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Post by Nickim on Oct 28, 2004 11:57:10 GMT -5
Oh now, if they find a package with some Omaha steaks packed in dry ice and a bag of Oridas I'll have completely had it. Vlad I'm still wondering where they got that axe. Do planes carry axes?
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Post by Nickim on Oct 28, 2004 12:00:07 GMT -5
Just you all touched on some really good points that I was/am going to be putting in the review. I noticed some other things... I'll toss one out for example: While you all were dreamily watching sayid and sawyer frolic in the surf, hoping htey would rip their shirts off, I noticed how they were like negatives of each other. One in white shirt, one in black. One with fair skin and fair hair and the other with dark skin and hair. And it made me think of Locke's speech. And here, we had BOTH sides working together for a common purpose. Vlad You're right, I just noticed the hottnes, not the important "light & dark" clues.
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Post by Nickim on Oct 28, 2004 12:02:44 GMT -5
The bees - well sure, we see Kate's Cs, but maybe it has another higher brow purpose - like paralleling Jin's mad-as-a-hornet reaction to what he might be seeing as Michael's invasive threat to his little world. We get some "setting up hives" feel from what Jack and Sayid are doing. Surely - we are not heading for some kind of Lord of the Flies set up? Surely, our castaways or too old for such foolish boys games? But if Sayid gets a conch shell, and Locke puts a boar's head on a stick, and Hurley ends up breaking his glasses - oh wait. He doesn't have glasses. Humans are never too old for foolish games. We still have war, don't we?
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Post by Nickim on Oct 28, 2004 12:07:06 GMT -5
I haven't had a chance to read this thread yet. Good episode. The only time I noticed the color orange tonight was on Michael. Kate's orange shirt was gone. I accidentally read a while ago that there was going to be a split within the group. Those who have hopes of still getting rescued, and those who don't have hope, or who decide to make the island their home. I guess we saw that tonight. So I wonder if the water will become an issue? I had to cry when Charlie got his guitar back. He's going to be feeling the drugs real bad soon. Looks like maybe next week is his week. I think Sun feels responsible for the fact that Jin gave up so much to marry her. The scene in the airport was heartwrenching. There's so much hurt there. Her miracle was to be able to stay with her husband away from the influence of her father. They ended up in the jungle, so I suppose that means they've given up hopes of being rescued. I wonder if they'll eventually split tho, because it always seemed to me that Jin still thinks that they'll be rescued. Any guesses on the meaning of the black and white stone they found with Adam and Eve? It reminds me of what people use to blackball people. You know, when you put all white balls in the bucket, and whoever pulls the one black one is out.Nice moment between Walt and his father at the end. Kate is a very lucky woman. I like both Jack and Sawyer and it seems she likes both, too. Do you think if Kate had decided to live in the jungle that Sawyer would have followed her? I do. It is very like "Survivor". People unfortunately do split into groups naturally. Human nature, I guess. Back to catch up on your thoughts. Anyone watching the eclipse? It's way cool. All blood red. These have probably been mentioned, but.... No food left, so someone gets eaten? Although, the island seems to have food available now, but many not 40 or 50 years ago. Since "Adam" & "Eve" weren't eaten, maybe they had a suicide pact. Or, who gets sacrificed to the island next?
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Post by SpringSummers on Oct 28, 2004 12:13:33 GMT -5
You're right, I just noticed the hottnes, not the important "light & dark" clues. LOL. Right there with ya, scooter.
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Post by Karen on Oct 28, 2004 13:10:14 GMT -5
oh my gosh.....*shiver* I'm NOT the only one who still doesn't trust Locke... I don't' know if I trust him because he is keeping what he saw of the big loud scary thing to himself. He must feel it gives him some kind of power. Kewl avatar of the eclipse, Patti. I was going to take pictures last night, but didn't. It looked red and spooky from my house.
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Post by Karen on Oct 28, 2004 13:14:09 GMT -5
1. I got a definite "hmmm" moment when Jack pulled the black and white stones out of the long-dead man's pocket. It's as if he was the "Locke" of THAT particular group. Not sure what the significance was just yet, but clearly we were supposed to recognize that.Ok, that's all I've got. Lots of food for thought in this episode. Makes me hungry for more. I don't remember, did Jack and Kate keep the discovery of the stones a secret?
