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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 11:51:49 GMT -5
Woohoo! Technobabble! Pockets of electromagnetic energy.. interconnected. "Very clever fellow built this pendulum" predictive. So the island moves around of its own volition? "was always moving" wow, that makes a hell of a lot more sense. That makes sense? Help me. Windows onto where the island is going to be... closes in 36 hours. "All the people on the island need your help" as of three years ago. "The island isn't done with you yet" "Whatever she tells you to do: ignore it" shades of Sayid telling Hugo to ignore Benry. So it's going to be betwixt L.A. and Guam. GREAT! MORE INNOCENT VICTIMS!!! Well, that explains the cello case. "Not all. At least not for you" how very.. Cruella De Ville of her.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 11:52:24 GMT -5
"Is he telling the truth?" "Probably not." ;D Look for where it was going to be. Heeeee!! Now, is she saying it moves in time and space? Or just time? Daniel's mom is a complex woman, yes? "But I am helping, dear." A game where they are just the pieces. Well, that's probably true. Doesn't necessarily mean it's all wrong, but certainly gamesmanship is certainly part of it. Oh, crap! Another flight?! Ah. They need to recreate the circumstances that first landed them there. So, the people. On a plane. Eeeeeeeep! Heeeee! Creepy-voice: That's not all. Not for you. **cue dramatic hamster music**
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 11:52:54 GMT -5
Hey, maybe that's where the island is now. ;D Hee! Could be coordinates of some sort. Or a flight number from what they are saying right now. Oops. Lucas is not impressed with LOST. Back to reading Dr. Suess! Hee!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 11:57:53 GMT -5
Wardrobe, babe: a wardrobe door. Now, now, these are Losties, not classy English kids. We'll be lucky if it is even a closet and not, say, the shed out back of the house.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 12:02:21 GMT -5
Yeah, they make it complex to transport dead bodies and stuff. And Jack don't care. "Take him out and redress him in lint, if you want to" when they talk about opening his box. New cast member, there, expressing his condolences? Sayid being escorted into security again. Hugo trying to prevent people from gettng caught in the mix. Why on EARTH is Sayid being escorted to Guam by a US Marshall?And the note returns,. Read it, read it, read it!! You know a sign when you see one, Jack! "Which part" "How did they end up here" "They bought a ticket" "We're on the same plane, that doesn't make us together" Oh, poor poor Frank.. "We're not going to Guam, are we?" LOVE the matter-of-fact way he says it, with his spirits crashing so... calmly. Perhaps extraditing him back to Iraq?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 12:05:26 GMT -5
"My mother taught me" Heh.
wait, didn't his mother die in childbirth? READ THE LETTER, DUMBASS! "Let me give you some privacy" and scare hell out of Hurley. "Dude. You might want to fasten your seatbelt" It was a timeshift that took them out of the plane. YAY!!!! Much nicer than horrible horrible death for all associated. Geeze, I hope the copilot can get the plane back okay. 'Cause Frank's probably someplace there near them. Think this is the last flash before Locke got the donkey wheel back on its axis? Jin. In a Dharma Type II. So that's where when everyone settled in. Oh damn, that's right. So was he just snarking or is there some deeper meaning to that remark?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 12:12:08 GMT -5
"My mother taught me" Heh. wait, didn't his mother die in childbirth? It just makes the moment all that much better, doesn't it? I mean, even in a snarky throw-away funny line he's got a little twisty non-truth thing happening. When no one knows but him. ;D Presuming the rest of the plane folks who are not Losties are OK, yes is it much better than could have been hoped for! So, it's like the Island and the other Losties kinda . . . pulled them, like a big ol (wait for it) electromagnet! It actually is a lot like how the children got pulled back to Narnia in Prince Caspian.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 12:13:23 GMT -5
Magic shoes. You don't suppose Locke clicked his heels together 3 times? John 3:16 (New International Version) "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Interesting!
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 12:18:59 GMT -5
Hmm... 316 isn't one of the numbers. Teaser Jack's eye. Back at the beginning of the pilot? I wish... So, not the beginning of the pilot, then. Some one calling for help? Is this a flashback, or is Mrs. Hawking's method of geting everyone back on the island to just teleport them there? Running, running, running. Hey, it's that lake where Kate and Sawyer found the suitcase.Some one with a guitar. Charlie? Oh, it's Hurley. Huh? And there's Kate. So they're back but they don't know how they got there. Even the ones who weren't in the church got teleported back. 46 hours earlier. Ah, it's that trick. Picking up where we left off last episode. Descending into hell. Mrs. Hawking's lair. Batman would be jealous. The Lamppost. Part of the DHARMA Initiative. And it's how they found the island in the first place. So the island must really jump around all over the globe. Though the climate always seems to be tropical. Oh. Oh. Kate and Jack also found a dead couple in a cave near the lake, didn't they? Wonder who that was. Yikes - the more answers we get, the more questions pop up. The lamppost pendulum reminded me of Willow's locator spell pendulum. (Also, it reminded me of what you use over a pregnant woman's tummy to predict the sex of the baby.) The island must have jumped to the North Pole at one point - hence the polar bear. The idea popped into my head yesterday that the bodies in the cave are Rose and Bernard. Willow had a locator spell pendulum? I've never heard of using a pendulum to determine the sex of a baby. Interesting. Yeah, I figure that that's how the polar bears ended up on the island, too. Must have been quite a shock to jump from an arctic climate to a tropical one.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Feb 19, 2009 12:54:29 GMT -5
I just updated the Questions and Answers thread, but I'm sure I'm missing something because there was a lot of WTF going on in this episode, so feel free to add any questions I've missed.
