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Post by William the Bloody on Sept 8, 2003 20:41:11 GMT -5
Here ya go folks. Share that tasty tidbit (that may or may not be true) with other likewise minded souls. Have fun. Don't run with scissors.
Vlad
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Post by RAKSHA on Sept 8, 2003 22:36:53 GMT -5
I didn't see a "quote" button. Hope I'm in the right place. Anyway, I just wondered why this board had to move - not being critical, just curious...
RAKSHA The Spoiled Rotten Demon
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Post by Betsy on Sept 9, 2003 1:03:12 GMT -5
Spring asked on the other thread whether or not Spike has reached the requirements of the Shanshu Prophecy . . .
I'll have to check my Season 1 DVD's when I get home Tuesday Nite. I went to a concert tonite and stayed over at a friends. I'll check what the scrolls said and post it..
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Post by Sandy aka lparish on Sept 9, 2003 6:57:27 GMT -5
I didn't see a "quote" button. Hope I'm in the right place. Anyway, I just wondered why this board had to move - not being critical, just curious...
RAKSHA The Spoiled Rotten Demon It seems someone did a search using their name to find postings pertaining to them. Someone else had used this person's name in a spoiler and the person doing the search was accidentally spoiled. Clear as mud? So...this way, a search of the general posting area won't be affected by this thread.
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Post by Sandy - lparish on Sept 9, 2003 7:02:36 GMT -5
In the new season Angel intro (don't remember the tech name) why is Angel kissing Fred?
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Post by SandyShores on Sept 9, 2003 7:36:50 GMT -5
In the new season Angel intro (don't remember the tech name) why is Angel kissing Fred? Last season in a preview they had Angel kissing Fred and I thought - oh Boy. But it turned out to be Angel kissing Fred in an attempt to thow off their pursuers. Maybe they are still using that clip as a tease.
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Post by SpringSummers on Sept 9, 2003 9:10:46 GMT -5
Spring asked on the other thread whether or not Spike has reached the requirements of the Shanshu Prophecy . . . I'll have to check my Season 1 DVD's when I get home Tuesday Nite. I went to a concert tonite and stayed over at a friends. I'll check what the scrolls said and post it.. Thanks Besty. I watched so little AtS that I am kind of confused on this point, and don't have any AtS DVD's. I was just assuming from the way others have been talking that Spike has met requirements (be they too high or too low). But I don't really know what the specifics are.
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Post by Karen on Sept 9, 2003 9:32:40 GMT -5
Thanks Besty. I watched so little AtS that I am kind of confused on this point, and don't have any AtS DVD's. I was just assuming from the way others have been talking that Spike has met requirements (be they too high or too low). But I don't really know what the specifics are. Spring, Until Betsy comes back with her insights, here is the dialogue about the Shanshuing prophecy. Here is the dialogue from Angel concerning Shanshuing: I like Cordelia's reference to Pinocchio. I'm going to have to revisit the story.
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Post by LeeHollins on Sept 9, 2003 10:01:37 GMT -5
Found this reading Kristin's chat:
From Lily: James Marsters is doing a nude scene for something. At Dragon*Con, in Atlanta over Labor Day weekend, he mentioned it. He was talking about trying to quit smoking. He stated that he had been doing fairly well until the week before when he felt that he had to smoke to calm down enough to do a nude scene. That got the crowd very excited.
Yes, dearie, I have heard the same "rumors" (as I mentioned in this week's column) and can tell you they are true. To which I can only say, "Oh, mama. Me likey."[/color]
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From monogirl: Anything else on Angel? Thanks for the feature this week, you're the best.
You're welcome, lovey. It's shaping up to be a very promising season, from what I've seen. They're really getting back to what made Angel and Buffy so addictive back in the day: more wit, better monsters/villains and a more simplified good vs. bad theme. Fred, Gunn and Wesley will be back to more of supporting characters this season, and Spike is giving the atmosphere a nice electric jolt. I think you guys are really going to dig the new dynamic.[/color]
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From seba_88: That thing about Spike's love interest, can it be, oh, I don't know, Fred?
Hmmm...Well that certainly would be interesting, now would it? I have heard that subtle feelings will develop on one end.[/color]
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From beebee: What kind of "better" monsters/villains?
Much talk of the Reaper this season and also a creepy, creeepy chick I like to call Shardlotte. She has something of a glass eye, that's really more of a weapon. And the actress playing her is named Willow, which is a source of confusion over on set.[/color]
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From subme: Is Angel ever going to get some lovin?
Yep, in episode five, he's going to be "macking on" a lucky little lady by the name of Eve, who is more or less Lilah's replacement as the liaison. Mmm hmm. Dangerous liaisons, indeed.[/color]
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About JM being naked? Could he have been referring to his movie he will be filming in Italy? Doesn't he have love scenes in the movie? I just don't know if we can count on him being naked on the show. Doesn't mean I'm not hoping he will be - I just don't know if we count on it.
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Post by Sandy - lparish on Sept 9, 2003 11:45:51 GMT -5
WESLEY: (back to books) Uh - oops. I may have made a tiny mistake. The word "Shanshu" that I said meant you were going to die? Actually I think it means you're going to live. CORDELIA: Okay, as tiny mistakes go... that's not one. WESLEY: Shanshu has roots in so many different languages. The most ancient source is the Proto-Bantu and they consider life and death the same thing. It's part of a cycle. Only a thing that's not alive never dies. It's - it's saying that you get to live until you die. It's saying - it's saying... you become human. CORDELIA: That's the prophecy? WESLEY: Ah, the vampire with a soul, once he fulfills his destiny, will Shanshu. Become human. It's his reward. CORDELIA: Wow. Angel, human. ANGEL: That'd be nice. CORDELIA: Wait. What's that thing about him having to fulfill his destiny first? WESLEY: Well, it's saying that it won't happen tomorrow or the next day. He has to survive the coming darkness, the apocalyptic battles, a few plagues, and some - uh, several - not that many - fiends that will be unleashed on the world. ANGEL: So don't break out the champagne just yet. CORDELIA: Oh, yeah, break out the champagne, Pinocchio. This is a big deal! ANGEL: I guess it is. CORDELIA: Typical. I hook up with the only person in history who ever came to LA to get older. This looks so vague, Spike could easily come back as a vamp. Look how long Angel has suffered and fought and he still has to suffer and fight more. Spike has more time to serve, it appears. Maybe what he did do in Sunnydale was enough to keep him out of hell, but not enough for a greater reward.
