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Post by Lola m on Apr 1, 2009 20:44:50 GMT -5
Part I Kate tells Cassidy the truth about what happened. An envelope full of money. Sawyer asked Kate to take care of Clementine. Cassidy calling sawyer a coward. Kate doesn't tell Cassidy the truth about Aaron. Cassidy figures it out anyway. I think I love her. ;D Someone who figures things out even in the face of the usual communication lack? Yes! Ha! That is so totally true. It would have been funny as hell if Random Dude actually turns out to be a sleeper Other agent or something. ;D I'm finding the New Jack 2.0 to be entertaining to watch, just in a different wacky way that before.
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 1, 2009 20:49:31 GMT -5
Part II
More sandwiches. Do people eat anything else here?
Kate tries to convince Jack to change his mind.
30 years from now that boy is going to be a man that locks me in a cage because he needs surgery. And then you're going to come in and beg me to operate on him because he's threatening to murder Sawyer. I've already done this once. I've already saved Benjamin Linus, and I've done it for you, Kate. I don't need to do it again.
Kate acknowledged their role in Sayid's situation.
When we were here before, I spent all my time trying to fix things, but did you ever think that maybe the island just wants to fix things itself? And maybe I was just getting in the way?
I liked the old you better. You didn't like the old me, Kate.
And off Jack goes off. To help out Ben?
Kate offers to help Ben.
Kate brings Juliet up to speed on her relationship with Jack.
Roger knows that Ben took his keys and broke Sayid out. He acknowledges what he's done to Ben. So now Kate knows... the rest of the story.
Well, I'm sure he'd like his mother back, but I think he'd settle for not being abused by you, Bub.
Hurley tries to wrap his head around time travel paradoxes. Hee.
The conversation already happened,but not for you and me. For you and me, it's happening right now.
When will THEN be NOW? SOON!
Once Ben turned that wheel, time isn't a straight line for us anymore. Our experiences in the past and the future occurred before these experiences right now.
This feels like the conversation that's been happening in my head for the past couple of weeks.
Any of us can die, because this is our present. But you said Ben couldn't die, because he has to grow up to become leader of The Others. Because this is his past. But when we first captured Ben and Sayid like tortured him, then why wouldn't he remember getting shot by that same guy when he was a kid?
We've got our Eureka moment, ladies and gentlemen!
Kate's not so much in lock down anymore.
Juliet sends Roger off to the Caduceus.
Juliet wants to let Ben die too. Oh, she wants The Others to help. She Knows Something.
Something about healing or immortality, I'm guessing.
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Post by Matthew on Apr 1, 2009 20:50:45 GMT -5
"Auntie Kate!" suggests that they become friends. I find that.. sweet.
Well, he needed her, too, ya silly woman.
"Why are you helping Ben" who is right there listening.
I have just melted into a puddle of goo at Sawyer and "I'm doing it for her"
HAH! "You guys leave"
And this, with Juliet in the shower with Jack? is the awesome.
"We've been fine for three years" were y'all planning on buggering out before the exctinction?
"Came back because I was supposed to" Wonder what that means. So does he.
So Sawyer goes on to find out about Clementine and Cassidy.
So Cassidy was actually right, holy crap. "You and me never woulda worked out"
She mentions Juliet.
"Done a lot of growing up"
Whee! conversation tabling in the form of rifles! So what is Richard supposed to do? Use his mystical System Lord sarcophagous to heal the boy?
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Post by Sara on Apr 1, 2009 20:51:11 GMT -5
I just know they're gonna fuck up James and Juliet in some way, and it's going to completely wreck me when it happens.
Just warning you all ahead of time.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 1, 2009 20:52:23 GMT -5
Huh. They stayed friends and confidants, all this time. Really, the only person Kate can talk to about all this - because she knows but is not, you know, all tangled up in it.
Also? She's hella smart about people, isn't she?
"No matter what he's gonna grow up to be, it's wrong to let a kid die." I am, oddly, of two minds on this. But how would I really react in reality, if this wasn't a fictional story?
"We didn't need saving. You came back here for you." Came back because he's "supposed to". Well, really both are true. I mean, he did think he was saving them, that they would all die horribly. Why? Oh, that's right, because Ben told them that. Also? We still don't know that he wasn't right, eh?