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 28, 2004 13:16:05 GMT -5
Hang on - why the 40/50 year assumption? 'Cause it seemed to me that that much deterioration could easily happen in 16 years, out in the elements like that. Did I miss a bit of dialogue? Yes, Jack told Kate that the bodys had to have been there at least 50 years for the clothing to have deteriorated that much.
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Post by Karen on Oct 28, 2004 13:17:27 GMT -5
Huh. No Boone, Stickshannon, or Claire this episode. Just made me think of it because Charlie seems sweet on Claire. <EDIT> Which you noticed way way before I did. I noticed the lack of Boone, because I'd figure that he'd be right in the thick of things, semi-ineffectually trying to break up the fight, and getting decked by both sides. It seems to be his role, thus far. I think we probably noticed that at the same time. I just got here first. Maybe Boone is off licking his wounds after last week's confrontation. I hope things can be patched up.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 28, 2004 13:18:52 GMT -5
What will be the consequences when someone makes what the island considers to be the WRONG decision? voice crying in the wilderness here....pilot! dead! tree!
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Post by Nickim on Oct 28, 2004 13:19:29 GMT -5
Seems to me that fear, or the lack thereof, is the key to the island "big bad."
The pilot was disoriented and scared. What's a pilots' greatest fear after a crash? I'd say that his greatest fear would be that the crash was his fault, that he was responsible for the deaths of all those people. Feeling suvivor guilt--it's very common, why did I live and not the person sitting next to me--would cause the pilot to think I deserve to die and he did.
Locke faced the "big bad" without fear and he not only survived, but thrived.
Charley's gonna go through a lot of fear and physical pain--they call it "kicking the habit" because of the convulsions caused by withdrawl--when he goes into withdrawl. How will he face the "big bad?"
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 28, 2004 13:21:00 GMT -5
Jack did handle it sorta wrong. In addition to declaring Kate's ass "irresistable" when she was obviously fishing for such a compliment, he should have brought it up with his lieutenants, the idea of moving the group back there, with a beach fire watch. Such people could fish and do other water based things while on duty, too. But then, there are two sources of conflict: Conflict from without, and conflict from within, and Abrams is damn' good at giving us both. Show would be pretty boring in terms of human dynamics if everyone got along. Which just brings to mind that Chinese curse: "May you live in Interesting Times". If I were to wind up in a situation like that, pray GOD it would be as dull as possible in terms of human interactions. Hell, in terms of interactions with the island itself, too. And I think that that section of plane there was their plane: witness Charlie's guitar, and Jack saying to salvage it for drugs: which wold have been a moot point after fifty years. Plus the coffin, etc. I think that he deduced the existence of another plane from the fact that Adam and Eve were there on the island in the first place. oh....ok, all that makes sense.
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Post by Rachael on Oct 28, 2004 13:21:34 GMT -5
voice crying in the wilderness here....pilot! dead! tree! Oh, don't worry - I haven't forgotten the pilot. Or the other dead folks. Or the complete creepiness of the "it's killed them all" message.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 28, 2004 13:22:42 GMT -5
Two comments, neither particularly deep, before I actually read the thread: "Verbally copulating", hee! That's a Joss line if ever I heard one. Why can I hear Spike saying that? Moving camp: Why does it have to be all or nothing? Wouldn't a more sensible plan be to set up a base camp in the caves, and maintain a crew on the beach as well? They're going to need fish and other seafood anyway, so why not assign a group, maybe rotating, to keep the signal fire going and gather beach stuff? Why has Jack completely given up hope of rescue? It's one thing to be realistic, it's another to rule out that option entirely. Does he know something no one else knows? By the way, did the original hiking crew tell Jack about the transmission? I can't remember. ETA: And I see that I am not the only one being sensible about the beach, here. Kate told Jack about the transmission soon as she got back into camp that day.
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Post by Patti - S'cubie Cutie on Oct 28, 2004 13:24:37 GMT -5
These have probably been mentioned, but.... No food left, so someone gets eaten? Although, the island seems to have food available now, but many not 40 or 50 years ago. Since "Adam" & "Eve" weren't eaten, maybe they had a suicide pact. Or, who gets sacrificed to the island next? yeah...maybe the stones were the equivalent of 'put out your torch and leave the island now'.....
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