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Post by RAKSHA on Feb 19, 2009 14:55:40 GMT -5
If the return of the Losties was meant to stop the time fluctuations, then what is Jin doing driving a Dharma truck and wearing Dharma coveralls?
Either our gang has fallen into the 70's or is this a new timeline and the Dharma initiative was never destroyed (very confusing), or the fact that there weren't enough Losties on the plane meant that the time fluctuations are continuing. Do they need Desmond and Aaron or Walt?
Or something else!
Also interesting - DeadChristian said definitively that he is not Jacob, didn't he, or at least referred to Jacob as someone else. I can't remember - did Christian say that he himself had talked to Locke in the cabin, or that Locke had talked to Jacob?
Who is Jacob? Wonder if we'll ever know.
G.
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Post by Sara on Feb 19, 2009 15:02:56 GMT -5
"My mother taught me" Heh. wait, didn't his mother die in childbirth? It just makes the moment all that much better, doesn't it? I mean, even in a snarky throw-away funny line he's got a little twisty non-truth thing happening. When no one knows but him. ;D Presuming the rest of the plane folks who are not Losties are OK, yes is it much better than could have been hoped for! So, it's like the Island and the other Losties kinda . . . pulled them, like a big ol (wait for it) electromagnet! Something occurred to me after the episode aired, so I rewatched my recording to double-check: Mrs. Hawking never said anything about the plane needing to crash to get them back to the Island. Her wording is such that it's easy to jump to the conclusion that their return to the island will involve another disaster, but what she did say was: "You need to recreate, as best you can, the circumstances that brought you there in the first place." Then, when she chatted privately with Jack, she reiterated "You need to, as best you can, recreate the conditions of the original flight." Nothing is said about needing another disaster to take place: only that they had to try and replicate what took place prior to their arriving on the Island. Plus, as I understand it, it wasn't going through the window that caused the plane crash per se—it was Desmond's not pushing the button, resulting in the EMP pulse that fried the plane's electronic systems. We saw how severely 316 was knocked around as it flew through the window, so I have a feeling what happened was Oceanic 815 was unable to maintain its altitude or stability under that extreme turbulence—with all its systems down 815 was, for a moment or two, essentially a big tin can gliding along. Oh, and I was reminded on another site that Daniel's doomed lab rat was also named Eloise—wonder how his mother felt about that.
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Post by Sara on Feb 19, 2009 20:34:28 GMT -5
From Doc Jensen, regarding the episode title:
But ''316'' could refer to the sacred text of Lost itself. In the world of television, every episode is assigned a number. Last night's episode, for example, was number 506, or Season 5, Episode 6. Do you know what episode 316 of Lost was? It was the Juliet-centric Season 3 classic ''One of Them,'' that had a flashback story all about how the brilliant fertility doctor came to The Island, and a present-day Island story about how Juliet saved Claire from a mystery illness, thus earning the former Other acceptance in to the castaway camp. But in truth, it was all an elaborate ruse, hatched by Ben and executed by Juliet, playing the role of fraudulent advisor and Trojan Horse. Is Ms. Hawking and/or Ben setting up our castaways for a similar double-cross?
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Post by Sara on Feb 19, 2009 20:47:16 GMT -5
More from Doc:
Ben was lying, of course. We know from ''The Man Behind the Curtain'' that Ben's mother died during childbirth. He saw a vision of her on The Island, during his hard Dharma adolescence, when the only parenting he got was neglect and abuse from his sad, heartbroken father. When Ben saw his mother, all he wanted to do was run away with her…whatever she was. But she said ''No. Not yet.'' So...when?
Ulysses suggests an answer. To be clear, there were several moments in ''316'' when the story mirrored Joyce's book, much in the same way Joyce's novel mirrored Homer's epic poem. For example, the scene with Kate in bed lost in thought, then greedily kissing Jack, echoes the final chapter of Ulysses, Molly Bloom lies in bed, lost in thought, and chooses her haunted husband hero (read: Jack) over the studly beefcake (read: Sawyer). Another parallel: At one point, Molly's husband, Leopold Bloom, finds himself traveling in a carriage as part of a funeral procession. He is familiar with almost everyone, except one mysterious figure, which the narrative makes a point of doting upon, even though his identity is never resolved. Shades of: The castaways in their own corpse-hauling carriage, Ajira Airlines Flight 316, complete with mystery characters to be revealed later. Maybe.
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Post by Lola m on Feb 20, 2009 13:05:08 GMT -5
"This will be your last civilized breakfast ever, so enjoy it while you can, Kate" Turns out it was fortuitous, with the sneakers, as Christian did a lot of running around, for a corpse. Benry appears to have been through the mill at the marina. Hopefully Desmond and Penny got the better of him and his murderin' ways. Putting the magic shoes. Wait, you didn't read the suicide note? Magic shoes. You don't suppose Locke clicked his heels together 3 times? **snickers** Now I wish the shoes had been red and sparkly! Although, seriously, nice comparison to Wizard of Oz, Karen, especially since the show has done it before, eh?
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