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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:26:12 GMT -5
Suns' eye this time. Definite flirtage between Jack & Kate about his tat. Charley said they were "verbally copulating." Sun lookde sad. Jin was a waiter at a party. He's poor, she's NOT. Can I just say that I NEW the "lessons" were English. I figured that out by then, too. I feel bad she had to leave her dog behind. I felt Charlie was jealous of Kate and Jack's relationship. I wonder what the ratio of men to women is.
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:27:45 GMT -5
So we learned a bit about our Korean couple - interesting that he was the pauper going after the princess. I do think they truly love each other, though things have gotten all screwed up between them, due to the sort of . . . deal with the devil that Jin made to win Sun's hand. These two actors do a wonderful job. I did think that Sun's English was way too good for a Korean who had only been taking lessons, but didn't seem to otherwise have any exposure. They are certainly hitting the "black/white" theme again (as with the backgammon pieces) with those two stones found in the skeleton's little bag. Seemed very Yin-Yang. Our characters have all exhibited marked duality and so has the island. Overall, I'm getting a"your life is what you make it" theme for this series right now, with life on an island that literally responds to what you really want, providing the metaphor. I really like the light/dark theme. Some people compliment each other, and others are opposite. Even the beach is light and the jungle dark.
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:33:28 GMT -5
I just kept thinking that the diamond doesn't mean much on that island or in the marriage. Much better to get a flower from a nice, decent guy who treats you good. Like Sawyer and Sayid working together. I kept wondering if the water would still be there. I see they didn't cut up ALL the water bottles. I'm just glad Charley stepped on bees, not snakes. Bees and dead bodies don't bother me, but snakes. AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Anybody else think how much cheaper this show will be to produce if they spend a lot of time in those "caves"? Were those gemstones that Jack found in the pouch? I really liked the scenes with Locke and Charley. "Just 'cause I'm over 40 doesn't mean I'm deaf." Locke is definitely making himself the shaman. "have faith" "give something to the island" "look up" Sun had some spirit once. She definitely has the abused wife vibe--I'll do whatever my husband wants in order to avoid the abuse. Was Jin ever the nice, sweet guy he seemed or was it doing his father-in-law's obviously very dirty work what made him mean? Can he be redeemed? Did Sun think so when she stayed with him or do she feel, like many abused woman, that she deserves what she gets? Does anyone else think Kate might have moved to the caves if Jack hadn't just assumed she'd be moving? I'm glad they're making some serious plans, but it would make sense to have a rotating look-out on the beach. "C's actually" Looking down and comparing they look more like A's. ;D Nice thoughts, Nicki. I was actually talking to the screen - "hey, guys - you can rotate look-outs". I don't think the beach dwellers want to admit that they're stuck there. I missed Boone and Shannon. Did you see where they ended up? Or Claire?
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:36:05 GMT -5
I temporarily interupt this posting thread for a public service anouncement. Something wonderous is occuring: The moon is going away. Thank you very much. That is all. It still looks beautiful. But spooky.
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:39:54 GMT -5
Are we all convinced the island is "making wishes come true?" I mean, it sort of seems that way, and it sort of doesn't. I agree that Jin was not physically abusing Sun, but since she went so far as to plan to leave him, things must have been getting pretty bad. I had this feeling, though, that she was running away from her father as much as Jin. I think something is definitely up with the island. Do you notice the "Lost" logo at the beginning of each episode looks alot like the Outer Limits and old Twilight Zone logos? Sun was definitely running from her father. It's probably why she chose a poor man to fall in love with.
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:41:09 GMT -5
I agree that it is good to keep the mystery going a bit. I'm glad you mentioned that line from Kate, though, because I reacted to it pretty strongly. It immediately got my hackles up. Maybe this is just me, but it struck me as soooooo childish. I hate that kind of answer - "You had only one chance, and you didn't behave exactly as I would have liked, so now I'm going to pout about it forever and never give you another chance." Yeah. I wonder what her game is.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 27, 2004 22:42:33 GMT -5
I think something is definitely up with the island. Do you notice the "Lost" logo at the beginning of each episode looks alot like the Outer Limits and old Twilight Zone logos? Sun was definitely running from her father. It's probably why she chose a poor man to fall in love with.Yes - great point. That makes perfect sense. She picks a guy she knows her father won't approve of, in order to distance herself from her father - then he ends up trying to turn himself into someone her father will approve of. Such a disappointment for Sun!