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Post by Karen on Sept 9, 2003 12:00:07 GMT -5
This looks so vague, Spike could easily come back as a vamp. Look how long Angel has suffered and fought and he still has to suffer and fight more. Spike has more time to serve, it appears. Maybe what he did do in Sunnydale was enough to keep him out of hell, but not enough for a greater reward. That's our Joss. King of vagueness. Some of the other dialogue in the episode had to do with how translations of old demon language is so difficult. And the translations themselves are open to different interpretations. Leaves alot of doors open. ;D
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Post by SpringSummers on Sept 9, 2003 12:06:15 GMT -5
This looks so vague, Spike could easily come back as a vamp. Look how long Angel has suffered and fought and he still has to suffer and fight more. Spike has more time to serve, it appears. Maybe what he did do in Sunnydale was enough to keep him out of hell, but not enough for a greater reward. Geesh. Reading that, it's impossible to figure out if Spike's made the grade. I had no idea it was that vague. Joss can definitely do whatever he wants with that.
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Post by Betsy on Sept 9, 2003 12:15:46 GMT -5
Geesh. Reading that, it's impossible to figure out if Spike's made the grade. I had no idea it was that vague. Joss can definitely do whatever he wants with that. That's why I'm thinking his reward for saving the world at the end of Season 7 was his first step to redemption/atonement. But only the first step . . . there is still much he needs to make up for. His sacraficing himself and the reward for that was not being dead, but coming back and continuing on his journey. There will be plenty more for both him and Angel to achieve before receiving their ultimate reward. Now I'm thinking, when Skip showed up and said that everything was set up for Jasmine to come, it's made me wonder if perhaps the prophecy couldn't have also been some sort of set up to make sure Angel stayed on the road to redemption with the ultimate reward of becomeing human . . . make sure he didn't go off the path thus mucking up the plans of bring Jasmine forward. What if it's a false prophecy . . . not like it wouldn't be the first one -- remember the whole "the father will kill the son", which was a set up by that demon that brought Holtz into the present, just to get Connor so Connor couldn't kill him.
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Post by SpringSummers on Sept 9, 2003 12:36:51 GMT -5
That's why I'm thinking his reward for saving the world at the end of Season 7 was his first step to redemption/atonement. But only the first step . . . there is still much he needs to make up for. His sacraficing himself and the reward for that was not being dead, but coming back and continuing on his journey. There will be plenty more for both him and Angel to achieve before receiving their ultimate reward. Now I'm thinking, when Skip showed up and said that everything was set up for Jasmine to come, it's made me wonder if perhaps the prophecy couldn't have also been some sort of set up to make sure Angel stayed on the road to redemption with the ultimate reward of becomeing human . . . make sure he didn't go off the path thus mucking up the plans of bring Jasmine forward. What if it's a false prophecy . . . not like it wouldn't be the first one -- remember the whole "the father will kill the son", which was a set up by that demon that brought Holtz into the present, just to get Connor so Connor couldn't kill him. As vague as that dialogue is about what it takes to Shanshu, Joss could do anything with it - let Spike Shanshu tomorrow or never, same with Angel. We've never had any clear indication it's something Spike wants - i.e., I can't really think of any time we've seem him longing to be human. He was able to figure out a soul might help him not hurt Buffy again, so he wanted it. If he does become human this season, it will be something that happens "to him" not something he's been working toward or seeking. He'd have to deal with it, the way he did the chip, and then the surprisingly painful effects of having a soul. Angel may have indicated he wants to become human again - I have probably seen less than 25% of the AtS eps, so I don't know on that score. Not that "what you want" makes that big a difference to what you get, in the Jossverse (or, come to think of it, in the real Universe). Was the "father will kill the son" prophecy really false? Can Angel be seen as having "killed" Connor? Just something to chew on.
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Post by Betsy on Sept 9, 2003 12:42:35 GMT -5
As vague as that dialogue is about what it takes to Shanshu, Joss could do anything with it - let Spike Shanshu tomorrow or never, same with Angel. We've never had any clear indication it's something Spike wants - i.e., I can't really think of any time we've seem him longing to be human. He was able to figure out a soul might help him not hurt Buffy again, so he wanted it. If he does become human this season, it will be something that happens "to him" not something he's been working toward or seeking. He'd have to deal with it, the way he did the chip, and then the surprisingly painful effects of having a soul. Angel may have indicated he wants to become human again - I have probably seen less than 25% of the AtS eps, so I don't know on that score. Not that "what you want" makes that big a difference to what you get, in the Jossverse (or, come to think of it, in the real Universe). Was the "father will kill the son" prophecy really false? Can Angel be seen as having "killed" Connor? Just something to chew on. I don't think I remember Angel ever wishing he was human -- at least out loud. It never crossed his mind til the end of Season 1 when Wes deciphered the prophecy, then he started thinking of it. In fact that is partially what the 1st episode of season 2 dealth with. Let me see if at lunch I can find the dialogue from that episode.
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