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Post by deborah on Dec 3, 2003 15:11:39 GMT -5
Because at the point when that line was written, they were still doing the "vampires don't breathe thing", which was altered later on, mostly by Spike smoking, I think. They never did back away from the vampires don't breath thing. Spike says it to Joyce in the kitchen/cocoa scene in LW and he says it to the Scoobies and the SITs in "Touched" when he refers to Andrew as a breath of fresh air and says "Thankfully, I don't breathe." They just don't need to. I think that back in S1 when they had Angel unable to perform CPR on Buffy they just hadn't thought the whole thing through and realized how ridiculous that was. Still no one is able to explain why vampires get out of breath after physical exertion. I should add that question to my list of things I'd like to ask JW if I ever get the chance. I wouldn't feel comfortable asking it of JM because it could be construed as criticising his performance. Besides, I've seen Angel out of breath too. And I'm quite sure that back when studiesinwords.de/shooting/ was still around I saw *out of breath* as a stage direction in a shooting script. So, definitely one for Joss.
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Post by Queen E on Dec 3, 2003 15:13:44 GMT -5
My cat's favorite toy is stuffed fish on a string. She drags that around the house, drops it at my feet and looks up at me, hoping I'll play with her. Of course, she does this at four in the morning when I'm getting ready for work. Hey, Nicki. How's your pain? Did the treatment help?
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Post by Nickim on Dec 3, 2003 15:13:55 GMT -5
When studiesinwords had the Buffy and Angel scripts up, I use to read them regularly. They often had lines of dialog that were cut from what made it to the screen. The Tara "fag" line was in the original script, I remember reading it and thinking it seemed out of character for Tara. I guess that is why it never made it into the actual show. Someone awhile back, and I am thinking it may have been Kerrie but I could be wrong, asked if anyone else had seen the Spike placing rose petals around his crypt scene from Smashed. She had mentioned how disappointed she was it didn't make it into the VHS tapes she later received, and wanted to know if anyone else had seen this scene. I knew I had read that in the script and it really changed how I viewed that episode in regards to the Buffy/Spike sex scene. But as far as I know, she is the only person I've seen make mention of this. I thought it was a real shame they didn't leave that scene in. The rose petal scene is also in the synopsis of that episode on the official UPN Buffy website.
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Dec 3, 2003 15:22:56 GMT -5
They never did back away from the vampires don't breath thing. Spike says it to Joyce in the kitchen/cocoa scene in LW and he says it to the Scoobies and the SITs in "Touched" when he refers to Andrew as a breath of fresh air and says "Thankfully, I don't breathe." They just don't need to. I think that back in S1 when they had Angel unable to perform CPR on Buffy they just hadn't thought the whole thing through and realized how ridiculous that was. Still no one is able to explain why vampires get out of breath after physical exertion. I should add that question to my list of things I'd like to ask JW if I ever get the chance. I wouldn't feel comfortable asking it of JM because it could be construed as criticising his performance. But I've seen Angel out of breath too. And I'm quite sure that back when studiesinwords.de/shooting/ was still around I saw *out of breath* as a stage direction in a shooting script. So, definitely one for Joss. I frankly wouldn't ask it of James either because he and all of the other stars have all been quite frank in that they aren't generally in on the creative process for the show. Yeah, there are certain nuances they bring to their characters that are beyond the scripted stuff, but in the end, the characters generally belong more to the writing team than to the actors, at least in the case of the Buffyverse. So there's simply stuff I don't think James or any of the other actors could answer, better than any of us. Okay, maybe his speculation might mean a smidge more than mine simply because he's so much closer to his character than I am, but in the end it's still all speculation. So, long story short -- ITA. One for Joss.
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Post by Julia, wrought iron-y on Dec 3, 2003 15:24:00 GMT -5
Well, off to the doc for a BP check.
Such fun.
At least with the sick husband thing, I have a ride; on the other hand, if he hadn't been handy for the job, I was going to have Thai food for lunch first.
Maybe I'll be less preoccupied when I get back and can acheive the whole on-topic gestalt.
Julia, the signe are mixed
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Dec 3, 2003 15:25:31 GMT -5
Folks, we're pretty much here at the 500th post. So please put your seats back in their full upright position, the captain has turned on the no smoking sign. We will be landing shortly. "Shortly" translates to how quickly I can get Part 78 set up for our posting pleasure.
Please finish all thoughts now. I feel bad when a section closes and someone complains they lost a phenominal thought in the process.
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Post by Queen E on Dec 3, 2003 15:27:04 GMT -5
Was listening to some Elvis Costello the other day and one of his songs reminded me of the Spike/Buffy dynamic:
Beyond Belief History repeats the old conceits The glib replies the same defeats Keep your finger on important issues With crocodile tears and a pocketful of tissues
I’m just the oily slick On the windup world of the nervous tick In a very fashionable hovel
I hang around dying to be tortured You’ll never be alone in the bone orchard This battle with the bottle is nothing so novel
So in this almost empty gin palace Through a two-way looking glass You see your alice
You know she has no sense For all your jealousy In a sense she still smiles very sweetly
Charged with insults and flattery Her body moves with malice Do you have to be so cruel to be callous
And now you find you fit this identikit completely You say you have no secrets And then leave discreetly
I might make it california’s fault Be locked in geneva’s deepest vault Just like the canals of mars and the great barrier reef I come to you beyond belief
My hands were clammy and cunning She’s been suitably stunning But I know there’s not a hope in hades All the laddies cat call and wolf whistle So-called gentlemen and ladies Dog fight like rose and thistle
I’ve got a feeling I’m going to get a lot of grief Once this seemed so appealing Now I am beyond belief
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Post by DaveCrenshaw on Dec 3, 2003 15:34:09 GMT -5
Folks, we're pretty much here at the 500th post. So please put your seats back in their full upright position, the captain has turned on the no smoking sign. We will be landing shortly. "Shortly" translates to how quickly I can get Part 78 set up for our posting pleasure. Please finish all thoughts now. I feel bad when a section closes and someone complains they lost a phenominal thought in the process. And now, dear readers, this section is closed for posting. Section 78 awaits -- who is The First? See you there to find out!
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