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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2004 8:12:10 GMT -5
Maybe Jack is gay. He is either COMPELETELY blind cause he never meets her halfway, or he's not that into her. hee! When you mention either gay or being completely blind, my 12-year old mind perked up. Maybe he's just coming off of a relationship, or maybe he's not thinking with that part of his brain yet, but I don't think he's gay. And there is something there - by the way he was looking at Kate's picture, it seems that he is into her.
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2004 8:14:57 GMT -5
So, Charlie makes good bait because Locke knew he would run away from the grunting? Was Locke trying to teach Charlie another lesson by using him like that, or was he just using him? Was there some reason they showed Locke so bloodied up from killing the boar?
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2004 8:20:17 GMT -5
I think of it more as "voice" than "eye", but I don't see why not that, too. Locke said he looked into the "eye" of the island and it was beautiful. So he saw the eye, and now he's its voice? Hmm. Sticking with the Jasmine theme, that's what Connor said about Jasime, even though he could see her true face. I kind like this theory. We can't deny that there is something unnatural about the island and that there is some force at work here.
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 5, 2004 8:26:01 GMT -5
All kidding aside... I tossed that possibility around for a bit. We haven't seen any evidence to the contrary. Be interesting if ABC decided to be the first national network to have a drama with a fleshed out male lead that was gay. *shrugs* They were, after all, the network behind Ellen and pushed all sorts of sexual limits with Roseanne. Disney owned ABC has never been terribly shy about homosexuality. Maybe it was Jack's sexual orientation that is the big "thing" to which his mother referred. Vlad OH - interesting! I agree the "Jack is gay" theory is a serious possibility. Though - they've all only known each other 8 days, so Jack's cautious reactions are still well within the normal range for a male heterosexual. Makes it hard to say what is going on with him. What I mean is - the first few days barely count as "getting to know you time," due to shock and disorientation. So, for me, it's more Kate's "so very into him, so fast" reactions that seem a bit off, than Jack's "still getting grounded" reactions. It is easy to understand why he isn't meeting her halfway when she's running toward him that fast and furious.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 5, 2004 8:28:13 GMT -5
OK, while I appreciate everyone's responses to my Hurley post, I stand by my original opinion: he has generally been portrayed as somewhat clueless comic relief, though I will concede he's generally been sweet-natured and non-judgmental. Wouldn't it be nice if an overweight character occasionally showed some intellgence and leadership skills on television? Seems they're always portrayed to a fat guy stereotype of some kind. Now...I WILL hold out and wait to see if there is more to be done with the character, but the signs I've seen so far are not encouraging. I like the theory of Jack's potential homosexuality, though I don't think they'll go there. I think the tattoos will tell us a lot more about the issues his mother was referring to...maybe he joined the Merchant Marine or something. I have a fresh theory about who brained Sayid: the dog! He was skulking through the bushes in the first couple of episodes...obviously planning something. Maybe the island gave him supernatural strength, and he simply wanted to play fetch with Sayid. How about that? Huh? The dog! My God, why didn't I see that! **slaps forehead** The island is obviously helping him to acquire opposable thumbs and he must stop the pesky humans from interfering. Lola
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Post by Lola m on Nov 5, 2004 8:28:50 GMT -5
So...you got chased for a minute on a pig farm, then? I was once attacked by a rooster at a Minnesota auction sale. Top THAT. **snicker** Lola
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 5, 2004 8:31:54 GMT -5
OK, while I appreciate everyone's responses to my Hurley post, I stand by my original opinion: he has generally been portrayed as somewhat clueless comic relief, though I will concede he's generally been sweet-natured and non-judgmental. Wouldn't it be nice if an overweight character occasionally showed some intellgence and leadership skills on television? Seems they're always portrayed to a fat guy stereotype of some kind. Now...I WILL hold out and wait to see if there is more to be done with the character, but the signs I've seen so far are not encouraging. I like the theory of Jack's potential homosexuality, though I don't think they'll go there. I think the tattoos will tell us a lot more about the issues his mother was referring to...maybe he joined the Merchant Marine or something. I have a fresh theory about who brained Sayid: the dog! He was skulking through the bushes in the first couple of episodes...obviously planning something. Maybe the island gave him supernatural strength, and he simply wanted to play fetch with Sayid. How about that? Huh? LOL! But, nah - the dog is a sweetie-pie. I don't blame you for being pessimistic about Hurley - TV shows do have a bad record in this regard. When it is Hurley's turn for "backstory," that should tell us a lot about where they are going with him.