Both our problems, so take me to Richard Alpert. (Ah, using the magical power of Richard's name once again.)
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 1, 2009 20:55:26 GMT -5
Part III
Kate and Juliet transporting Ben.
Kate goes alone.
Flashback.
The scene by the docks again. Is this like Rashomon? Are we going to see this scene from everyone's perspective?
Now we're going to find out what happened to Aaron.
Aaron just disappeared! Are people going to be doing that again?
Kate should ask the store to check their surveillance.
Wait, is that Claire? Huh?
Kate brings Ben to that clearing.
Another VW approaches.
Isn't that the clearing where they played golf and such?
Ah, this is Sawyer. And he's here to help. About damn time!
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Post by Matthew on Apr 1, 2009 21:01:51 GMT -5
"Like the room was on fire" Yep, Jack is a master of stealth
"Claire's Alive"?
Oh yeah, she dissapeared in Baba Yaga's hut with Jacob and Christian.
Kate's just confessing it all out, isn't she?
"told him that you're his grandmother" oh!
"going back to find your daughter" That is kinda.. startling and interesting!
And she doesn't know if she'll ever be back for her baby boy, even with baby's other momma in tow.
So Ben is Aaron is Clementine is all little boys.
"Is that Benjamin Linus?"
Well, that's right, they do have the magic wish box.
"He's not ever gonna be the same again"
"His innocence will be gone and he'll always be one of us" So they set it in motion themselves, BY saving him.
Mention of Widmore and Ellie (Farraday's Mom?) again.
Smokey's Temple!!!!!!
Maybe Ben finally remembers.
Gotta admit, that's a hell of a thing to wake up to, the man you killed saying "hi there!"
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Post by Matthew on Apr 1, 2009 21:02:17 GMT -5
OHMYGOD I LOVE THIS SHOW
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Post by Sara on Apr 1, 2009 21:05:15 GMT -5
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 1, 2009 21:07:00 GMT -5
Part IV
Flashback.
Young Clementine.
Cassidy is once again the voice of reason in this show.
As scared as I was, I wasn't surprised. All I could think was, it's about time.
Why would I expect him to be taken? Because you took him.
Kate needed Aaron. Not the other way around. So it's time to let him go.
Back on the island.
I wonder if this injury some how leads to Ben's tumors in the future?
Sawyer also hesitant to help Ben.
Crossing the sonic fence.
Back at the Barracks.
Juliet goes to regulate.
Juliet wants some privacy with Jack. I'm guessing its for more of the verbal knock down drag out fight than the bam chicka waa waa kind of privacy.
Hey, ask him more questions about time travel. Hee!
It's not Ben yet; he's just a kid. Yeah...
I came back here to save you guys. We didn't need saving! Yeah... but the Oceanic 6 were lead to believe that you did. They can't be blamed when they've been manipulated beyond all belief.
You came back here for you. Well, yeah there's that too.
I came back because I was supposed to. Supposed to do what? I don't know yet.
How do you know that you weren't supposed to heal Ben, JacK?
Kate and Sawyer carrying Ben. Are they just going to wander through the woods until The Others find him?
Talking about Clementine.
Parallel between Sawyer's sacrifice at the helicopter being more about him than the others and Jack's sacrifice in coming back to the island also being more about him than saving the other Losties.
About Sawyer's maturation.
And here are The Others. Right on schedule.
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Post by Lola m on Apr 1, 2009 21:07:05 GMT -5
Ah, so Kate went and told Claire's mom about Aaron and Claire. Well, except I wouldn't assume that Claire is alive.
"When you're ready, he's waiting for you." Oh, and told him about her and she's going back to find Claire! Awesome! I mean, still crazy as all hell, but an awesome plot twist I totally did not see coming!
And I gotta admit, I know we're supposed to be all heart-tugged, but what if grandma doesn't want to take care of him?
"If I take him, he's not ever gonna be the same again." Oh, and his "innocence" will be gone, he'll always be an "other". So, Sayid shooting him did, in effect, make Benry who he turned out to be. Sort of. Because, um, he did want to go to the Others even before this whole innocence-stripping procedure thingee.