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:44:18 GMT -5
Fascinating thought. A symbiotic relationship. Or a god that requires worshippers? Yowza Huh. God does require worshippers, doesn't he? Otherwise he wouldn't exist. Kind of like "does a tree make a noise when it falls if there is no one there to hear it". And by exist - I mean in the sense of awareness. If that makes any sense. Like we all exist, but wouldn't really if no one was aware of our existance. ;D
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:45:37 GMT -5
but apparently doesn't require all that many...cause most of the people on the plane died.... or did they......*creepy music....* dodododo.... That and the creepy looking moon is getting me in the mood for Halloween.
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:47:33 GMT -5
I guess making wishes come true isn't really what I think either. More like . . . . feeding off their thoughts and emotions sometimes? Or maybe it's just Locke doing it. ;D Lola Oo - scary. I don't know if I think Locke is doing it, unless he made a deal with the big loud thing in the jungle that day he killed the boar.
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Post by Karen on Oct 27, 2004 22:52:30 GMT -5
The bees - well sure, we see Kate's Cs, but maybe it has another higher brow purpose - like paralleling Jin's mad-as-a-hornet reaction to what he might be seeing as Michael's invasive threat to his little world. We get some "setting up hives" feel from what Jack and Sayid are doing. Surely - we are not heading for some kind of Lord of the Flies set up? Surely, our castaways or too old for such foolish boys games?But if Sayid gets a conch shell, and Locke puts a boar's head on a stick, and Hurley ends up breaking his glasses - oh wait. He doesn't have glasses. That's a scary thought, Spring. Is human nature so basic, that even grown-ups revert to being savages when they are cast out of civilization? Or just some of them? And what will hold them together? Fear or hope?
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Post by Rachael on Oct 27, 2004 23:08:12 GMT -5
yes, Locke is sure the god figure on this island, isn't he? <snip> Or maybe the prophet or oracle. He seems to be the voice of the island. Like a Sibyl...especially now that he's doing speaking for particular individuals. We were right all along - Locke IS the spirit of the island, in a way - but he wasn't, until he got there.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 27, 2004 23:09:45 GMT -5
I don't think he ever abused her. He seemed to love her very much and to me the problem was first that he worked so hard and was away so much working for her father that she was lonely...and then she found out that he had sacrificed his honor in order to marry her. I think she felt great guilt - after all, she knew her father was a criminal, and she looked troubled from the beginning when Jin said he was going to work for her father. I think she 'knew' all along. I loved the scene in the airport when she was going to leave - she obviously still loved him - the tears were flowing even before she saw the flower. I just don't have the Jin hate thing going... Me, neither. In fact, true to form, I'm starting to have a little "thing" for Jin. He's a bastard, but out of necessity and bad choices, not by nature. So there's hope for him.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 27, 2004 23:12:11 GMT -5
**pout** Here too. But I did see a partial moon eclipse about a year ago or so. And just to make the post legal. ;D I'm wondering just how regularly folks get stranded on the island. I mean, there's the radio transmission from like . . 16 years ago. And now the bodies that died maybe 40/50 plus years ago. Does the island need to have people on it - somehow attract them or make them crash - so it can have wishes to create? Lola Hang on - why the 40/50 year assumption? 'Cause it seemed to me that that much deterioration could easily happen in 16 years, out in the elements like that. Did I miss a bit of dialogue?
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Post by Rachael on Oct 27, 2004 23:18:58 GMT -5
So - anybody wonder what it was that Locke had to give the island?
And...it's ironic, really, that had Sun gone through with her plan to leave, she would have saved both herself and Jin. From the plane crash, anyway. But maybe now she's saved them both in a more significant way.
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