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Post by Lola m on Mar 25, 2009 21:25:16 GMT -5
Life would be so much simpler if we'd all just go for the waffles. Amen. I may, of course, be pushing the waffle agenda because I had nummy delicious pineapple pancakes for dinner tonight . . .
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Post by RAKSHA on Mar 25, 2009 21:26:02 GMT -5
I think poor Sayid made the wrong choice.
And what will happen now?
Anyone notice that the baby was Ethan? Wonder if the Hostiles will raise him now that Young Ben is dead and won't be killing all the Dharma adults. Or will the island recall Ben to life?
Gail
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 25, 2009 21:26:03 GMT -5
So is Ben dead? Please let Jin be alive. It will be quite vexatious if Sayid killed him when he just meant to disable him. And I am all sorts of eager to find out what happens in the future now, and where things go from here, is the future unmade and remade? alternate timelines? Charlotte alive? What the hell? Woohoo!!! seven more eps this season! It raises all sorts of interesting possibilities: will Alex be alive now? Or Rousseau and Karl, for that matter, as they were killed by mercenaries who'd come for Ben? DUDE!! Maybe that's the reason Locke is still alive! Although then how do you explain Ben's presence there after Locke woke up... Others have died on the island, and stayed dead though. The question is, whats the difference between those who resurrect and those who stay dead?
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 25, 2009 21:29:30 GMT -5
One of the boats on the dock? Yup, when Ben was having his little tete a tete with Jack, Kate, Sun, and Sayid. Interesting.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 25, 2009 21:30:26 GMT -5
Now we're back at the airport. Sayid is doomed. DOOMED! I guess Sayid wasn't the one who roughed up Ben. Now I sooooo want it to have been Daniel's mom who so completely kicked his ass. Wasn't really dead or magically resurrect because of the island, maybe? That would really help him get a leadership role with the hostiles . . . Or maybe time is changed now and we're heading off into a parallel universe where Ben died as a kid? Dude! That would be awesome!
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Post by Karen on Mar 25, 2009 21:59:01 GMT -5
From what I understand, tonight's episode marks a return to the usual focus on one character, including flashbacks to that person's past. The good news for Lola is that the character in question is Sayid. ** is happy, oh so very happy** Sayid is especially pretty tonight. And btw, so is Sawyer. ;D
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Mar 25, 2009 22:00:12 GMT -5
You know all this stuff about going to Guam is pretty funny, because my dad was stationed there during the Vietnam War. I'm sure he would get a kick out of it if he watched the show.
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Post by Karen on Mar 25, 2009 22:12:29 GMT -5
Heeee! Dipping sauce. ;D "You know. Together. Like you guys were." Oh, snap! Gotta love Hurley. Ah, so Sayid gets to see young Ben get smacked around by daddy. "John Locke is dead. I think he was murdered." Oh, Ben. Oh, Ben. Use your own murder of Locke to fit your story. Of course, how did I ever think you would do anything else. Oh, hell no. Telling Sayid that it's "in his nature" to be a killer? Pot. Meet kettle! That's you, Ben old buddy. That's you. Sawyer! Don't let them hurt your[/i] my woobie Sayid!!! Nooooo!! Ah. And here's our ep title. "He's our you." So, he's the Dharma enforcer. Nice. Drugs to get truth. Hmmm. Is this gonna be all hallucinogenic and stuff, or more like sodium pentathal-ish? [/quote] Words cannot express how much I loved Hurley in that moment, reminding Kate that it's not like she was pining for Sawyer all that time. [/quote] That was sweet.
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Post by Sara on Mar 25, 2009 22:16:31 GMT -5
It raises all sorts of interesting possibilities: will Alex be alive now? Or Rousseau and Karl, for that matter, as they were killed by mercenaries who'd come for Ben? DUDE!! Maybe that's the reason Locke is still alive! Although then how do you explain Ben's presence there after Locke woke up... Others have died on the island, and stayed dead though. The question is, whats the difference between those who resurrect and those who stay dead? Yeah, but Locke didn't die on the Island: he died in Los Angeles. And Christian, who's the only other person I can think of who seems to have been resurrected on the Island, died in Australia. Right now, I'm honestly not remembering seeing anyone die on the Island and then come back to life—who was it that you were thinking of?
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Post by KMInfinity on Mar 25, 2009 23:37:39 GMT -5
Awesome wonderful episode. The never hit a false note. Never. And assassin-Sayid in the black leather with the swagger.... ummmmummm... Wasn't really dead or magically resurrect because of the island, maybe? That would really help him get a leadership role with the hostiles . . . Or maybe time is changed now and we're heading off into a parallel universe where Ben died as a kid? I am pretty sure Young Ben's death is the first actual (possible) time paradox situation the writers have presented to us. Until now, everything could have been explained as part of a "closed loop." As Faraday said, (paraphrasing), "You can't change anything. Whatever happened will happen." So either Young Ben isn't dead, (gun had blanks?), Young Ben resurrects, or a parallel universe begins without FutureBen. Which would mean massive changes to all aspects of the timeline, to the point where I don't think the writers could deal with the unwieldy story. So I'm going with the idea that Young Ben is not dead dead. Somehow. Well, this is ignoring how the apparent resurrections would fit in a closed time system. We still don't know for certain how those resurrections function. In fact, a friend made an ambiguously confusing case that we can't even be sure Christian and John Locke were actually dead - based on what we've seen being info from unreliable reporters.
