the director shot it - even the cameraman adds to it all. Then we get this final product, and I'm as good a judge of it as anyone. I agree, we can't put any extra weight on the speculations and interpretations of anyone. Okay, maybe James gets a smidge more weight that I do when it comes to Spike, because he's actually lived Spike's life for him, and there could be stuff that was edited out that gave James more insight into what was going on that might have been cut for time, etc. That said, the way that Joss wrote the final episode, I think he intended to leave a lot open to interpretation. In a way, I think Joss wanted each of us to fill in our own blanks and come out with our own version of the story, and in my mind, that was pure genius on Joss' part. I do agree with James that Buffy's comments about sometimes thinking about the future meant that there is a leaning toward Angel in her heart, but I also can understand why there are those who would believe otherwise, including those who believe there were certain scenes that showed Buffy's leaning more the direction of Spike. I really think that's what was supposed to happen, we were all still supposed to be debating the issue. And kudos to Joss for managing to make everything feel like the end it should have been without overtly answering certain questions in such a way that would only polarize the many camps.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Jun 11, 2003 23:09:59 GMT -5
That is hysterical. wax buildup....oh me...I wish I'd seen that one. Man bashing is one of my personal pet peeves - SO tired of it! If they re-air it, it was the episode hosted by Senator John McCain. He actually played the husband in the Lifetime movie spoof.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 11, 2003 23:14:00 GMT -5
Patti - Right there with you, Scooter. Also, on that other stuff in the interview, I think both SMG and JM are smart and interesting. But when it comes to intrepretation of the show, I can't think of the slighest reason to give their opinions any more weight than I would anyone's. I pay close attention, and of course, when it comes to this kind of thing, you really have to keep your own counsel. I think JM is very careful about presenting Spike as a hero or Spike/Buffy as a desirable couple, and he is right to do that, really. There are a lot of young people out there who watch the show, Spike was a remorseless murder when Buffy slept with him, and he did attack her. I actually agree with JM on everything except the "in love with Angel" part. I'm mystified by it - it seemed sooo clear to me the message was that Buffy wasn't at all sure how she felt. Also, I thought a "Buffy comes to appreciate both her sides (represented by Angel & Spike) equally, and "chooses herself for now" had been set up over a very long term, very carefully, in many, many ways. JM & SMG can't change my mind on that, not when - to me - the evidence is overwhelming. Joss is the person who most closely qualifies as the "owner" of the characters, but that final product is a collaboration of what the writer meant to do, how the actor interpretted it, how the director shot it - even the cameraman adds to it all. Then we get this final product, and I'm as good a judge of it as anyone. Spring, I thnk James puts himself into the role so much, and identifies with it soo much that he projects what he thinks is the case. Hot as he is, he talked in that interview about rejection, and I think he still has 'issues' about being loveable. (How I'd like to help convince him otherwise...). So I think he just believes Buffy would choose the other guy...IMHO
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 11, 2003 23:15:12 GMT -5
Everyone is getting this nifty big pics. Mine is starting to look so dinky all of a sudden. '' Yours looks great. Wes is slender and mysterious and broody in that pic. It would spoil it to be big and opened up. I think.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 11, 2003 23:18:34 GMT -5
Twas true. Every bit of it. Have I ever lied to you? "I'm from the government. I'm here to help ...." I don't know if you have....but Riley looked pretty upfront too!
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Jun 11, 2003 23:21:44 GMT -5
Spring, I thnk James puts himself into the role so much, and identifies with it soo much that he projects what he thinks is the case. Hot as he is, he talked in that interview about rejection, and I think he still has 'issues' about being loveable. (How I'd like to help convince him otherwise...). So I think he just believes Buffy would choose the other guy...IMHO I have to agree with that, Patti. In learning about communications techniques, I learned a lot about how people interpret messages based on their own biases and perceptions. As much as might like to put ourselves in someone else's shoes and see something from their side of the fence, that's really a very hard thing to do because we always come back to our own version of how things are. And lets face it, how can I be certain that the way my brain decodes the color red is the same way anyone else's brain decodes the color red, since I've never looked at the world through any set of eyes except my own. James has his own personal issues, hangups, history, etc. And as I said in my previous post, Joss crafted that script so that each of us would fill in the blanks in our own way. James filled in the blanks his way. Doesn't make it wrong or right. Doesn't make it the God's honest fact, either. I didn't get the impression that James was attempting to definitively answer the question of who did Buffy pick. He was just saying what he thought the answer was, from his perspective. His own flawed, human, puts-his-pants-on-the-same-as-anyone-else perspective.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Jun 11, 2003 23:23:20 GMT -5
I don't know if you have....but Riley looked pretty upfront too! I don't recall Riley every lying. No more so than any other government employee. Or lawyer. Or used car salesman..... Did I mention I'm here to help?
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Jun 11, 2003 23:25:10 GMT -5
I have to agree with that, Patti. In learning about communications techniques, I learned a lot about how people interpret messages based on their own biases and perceptions. As much as might like to put ourselves in someone else's shoes and see something from their side of the fence, that's really a very hard thing to do because we always come back to our own version of how things are. And lets face it, how can I be certain that the way my brain decodes the color red is the same way anyone else's brain decodes the color red, since I've never looked at the world through any set of eyes except my own. James has his own personal issues, hangups, history, etc. And as I said in my previous post, Joss crafted that script so that each of us would fill in the blanks in our own way. James filled in the blanks his way. Doesn't make it wrong or right. Doesn't make it the God's honest fact, either. I didn't get the impression that James was attempting to definitively answer the question of who did Buffy pick. He was just saying what he thought the answer was, from his perspective. His own flawed, human, puts-his-pants-on-the-same-as-anyone-else perspective. I agree, but I think we need more study on that perspective. the 'how he puts his pants on' one... SPRING! Research time! Dave this is one of my favorite songs...
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