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Post by Lola m on Nov 5, 2004 8:32:17 GMT -5
Hi All! I am slinking over to this thread because I haven’t caught up with the main thread yet. Bad me! RL has been full of funnelcakes of late -- and not in a good way. Too much to do and not enough time. I wanted to go on record to say that Spring's EEEEEVVUUUULLLLL prescience scares me. When Locke told Charlie that he made excellent bait, the following quote from last week came to mind: Spring said: Cue spooky music. I really like everyone's speculations about the mysterious basher. I, myself, am leaning towards Locke, (not Vincent, sorry Rob!) although I won't be disappointed if it was a new character. If it was Sawyer, though, they better reveal a helluvalot next episode to justify it. (Could've been him, 'cause who's to say that the third rocket was not an island illusion?) Also, am I the only one who started to think that the theme song of yesterday's episode was: Self-esteem is for everybody Self-esteem is for everyone You can dream and be anybody, but Self-esteem is how you get it done... OK. Just me then. (And I gave myself an earworm dammit!) Over the course of the series, Charlie's one consistent characteristic (other than the drug use) has been his need for recognition. It is the reason that he sings "You all everybody..." at the drop of a -- drop of sweat. And why he's always happy when he thinks that people recognize him from Driveshaft. When Kate was screaming for Jack while hiding from the Big Roaring Thing back in the first episode, he unnecessarily mentioned to Kate "You called Jack. My name is Charlie." His fear that he wasn't recognized as important in the group was what caused him to take that first hit. And that recognition was the key to his listening to Locke in the last episode. (BTW, if Locke was such a fan, why did he practically ignore Charlie when he was carving that dog whistle back in episode 3? Charlie sat by him, trying to make small talk and specifically mentioned music.) Recognition and appreciation are what give him the self-esteem and inner strength to finally kick his drug habit. I'm inclined to agree with Anne that the tunnel crawl and moth symbolism were predictable. But it still all came down to a choice and Charlie made a good one. So yay! The somewhat ominous thing: can he see himself as worthy without the acknowledgement and validation of others? To stand by his decisions when he knows he's right, despite their differing opinions? Work in progress, I think. And for some reason, I think Claire and her baby might have a part in his further development. IIRC, she is one of the few people he did not try to relate to through his Driveshaft notoriety. He was just sweet and self-deprecating to her. Where was Claire, by the way? Was she with the cave group or the beach group? I don't recall seeing her in either place. Linda, oh, well, back to real life. P.S. Hawaii still pretty. What? You think I'd neglect to say that? ;D Yeppers to the Charlie thoughts! And thanks for reminding me about Locke's earlier indifference to him. We still need to keep an eye on Locke. Lola **goes away humming . . . . self esteem is for everybody . . . . la la la**
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Post by Lola m on Nov 5, 2004 8:34:40 GMT -5
It was not a pig farm! And jeez, Rob, I have heard of pissing contests, but now you are trying to outdo me with tales of how your cock chicken was so revered that it went up for bid? Sad...sooo sad! Vlad ps. And to stay on topic...errr... do you think any of the survivors are Jewish or Muslim? And if so, how do they feel about eating boar? V. **snicker, snicker** Um. On topic. Yeah. What about all that boar? What if some people have a problem with it? Oh, and . . . um, trichinosis! Yeah, could be problems there. Lola
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 5, 2004 8:35:55 GMT -5
Ahh, a story you want? A tale of adventure in a land of exotic wonders? *pours himself a cognac and offers the same to his guest* Come sit here beside the fire and see if I can't rustle up my memories... *Lights a pipe and takes a few contemplative puffs from it* Let us see...I believe it was the winter of '84 or perhaps '83 and I was undertaking a safari in the subprovince of Ocali, located in the Timucua region. While our expedition was traveling by boat down the Rio del Plata, examining the fine examples of flora that lushly covered the surrounding landscape, we meandered a bit too close to shore, enraging a sounder of vicious boars. They came crashing down the banks of the slowly moving river, threatening our safety. As we watched with no small amount of trepidation, our guide told us how truly tenacious these beasts were and quickly he steered our riverboat away from the shore. Indeed, the porcine contingent trampled right down the banks, letting out with the most hellacious squalls and grunts and screams. Into the river they went, their squat legs moving them surprisingly swift in the water. Of course, they were no match for our modern propelled craft, but it didn't take much effort to visualize what a truly fearsome opponent they would have been for a man or two, paddling in something as simple as a canoe, that strayed too far into their domain. Indeed, they pursued our retreating boat for a good 20-30 yards before breaking off and returning to their patch of jungle. *Finishes his libation, and looks deeply into the fire, visions of the past casting a bit of a haunted look to his eye.* Aye, it was an interesting journey, that one. As I recall, that was the same excursion that I survived being attacked by an aligator by nothing more than a thin strip of leather... but that's another tale for another time. I must return to my more scholarly pursuits. And, of course, return this thread to it's proper course, that being discussion of LOST. Goodnight. Vlad Uh - do you have anything less Heart-of-Darknessy?