More little snippets of "other" business. The concern over what Ellie (Daniel's mommy, yes?) and Charles (Widmore, yes?) will think and the confirmation that Richard A don't have to listen to nobody, yo! He only answers to . . . The Island!
Taking little Benry to the smoke-monster-island-protector-ancient-stone-place thing!
And there's Alive!Locke. Oh, I love love love the evil smile he's directing at Benry. ;D
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Post by Lola m on Apr 1, 2009 21:12:07 GMT -5
Juliet is lucky that her woobie is commited to saving this kid's life. This scene for what, the third time? Yep. And I'll be interested in what the various close-watching fans report about any differences (if any), since the very interesting ones they've spotted between the other two. Perception is key! Ha! ;D
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Post by Lola m on Apr 1, 2009 21:17:04 GMT -5
Part II More sandwiches. Do people eat anything else here? Kate tries to convince Jack to change his mind. 30 years from now that boy is going to be a man that locks me in a cage because he needs surgery. And then you're going to come in and beg me to operate on him because he's threatening to murder Sawyer. I've already done this once. I've already saved Benjamin Linus, and I've done it for you, Kate. I don't need to do it again. Kate acknowledged their role in Sayid's situation. When we were here before, I spent all my time trying to fix things, but did you ever think that maybe the island just wants to fix things itself? And maybe I was just getting in the way? I liked the old you better. You didn't like the old me, Kate. And off Jack goes off. To help out Ben? Kate offers to help Ben. Kate brings Juliet up to speed on her relationship with Jack. Roger knows that Ben took his keys and broke Sayid out. He acknowledges what he's done to Ben. So now Kate knows... the rest of the story. Well, I'm sure he'd like his mother back, but I think he'd settle for not being abused by you, Bub. Yes! This! Exactly! It's like they took all our different conversations and wrangling and just . . . put it on the screen. ;D Yes!! Yes!! I mean, why else suggest that the Others would be able to help! Of course, Juliet lived and worked for the Others before, in the future, not the Dharma folks. So, she'd know what special tricks they have up their Other!sleeves. **nods**
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Post by Spaced Out Looney on Apr 1, 2009 21:17:45 GMT -5
Coda
Yep, Kate's going to give Aaron back to Claire's mom.
Kate tells Claire's mom that Claire is still alive. Are we sure she's still alive?
Kate spills the entire story.
Parallel between Sawyer trying to protect his lie 1977 and the Oceanic 6 trying to protect their lie in 2007, digging a deeper and deeper hole out of self interest for comfort and security. Plus Sawyer and Kate settling down from their lives as fugitives and becoming better people by taking care of others.
Kate promises to find Claire and come back.
On the island.
Richard shows up.
If Richard takes him, then he'll forget this ever happened and his innocence will be gone. He'll turn into an Other.
Ellie and Charles seem to be in charge. Or maybe they're like the village elders or something. Anyway, healing Ben is done without consulting them.
I feel like we're in some fantasy novel or something.
Ah, going into the temple place.
In the Hydra station in the present. Ben wakes up. To Locke. GAH!!! That's not how I would want to wake up.
Wait, why so ominous? Didn't Ben expect that Locke would come back to life?
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Post by Lola m on Apr 1, 2009 21:21:58 GMT -5
"Auntie Kate!" suggests that they become friends. I find that.. sweet. Well, he needed her, too, ya silly woman. "Why are you helping Ben" who is right there listening. I have just melted into a puddle of goo at Sawyer and "I'm doing it for her" HAH! "You guys leave" And this, with Juliet in the shower with Jack? is the awesome. "We've been fine for three years" were y'all planning on buggering out before the exctinction? "Came back because I was supposed to" Wonder what that means. So does he. So Sawyer goes on to find out about Clementine and Cassidy. So Cassidy was actually right, holy crap. "You and me never woulda worked out" She mentions Juliet. "Done a lot of growing up" Whee! conversation tabling in the form of rifles! So what is Richard supposed to do? Use his mystical System Lord sarcophagous to heal the boy? OMG, a System Lord! Yes, that is totally what Richard should be!!!!
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