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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 28, 2004 0:03:14 GMT -5
I am thinking that Locke is still working on what he's going to give to the island. For some reason, the word "sacrifice" comes to mind . . . Charlie looks kind of young and tender and sweet . . . oh my gosh.....*shiver* I'm NOT the only one who still doesn't trust Locke...
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Post by Rob on Oct 28, 2004 1:06:42 GMT -5
oh my gosh.....*shiver* I'm NOT the only one who still doesn't trust Locke... 1. I got a definite "hmmm" moment when Jack pulled the black and white stones out of the long-dead man's pocket. It's as if he was the "Locke" of THAT particular group. Not sure what the significance was just yet, but clearly we were supposed to recognize that. 2. Really nice swerve with the watch. I know I was expecting to see a recent flashback when...whats-his-face saw Sun naked in the jungle. Jin off in the distance, waiting for his chance to strike. Of course, that really makes no sense, 'cause it seemed like such a spur-of-the-moment attack. I'll say this much: that's one possible love triangle that can't end well. 3. You know, the chemistry is SO obvious: why don't Kate and Sawyer just get it on already? Jack is a good guy, but you can just see the glint in Kate's eye when she faces off with the official "Bad Boy" of the island. 4. A few posts back, I saw a few people chastise Kate for not sharing her dark past with Jack...but in fairness, Jack isn't exactly being open with her about the reason for the tattoos, either. It's a two-way street. 5. Two sides...one if light, one is dark. Two groups...one in a dark, habitable cave, one in a light, open beach. Who was right? 6. Choices, decisions...Jack chose to chase the ghost of his father, rather than run from it. He was rewarded with a measure of closure and a limitless supply of fresh water. This week, Charlie chose his music over drugs, and again he was rewarded. However, it appears next week he goes back on that decision...and Locke seems to be giving him free will to do so. What will be the consequences when someone makes what the island considers to be the WRONG decision? Ok, that's all I've got. Lots of food for thought in this episode.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 28, 2004 2:11:06 GMT -5
Yeah, they made it all so polarizing! Which I suppose is actually a good metaphor for how different people are reacting to the accident and being on the island. I wonder if now we'll get even more stories, contrasting the folks on the beach and the folks in the caves. Yeah, Kate really wanted him to be thinking about her rear view. ;D And then it turns out he's busy planning a better hospital with a pool. Maybe Hurley's one big wish is for the music to just keep going. So the island is making his batteries last forever! Lola Hah!!!! I didn't even think about that!!! And it isn't just your big wish. It's the idle daydreams too. As I sincerely doubt that young Walt really really wanted that polar bear....
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Post by Matthew on Oct 28, 2004 2:19:55 GMT -5
The bees - well sure, we see Kate's Cs, but maybe it has another higher brow purpose - like paralleling Jin's mad-as-a-hornet reaction to what he might be seeing as Michael's invasive threat to his little world. We get some "setting up hives" feel from what Jack and Sayid are doing. Surely - we are not heading for some kind of Lord of the Flies set up? Surely, our castaways or too old for such foolish boys games? But if Sayid gets a conch shell, and Locke puts a boar's head on a stick, and Hurley ends up breaking his glasses - oh wait. He doesn't have glasses. *Ahem* Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just had to say that. Scary thing is, I can see the parrellels. Dammit.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 28, 2004 2:23:15 GMT -5
I figured that out by then, too. I feel bad she had to leave her dog behind. I felt Charlie was jealous of Kate and Jack's relationship. I wonder what the ratio of men to women is. Huh. No Boone, Stickshannon, or Claire this episode. Just made me think of it because Charlie seems sweet on Claire. <EDIT> Which you noticed way way before I did. I noticed the lack of Boone, because I'd figure that he'd be right in the thick of things, semi-ineffectually trying to break up the fight, and getting decked by both sides. It seems to be his role, thus far.
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Post by Matthew on Oct 28, 2004 2:33:18 GMT -5
Hang on - why the 40/50 year assumption? 'Cause it seemed to me that that much deterioration could easily happen in 16 years, out in the elements like that. Did I miss a bit of dialogue? When Jack was examining the body, he stated that it takes about 50 years for clothing to deteriorate to that degree. I think that I rather agree with you, though. Damp environement? Dark, so that it would never dry out? I suppose we are supposed to get it that the little cavelets are dry enough that the bodies mummified, but I sincerely doubt it. Oh, hell, polar bears., Why couldn't they have stayed preserved and mummified?
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Post by Matthew on Oct 28, 2004 2:43:08 GMT -5
Jack did handle it sorta wrong. In addition to declaring Kate's ass "irresistable" when she was obviously fishing for such a compliment, he should have brought it up with his lieutenants, the idea of moving the group back there, with a beach fire watch. Such people could fish and do other water based things while on duty, too.