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Post by Lola m on Nov 5, 2004 8:37:42 GMT -5
Okay for the last time: It wasn't a pig farm, nor was it Disney world or land or Euro for that matter. These were not pigs or hogs or robotronic automatons. Tehy were real live vicious boars. And it was ... errr... Silver Springs on the glass bottomed boats. The subprovince of Ocali, located in the Timucua region is what the Spaniards and indians called it back in the 1500's. And Rio del Plata is "Silver River." There! Happy? Next you can start calling me the Colonel. And no, that has nothing to do with Rob's chicken references! Sheesh! Vlad ps. And with an even further effort to stay on topic... ummm... Did anyone notice how Walt seemed to be looking at his dad a teensy bit differently when Michael jumped in to take charge at the cave-in? V. **snicker, snortle, snicker** Jumps back into actual discussion mode. Yes! I think Walt definitely saw his father as an actual real responsible adult there. Saw him as someone who actually knew things and could do things and be a leader, etc. Not just as "dad" and not just as "dad I don't really know and maybe don't like and am stuck with on this island". I think he gained some respect for him. Lola
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Post by Lola m on Nov 5, 2004 8:39:33 GMT -5
So, are you saying that it's Jasmine who's hiding in the jungle? Eeeep! OK. Now I'm really scared! ;D ;D Lola Maybe it's just Glory! Then at least they'd have another doctor if Jack gets buried in another cave.
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2004 8:40:28 GMT -5
Over the course of the series, Charlie's one consistent characteristic (other than the drug use) has been his need for recognition. It is the reason that he sings "You all everybody..." Linda, oh, well, back to real life. P.S. Hawaii still pretty. What? You think I'd neglect to say that? ;D Well, if you *had* forgotten to say it, I would've said it for you. Hawaii very pretty. *sigh* And I'm sorry RL is funnelcaking you, Linda. *hug* A couple of weeks ago, I read something about that song that Driveshaft sang. It was intentionally incorporated into the episode. Charlie is definitely still working out his issues with wanting to be validated. On the island, he seems to seek that validation the most from the people he looks up to as leaders. Jack, Kate, Locke. His rescue of Jack has got to have bolstered his self-esteem. I didn't notice if he was bothered by Kate's obvious relief that Jack was alive, while she basically ignored Charlie's feat of rescue. Hopefully, that means that he does think better of himself and won't look for so much validation from others in the future. I didn't think of "Smile Time", but thanks for mentioning it. Linda. I love to revisit Angel episodes, even tho it makes me sad to think there won't be any more of them..
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Post by SpringSummers on Nov 5, 2004 8:45:16 GMT -5
Hi All! I am slinking over to this thread because I haven’t caught up with the main thread yet. Bad me! RL has been full of funnelcakes of late -- and not in a good way. Too much to do and not enough time. I wanted to go on record to say that Spring's EEEEEVVUUUULLLLL prescience scares me. When Locke told Charlie that he made excellent bait, the following quote from last week came to mind: Spring said: Cue spooky music. Why don't you just come right out and say it? You think I brained Sayid, don't you? Though yep - Locke's use of Charlie as bait . . . we continue to get the black-and-white messages on Locke, and about the island. LOL! Perfect. Great observations - had not thought of it this way, but agree wholeheartedly. No. Sorry. Shannon is the girl for Charlie. Hawaii still pretty? How nice (for you) Spike still pretty also.
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Post by Karen on Nov 5, 2004 8:47:11 GMT -5
Okay for the last time: It wasn't a pig farm, nor was it Disney world or land or Euro for that matter. These were not pigs or hogs or robotronic automatons. Tehy were real live vicious boars. And it was ... errr... Silver Springs on the glass bottomed boats. The subprovince of Ocali, located in the Timucua region is what the Spaniards and indians called it back in the 1500's. And Rio del Plata is "Silver River." There! Happy? Next you can start calling me the Colonel. And no, that has nothing to do with Rob's chicken references! Sheesh! Vlad ps. And with an even further effort to stay on topic... ummm... Did anyone notice how Walt seemed to be looking at his dad a teensy bit differently when Michael jumped in to take charge at the cave-in? V. Walt definitely looked at his father with more respect, Colonel. Do you think they'll end up staying at the cave? Walt wants to, but Michael knows it's not a good idea to be around Sun. So those little piggies really went in the water after you? I've been on that glassbottom boat in Silver Springs, too, but didn't get to see the razorbacks. Man, that was almost 30 years ago.
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