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Post by Matthew on Mar 26, 2009 3:45:28 GMT -5
I think you're right about Blade Runner . . . somehow I just "see" his face as being in that movie . . .
Found him!
William Sanderson www.imdb.com/name/nm0761836/
He played "Sebastian' in Blade Runner. His face hasn't changed much.
G.Well, J.F. Sebastian had progeria (the reason he was still on Earth: he was not genetically fit to emigrate), and they aged him in that movie to match it: the job they did is remarkably close to how he came out in real life. I was remarking on this before, when he guest starred on an episode of Life. /Extreme Blade Runner Geek
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Post by Matthew on Mar 26, 2009 3:54:45 GMT -5
Awesome wonderful episode. The never hit a false note. Never. And assassin-Sayid in the black leather with the swagger.... ummmmummm... Wasn't really dead or magically resurrect because of the island, maybe? That would really help him get a leadership role with the hostiles . . . Or maybe time is changed now and we're heading off into a parallel universe where Ben died as a kid? I am pretty sure Young Ben's death is the first actual (possible) time paradox situation the writers have presented to us. Until now, everything could have been explained as part of a "closed loop." As Faraday said, (paraphrasing), "You can't change anything. Whatever happened will happen." So either Young Ben isn't dead, (gun had blanks?), Young Ben resurrects, or a parallel universe begins without FutureBen. Which would mean massive changes to all aspects of the timeline, to the point where I don't think the writers could deal with the unwieldy story. So I'm going with the idea that Young Ben is not dead dead. Somehow. Well, this is ignoring how the apparent resurrections would fit in a closed time system. We still don't know for certain how those resurrections function. In fact, a friend made an ambiguously confusing case that we can't even be sure Christian and John Locke were actually dead - based on what we've seen being info from unreliable reporters. This is what has me wondering. Have we(and by "we" I mean Sayid and his well-aimed but inadequately accompanied gunshot) reshaped the future, and what changes will that bring about, in a "No fate but what we make" kind of way, as we are seeing in "T:TSCC," or will the Universe make necessary changes to prevent any broken causality loops in a static time framework, by either preventing Ben's death, or replacing him with someone else that will fulfill his exact same roles? What kind of universe will Sun, Frank, Ben!!!!! Ceaser, whatserhead the Cowboy, and all the others in 2007/8 find themselves in now? What kind of crazy shennanigans will happen? I mean, there's no instant winking-out of everybody present there in the past now due to Ben's (apparent) death, but WHY?! Does the universe allow for scar tissue in the form of paradoctored paradoxes? *gets mop for brains running out ears, all with silly smile on face*
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Post by Sara on Mar 26, 2009 9:35:06 GMT -5
Awesome wonderful episode. The never hit a false note. Never. And assassin-Sayid in the black leather with the swagger.... ummmmummm... I am pretty sure Young Ben's death is the first actual (possible) time paradox situation the writers have presented to us. Until now, everything could have been explained as part of a "closed loop." As Faraday said, (paraphrasing), "You can't change anything. Whatever happened will happen." So either Young Ben isn't dead, (gun had blanks?), Young Ben resurrects, or a parallel universe begins without FutureBen. Which would mean massive changes to all aspects of the timeline, to the point where I don't think the writers could deal with the unwieldy story. So I'm going with the idea that Young Ben is not dead dead. Somehow. Well, this is ignoring how the apparent resurrections would fit in a closed time system. We still don't know for certain how those resurrections function. In fact, a friend made an ambiguously confusing case that we can't even be sure Christian and John Locke were actually dead - based on what we've seen being info from unreliable reporters. This is what has me wondering. Have we(and by "we" I mean Sayid and his well-aimed but inadequately accompanied gunshot) reshaped the future, and what changes will that bring about, in a "No fate but what we make" kind of way, as we are seeing in "T:TSCC," or will the Universe make necessary changes to prevent any broken causality loops in a static time framework, by either preventing Ben's death, or replacing him with someone else that will fulfill his exact same roles? What kind of universe will Sun, Frank, Ben!!!!! Ceaser, whatserhead the Cowboy, and all the others in 2007/8 find themselves in now? What kind of crazy shennanigans will happen? I mean, there's no instant winking-out of everybody present there in the past now due to Ben's (apparent) death, but WHY?! Does the universe allow for scar tissue in the form of paradoctored paradoxes? *gets mop for brains running out ears, all with silly smile on face* And if Ben doesn't die, it suggests that all of his interactions with Sayid were designed to goad him into doing just what he did, all the while knowing he'd survive the encounter.
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Post by Sara on Mar 26, 2009 10:43:37 GMT -5
An interesting tidbit: In Moscow, when Sayid exits the building after killing his last target we see this sign over the door: According to Lostpedia that writing, "Олдхэм Фармасьютикалс," in English reads as "Oldham Pharmaceuticals." And Oldham, of course, was the name of the guy who used drugs to get the truth from Sayid.
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Post by Lola m on Mar 26, 2009 21:31:49 GMT -5
** is happy, oh so very happy** Sayid is especially pretty tonight. Wasn't he just? OMG, in the assasin longer-hair dangerous mode or in the drugged out of his mind happy-land place? Oh, so very very nice to look at. Oh, yes, that too. **continues to hope for a Sayid & Sawyer sandwich . . . **
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