But then, there are two sources of conflict: Conflict from without, and conflict from within, and Abrams is damn' good at giving us both. Show would be pretty boring in terms of human dynamics if everyone got along. Which just brings to mind that Chinese curse: "May you live in Interesting Times". If I were to wind up in a situation like that, pray GOD it would be as dull as possible in terms of human interactions. Hell, in terms of interactions with the island itself, too.
And I think that that section of plane there was their plane: witness Charlie's guitar, and Jack saying to salvage it for drugs: which wold have been a moot point after fifty years. Plus the coffin, etc. I think that he deduced the existence of another plane from the fact that Adam and Eve were there on the island in the first place.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 28, 2004 8:49:57 GMT -5
1. I got a definite "hmmm" moment when Jack pulled the black and white stones out of the long-dead man's pocket. It's as if he was the "Locke" of THAT particular group. Not sure what the significance was just yet, but clearly we were supposed to recognize that. Yes - I had the same kind of hmmmm moment. Yet I keep thinking that it's a love triangle that might actually happen, if Jin doesn't see the light here soon, and start treating Sun better. Agreed - but this is just the sort of "Sam & Diane", Moonlighting, or "Buffy & Spike" tension that is going to be dragged out for awhile, I think. Agreed - though I was talking about the pouty tone of the "you had your chance," statement - just a personal pet peeve of mine, I'm sure. I like that thought. Dark in the cave, light on the beach - both needed and must work together for optimal survival chances.
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 28, 2004 8:53:51 GMT -5
Jack did handle it sorta wrong. In addition to declaring Kate's ass "irresistable" when she was obviously fishing for such a compliment, he should have brought it up with his lieutenants, the idea of moving the group back there, with a beach fire watch. Such people could fish and do other water based things while on duty, too. But then, there are two sources of conflict: Conflict from without, and conflict from within, and Abrams is damn' good at giving us both. Show would be pretty boring in terms of human dynamics if everyone got along. Which just brings to mind that Chinese curse: "May you live in Interesting Times". If I were to wind up in a situation like that, pray GOD it would be as dull as possible in terms of human interactions. Hell, in terms of interactions with the island itself, too. And I think that that section of plane there was their plane: witness Charlie's guitar, and Jack saying to salvage it for drugs: which wold have been a moot point after fifty years. Plus the coffin, etc. I think that he deduced the existence of another plane from the fact that Adam and Eve were there on the island in the first place. Like the conflict within/without that you bring up here, Matthew. And so you think that Jack should have declared Kate's ass irresistible, and also brought the matter up for discussion with his lieutentants? I can't agree that her butt is that important, but . . . . ( - I am deliberately misunderstanding you for cheap yucks. . . yes, I did read further.) Yes - that has to be a section of their plane, I think.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 28, 2004 9:57:34 GMT -5
Two comments, neither particularly deep, before I actually read the thread: "Verbally copulating", hee! That's a Joss line if ever I heard one. Why can I hear Spike saying that? Moving camp: Why does it have to be all or nothing? Wouldn't a more sensible plan be to set up a base camp in the caves, and maintain a crew on the beach as well? They're going to need fish and other seafood anyway, so why not assign a group, maybe rotating, to keep the signal fire going and gather beach stuff? Why has Jack completely given up hope of rescue? It's one thing to be realistic, it's another to rule out that option entirely. Does he know something no one else knows? By the way, did the original hiking crew tell Jack about the transmission? I can't remember. ETA: And I see that I am not the only one being sensible about the beach, here.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 28, 2004 10:02:57 GMT -5
One more. Speaking of acting (somebody commented on Sun's) I thought Charley's face when in saw his guitar and then held it was awesome.Isn't anybody dreaming of steak and french fries? Yes, I got sniffly. That was just beautiful.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 28, 2004 10:04:13 GMT -5
oh! that's right! I wondered when I heard that line - you made me remember. So...what did Locke give back to the island do you suppose? no Sue, I didn't see the article ...but that's interesting. Locke said he looked into the eye of the island (or something along those lines) and it was beautiful. So maybe, his complete trust? Maybe his life?
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 28, 2004 10:05:36 GMT -5
The bees - well sure, we see Kate's Cs, but maybe it has another higher brow purpose - like paralleling Jin's mad-as-a-hornet reaction to what he might be seeing as Michael's invasive threat to his little world. We get some "setting up hives" feel from what Jack and Sayid are doing. Surely - we are not heading for some kind of Lord of the Flies set up? Surely, our castaways or too old for such foolish boys games? But if Sayid gets a conch shell, and Locke puts a boar's head on a stick, and Hurley ends up breaking his glasses - oh wait. He doesn't have glasses. Hurley could break his headphones.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 28, 2004 10:06:06 GMT -5
Locke said he looked into the eye of the island (or something along those lines) and it was beautiful. So maybe, his complete trust? Maybe his life? Part of me is really wondering about his free will, actually.
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Post by Anne, Old S'cubie Cat on Oct 28, 2004 10:08:28 GMT -5
Part of me is really wondering about his free will, actually. That as well. Maybe his soul? I think I'm getting into Joss territory here.
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